Francesco Totti outdoes himself (again)

Jivin Turkey

Anyone see his "tackle" on Carsten Ramelow. Absolute disgrace. He jumped over Ramelow coming in sliding, looked down, and stood as hard as he could with both feet on his chest. ****ing knacker, overrated piece of ****.

cournioni

Nothing new there, he's total scumbag. What more can be said?

super_furry

He truly is scum playing for a scummy team. A five match ban should be in order.

jesus_thats_gre

5 match? Its happened too many times now!!! Considering the antics of Roma's fans recently, the club and him should be made an example of.

impr0v

I didn't see the tackle, but it's a shame that an occasionally brilliant player repeatedly resorts to such behaviour. I'd imagine Roma will be seeking to forget that this particular cl campaign even took place.

cournioni

Tackle isn't really the appropriate word to use for that incident last night.

Chong

Has anyone started to notice that Italian players are no longer producing the players they had in the past , the likes of Daniel Massaro, Baggio, Del Piero and such like. The league is awful no one even cares anymore, corruption , virtually no attendance and crowd trouble. This was the place the big players always wanted to play, this no longer case the players want the Spanish league or possibly the best league in Europe The Premiership.

talla

The premiership is not the best league in Europe!

Chong

talla wrote:

The premiership is not the best league in Europe!

Without a shadow of doubt it is, its well run, performances are outstanding and the game as whole is of a better standard than the Italian league, the Bundesliga or the french league. The only other contender is the spanish league where they have no idea how to defend.

talla

I'll let others take this argument up, as a mod i'lll regret saying something here!

KdjaCL

Anyone see Adrianos punch

6 game ban there too.

kdjac

cournioni

Willem D wrote:

Without a shadow of doubt it is, its well run, performances are outstanding and the game as whole is of a better standard than the Italian league, the Bundesliga or the french league. The only other contender is the spanish league where they have no idea how to defend.

The Premiership is entertaining, and it has some very good players. But it is not the best league in the world. It lacks defensive discipline and attacking discipline.

Are you saying that Valencia, Deportivo, and Barcelona can't defend any better that United, Arsenal and Chelsea?!

La Liga is the best league in the world.

Chong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

The Premiership is entertaining, and it has some very good players. But it is not the best league in the world. It lacks defensive discipline and attacking discipline.

Are you saying that Valencia, Deportivo, and Barcelona can't defend any better that United, Arsenal and Chelsea?!

La Liga is the best league in the world.

I never said it was the best in the world.

MrJoeSoap

Totti = Dirtiest, most over-rated piece of scum the footballing world has ever known.

Adriano's punch was really bad too, although he was hit first. Did anyone see Montella's dive? I reckon that should be a straight red-card, as well as a nice suspension. Its cheating, pure and simple, and a red-card would (hopefully) stomp it out of the game.

PS - Premiership IS the best league in Europe at the moment.

Italy is full of cowards and cheats, Spain only has Barcelona as a decent advert for it.
No other country comes close really.

KdjaCL

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Spain only has Barcelona as a decent advert for it.

:eek:

Yah watching Real with a few hasbeens up front raping other teams whilst incapable of defending is a bit crap to watch. I mean games with 30 shots on target are very boring.


Spanish football is the best to watch and judging by perf in CL , they the best clubs in europe.

kdjac

uberwolf

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Tackle isn't really the appropriate word to use for that incident last night.

I didn't see the match, was it picked up by the ref? hope so, hate this sh*t

therecklessone

Willem D wrote:

I never said it was the best in the world.

Pedant.

La Liga is the best in the world, and in Europe.

The Premiership has exciting matches all right, but don't let Sky Sports fool you into believing that Liverpool/Newcastle = average Premiership match. The league is littered with overpaid journeymen who can neither defend nor pass a ball.

When the lack of basic skills are so glaringly obvious, it amazes me to hear people talk of the league is such glowing terms.

MrJoeSoap

KdjaC wrote:

:eek:

Yah watching Real with a few hasbeens up front raping other teams whilst incapable of defending is a bit crap to watch. I mean games with 30 shots on target are very boring.


Spanish football is the best to watch and judging by perf in CL , they the best clubs in europe.

kdjac

I guess its just a matter of opinion then.

eirebhoy

Willem D wrote:

where they have no idea how to defend.

Real represent every Spanish team? Judging by the UEFA coefficients your claim of bad defending doesn't seem to matter much.


1 Real Madrid 146.351
2 Valencia 139.351
3 FC Barcelona 134.351
4 Manchester United 119.510
5 Bayern München 105.331
6 Deportivo La Coruña 104.351

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2004.html

mr_angry

Anyone who watches La Liga regularly will know that the quality of football, both offensive and defensive is far better than the Premiership. Looking at lower-mid-table teams like Espanyol, Malaga, Mallorca, and Valladolid... they would easily beat comparable teams in the Premiership. Even Celta Vigo, who were relegated from La Liga last season made it to the Champions League second round!

Makaveli

Willem D wrote:

The only other contender is the spanish league where they have no idea how to defend.

Have you ever watched Spanish football?
Or is it just the odd time you catch a Real Madrid CL game?

WhiteWashMan

Makaveli wrote:

Have you ever watched Spanish football?
Or is it just the odd time you catch a Real Madrid CL game?

neither for nor against la liga against the premiership, however...

do you not think that the quality of everything should be outstanding in the worlds premier club competition, regardless of who is playing who?

one would assume the level of defending and attacking would be lower in the clubs home league (since the majority didnt make it to CL status)

although, with the exception of the last 3 games, spurs could easily claim to be the best defense in the premier league...

Makaveli

Fair point, but it's well known Real Madrid have a poor defense. The fact that they are an elite European club is down to the fact they have invested heavily in attacking players.
So, they score plenty of goals while conceeding alot too. Granted they've not shown much goal scoring form so far this season.

Real Madrid therefore, imo, can be not be used as a reasonable gauge of the defensive abilities of teams in La Liga. Other than Valencia's howler at home to Inter Milan their defense has been consisent in Europe and in Spain, the same can be said for Barcelona, Deportivo are going through a bad spell at the moment, which is being reflected both domestically and in Europe.

WhiteWashMan

its teams that win games, not just defenses.

i think teams should be the overall qualities of all their facets.

Real havent got the best defense in the world, but didnt stop them from winning a lot (alright, not in the last 2-3 seasons )

Makaveli

I know that, my point was that Willem D seems to think Spanish teams can't defend.

wynters

I'd much prefer to watch Premiership football than La Liga.

Continental football tends to be much more strategic than the Premiership. Games tend to get bogged down in midfield, whereas it's much more end to end stuff in the Premiership, which makes for more entertaining viewing.....

The average player in La Liga may be technically superior, but attributes such as work rate and honesty more than compensate for that in the Premiership.

If there's one thing I despise it's moody footballers. Players who get paid thousands a week, and just moan all game long without putting in the effort. Continental football is full of players like that wheras players who don't pull their weight in the Premiership just aren't tolerated.

Guy:Incognito

wynters wrote:

I'd much prefer to watch Premiership football than La Liga.

Continental football tends to be much more strategic than the Premiership. Games tend to get bogged down in midfield, whereas it's much more end to end stuff in the Premiership, which makes for more entertaining viewing.....

The average player in La Liga may be technically superior, but attributes such as work rate and honesty more than compensate for that in the Premiership.
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So basically what your saying is the premiership is for athletes (long distance runners ) and la liga is for footballers? I for one would prefer to watch football.

Theres only one way of judgeing which league is better and thats european football. So with the exception of Utd winning the CL once, with a lot of luck, an English team hasnt won the european cup since Liverpool twenty years ago. Liverpool winning the Uefa cup and Arsenal and Utd winning the Cup winners cup pretty much takes care of Englands European winners for the last 15 years, hardly amazing.



**EDIT** Nearly forgot, Totti deserves a hefty ban **EDIT**

Big Ears

The Spanish league is of superior ability to that of the Premiership , although which is more exciting is a matter of opinion .

Oh and that scumbag Totti should of had a life ban from the game by now .

Seaneh

First off, Totti has some dodgey moments as far as dicisipline is concerned, but as far as ability goes, he is an amazing player, easily one of the best in the world, it's not a fluke that Real, Milan, Juve and Barce all want to sign him.

As for what league is best?
The fact that you lot think the Prem is the best league in europe is a joke, stop reading the star and start watching football.

Spainish and Italian football is a lot better than english, Italy do still produce amazing players, thier current national squad is studded with some of the best players in the world, the italian League has more world class players than the permiership, and easily has more world class defenders than spain and england combined.

Milan, Juve and Inter are all as good if not better than any clubs in europe, only Barce in spain could compete with them.

The Milan vs. inter match a few weeks ago was by far the best game in ANY competition in the world so far this year, and that finished 0-0, goals dont make games, football can be great to watch with low scoring games.
it's as if english soccer fans are becoming like american sports fans if its not high scoring it's boring.

JackKelly

totti's skill doesnt really come in to it though. It doesnt matter how great a player is, he cant go on like that. Should be banned for 5.

As for leagues, i would tend to agree that the spanish league is certainly the best in europe.Premiership is great but its to convervative. Although that seems to be changing with all the new players coming in

Jivin Turkey

I dont understand how people can think Totti is an amazing player. Yes technically he is very good, and OCASSIONALLY he shows brilliance, but look at his strike rate for Italy, its something like 5 in 50!!!

He doesnt score enough goals, has promised to do so much for so long while delivering very little. A totaly bluffer, and a total scumbag.

pickarooney

He's not striker though, any more than Zidane (whose goalscoring record is so-so) is.
What he is though, is a prick.

Waylander

I have always thought Totti is very over rated. I have not seen that tackle but you have got me kind of curious. Might have to endure some Eurosport tonight! As for leagues, to my mind Spain is some way ahead of the Premiership, which in turn is of a slightly higher quality than Serie A.

puntosporting

You cant compare the different national football leagues with each other,its all personal opinion in reality!
Yes you can look at champions league wins or uefa cups but i dont think this gives a fair reflection on anything to be honest!
Look at the international teams for example,the french league does not seem to be of any great standard but look at the french national sides for the last 10 years!
Greece won the last european cup for christ sake!
FC Porto won the champions league last year and the uefa cup the year before that but no one has mentione the portogese league in earlier posts!
And to be honest i dont go for this old argument that the "continental players are technicaly more gifted " Bullcrap ,ill never understand that one,liverpool where kings of europe for years with so called lesser skilled players????

Jivin Turkey

puntosporting wrote:

And to be honest i dont go for this old argument that the "continental players are technicaly more gifted " Bullcrap ,ill never understand that one,liverpool where kings of europe for years with so called lesser skilled players????

But the difference was, Liverpool dominated Europe, then all English teams got banned for 6 years, and all really lost touch with the European standard, as the game developed greatly from the period 86-92. Hence they were before, but arent now.

For people who havnt yet seen the "tackle"

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/images/playerpics04_05/football/live/totti-stamp.jpg

Makaveli

puntosporting wrote:

Look at the international teams for example,the french league does not seem to be of any great standard but look at the french national sides for the last 10 years!

Look at how many of those players played in France.

puntosporting

They all played in france for part of their professional career,also most of the greek team play in greece...

Makaveli

Right I probably should have said, look how many were playing in France at the time.

eirebhoy

puntosporting wrote:

also most of the greek team play in greece...

I think you can judge a league by how the teams in that league do in Europe over a certain amount of years and Spain rules in that respect. You can't judge a league by its national team though, who brought that one up?

Big Ears

The Greek league is about the 7th or 8th best in Europe , and its been greek club sides doing well in football and the nationel side doing crap for god knows how long , Greece aren't going to qualify for the World Cup anyway , and the quality performances they showed over the summer will not be reproduced by that team .

puntosporting

Greece still won a major international tournament,when was the last time spain or italy won anything?
Its easy to say ya i think england is the best league ,or someone else to say no its the italian league bottom line is its all opinion!
Im trying to break down the standard of football per nationality!
Its pointless arguing the leagues themselves as they are all multinational but which country actualy produces the greatest talent in europe?
I honestly believe that in the last 10 years the french have produced the best players,with spanish in second followed by the english and then the dutch!
The only reason the spanish,english and italian leagues are the best leagues is because of the money in these countrys football leagues(italy is begining to feel the pinch lately) and i do give credit where credit is due the leagues have built up there football themselves to the levels they are at with massive footballing empires such as man u,real madrid,barca,chelsea,ac milan,juve etc etc etc.

cournioni

If England is the best league how come it has only won 2 European trophies, one Champions League and one UEFA Cup (not including the Super cup) in the last ten years? Who is to say that it is any better than the Bundesliga? The Bundesliga has had more European success in the last ten years than the Premiership (2 Champions Leagues, and maybe more).

The Premiership is best for entertainment. Not the best for football.