which browser do you use?

aidan_walsh

Mozilla

dmeehan wrote:

what are mouse gestures?

Already answered, twice.

tuxy

Mozilla

dmeehan wrote:

what are mouse gestures?

rofl
bard do you have anymore anger to vent?

OfflerCrocGod

Mozilla

Kaimera wrote:

IE6 by choice.

You are mad.

tuxy

Mozilla

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

You are mad.

now now
lets have none of that my browser is better than yours crap
let the poll decide

Winters

Mozilla

Firefox ... but of course.
Running the following extenions though:
All-In-One Guestures - Sexy mouse guesters for firefox
BBCode - Makes putting BB code on forums easy with a single right click
Weatherfox - Dont need to turn my head to look out the window no more

The All-In-One guestures are the best ones i've found for Firefox..

IE i only use if I have too, there are those few websites that were designed by someone who doesnt like standards and so only works in IE.

tuxy

Mozilla

very nice extensions winters i just installed them

Bri

Mozilla

Firefox...I reckon the people who use it are the one's arsed voting though...

Cabaal

Mozilla

Mozilla @ Home
Firefox @ Work

Peteee

Firefox

sorry firefox dosent do it for me either.

tabbed browsing.... whoopdeedooo. is there much difference between this and opening up a new IE window and having it on the taskbar??

dont like all this microsoft hating, am i the only one who prefers to have 1 main OS???

i think hte world should have 6 OS's for a week, 20% market share each, then you'd all be crying for microsoft again

just my 2 cents... and before you bash me, ive tried firefox (and mozilla in college, and on my linux installation) and just found it to be....... meh

zotteken

Firefox

I didn't try any other browser than IE yet. I have been on the point to downloading Firefox, but i did come back from that decision because i didn't really know what consequenses installing a 2nd browser has on your system.

Cheers
Zotteken

aidan_walsh

Mozilla

There are none. You'll be able to use one or other.

Capt'n Midnight

Mozilla

http://update.mozilla.org/extensions - sites a bit slow today for some strange reason
Adblock - great for removing logos and sigs that take up so much screen area and it removes ads too
SwitchProxy tool - handy if you have to toggle proxies
Windowsupdate - (only opens an ie window but hey..)
BBCode - should have several colours on the main menu
Gcache

Firesomething
And of course Homeland Security Threat Level :rolleyes:



winters..
http://forecastfox.mozdev.org/ - Due to copyright issues with the name Weatherfox, we have changed out name to ForecastFox. A "ForecastFox" version will be released shortly!

OfflerCrocGod

Mozilla

tuxy wrote:

now now
lets have none of that my browser is better than yours crap
let the poll decide

It has. Firefox is miles ahead. QED: He's mad.

Winters wrote:

Weatherfox - Dont need to turn my head to look out the window no more

Yes, turning your head can be very stressful

Peteee wrote:

sorry firefox dosent do it for me either.

This single statement makes you mad.

Peteee wrote:

Waffle.Waffle.And Waffle

But the rest of your post is very scary :eek: Especially this:

Peteee wrote:

6 OS's for a week, 20% market share each

If you say so.

tuxy

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

sorry firefox dosent do it for me either.

tabbed browsing.... whoopdeedooo. is there much difference between this and opening up a new IE window and having it on the taskbar??

what did you think of its extensions and having less vulnerabilities?

dont like all this microsoft hating, am i the only one who prefers to have 1 main OS???

now your just talking giberish who mentioned anything about operating systems? im sure most people on this thread use windows

this thread is about what browser you use
some people want a browser that they think has more features and is more secure , whats wrong with that?
but if people happen to like IE more thats fine but just take a look at the results of the poll

tuxy

Mozilla

oh just out of interest for the pople that voted other
what do you use?
konqueror or some other browser for *nix?

aidan_walsh

Mozilla

Or Firefox, even, like myself

tuxy

Mozilla

doodle_sketch wrote:

Or Firefox, even, like myself

ya but then they would have voted for firefox

Winters

Mozilla

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Yes, turning your head can be very stressful

I run 3 monitors [usually have about 30+ tabs open across about 3 or 4 windows when working away] and I have to turn my head left and right to see all the screens. But, just having to turn my head that extra bit to see out the window behind me [and to my left] is far to stressful...
Anyone using multiple monitors should take a look at this program: Ultramon

Peteee wrote:

tabbed browsing.... whoopdeedooo. is there much difference between this and opening up a new IE window and having it on the taskbar??

As i said above, try 30+ internet explorer windows open ... /me shudders.

Peteee

Firefox

dammnit, i did say 6 OS's didnt i!

who has 30 browser windows open??? 3 or 4 max

vunerabilities, couldnt care less tbh

extensions i havnt tried them out, will do soon if i download firefox again.

The OS analogy was to show taht sometimes too many competitors arnt good (try buying a memory card for a digital camera, CF, memory stick, XD card etc)

its good to at least have a standard

tuxy

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

dammnit, i did say 6 OS's didnt i!




who has 30 browser windows open??? 3 or 4 max

when im browsing boards i often have 10 windows open
maybe you would'nt use it but for alot of people tabbed browsing changes the way they surf

Peteee wrote:

The OS analogy was to show taht sometimes too many competitors arnt good (try buying a memory card for a digital camera, CF, memory stick, XD card etc)

its good to at least have a standard

your confusing compatibility with competition

in your example compatibility is good which i agree with
this is where there can sometimes be problems with browsers
microsoft frontpage tends to use some stuff that is not compatibale with normal html coding standards
this is why some sites will only work in IE
so if microsoft stuck to the normal standards there would be no problem

but competition is very good also
compention drives things forward as the differnt sides try to outdo each other
its only recently that microsoft have been making efforts to improve their browser after not realy doing much with it for ages
of course this is because of the increased features and hence popularity of other browers

Peteee wrote:

vunerabilities, couldnt care less tbh

so spyware running in the background sending companies info about your browsing habits ,making adverts popup,taking up pc resorces and bandwidth dosnt bother you?

Slutmonkey57b

Safari

Have to say I don't get all the fanfare over Firefox either. Everyone who's so impressed with tabbed browsing is a little late to the party - bloated old Netscrape has had it for years.

Does less than either Netsape or Opera and has a lot of rabid teenage fanboys rabbiting on over it - one to avoid for me.

Winters

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

who has 30 browser windows open??? 3 or 4 max

My point exactly. I have 30+ websites/web pages open but only 3 or 4 windows open thanks to firefox and tabbed browsing. Seriously, if working away on the web im running at least a minimum of 30 tabs.

Peteee wrote:

vunerabilities, couldnt care less tbh

I can see your post on the Windows board within the coming monts giving out about how "windows is running slow" or "i keep getting these popups/adverts from nowhere" or even "i have loads of viri and hack0rs on my computer, how do I remove them".

Peteee wrote:

its good to at least have a standard

I think tuxy pointed this out very well above. You cannot limit people to One Operating System. Differant operating systems work better at differant things. Linux makes a better server enviroment and is also cheaper. Mac are perfect for video editing etc. and Windows is ..... well, erm... used by many...

And on standards.... I know, standards are great, the W3C set them out and everyone but Microsoft seem to follow them. Hats off to Internet Explorer the developers worst nightmare!

jessy

Safari

More people are starting to see that there are better and safer browsers than IE, I’ve been using opera for a few years now and think it’s the best thing since they legalized prostitution in Holland.
Firefox is not too bad either but Opera is more stable, faster and gets my vote by a long way.

tuxy

Mozilla

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Does less than either Netsape or Opera and has a lot of rabid teenage fanboys rabbiting on over it - one to avoid for me.

i think opera is good but
how can you say for sure it does less then firefox unless you have read up on all firefoxs extensions
there are so many i doubt that you have

kaimera

Firefox

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

You are mad.

irrelevent to the thread.

like i said, I have used others [firefox, opera] but I always end up back at IE.

btw, is it just my settings, or is the text on boards very small by default in firefox?

Peteee

Firefox

Winters wrote:

My point exactly. I have 30+ websites/web pages open but only 3 or 4 windows open thanks to firefox and tabbed browsing. Seriously, if working away on the web im running at least a minimum of 30 tabs.


I can see your post on the Windows board within the coming monts giving out about how "windows is running slow" or "i keep getting these popups/adverts from nowhere" or even "i have loads of viri and hack0rs on my computer, how do I remove them".



I think tuxy pointed this out very well above. You cannot limit people to One Operating System. Differant operating systems work better at differant things. Linux makes a better server enviroment and is also cheaper. Mac are perfect for video editing etc. and Windows is ..... well, erm... used by many...

And on standards.... I know, standards are great, the W3C set them out and everyone but Microsoft seem to follow them. Hats off to Internet Explorer the developers worst nightmare!

As i said, i rarely have 4 or 5 'browsers' open (and when i use mozilla in linux this rarely changes)

i can run adaware or something.

why would somebody want to haxxor my machine?? My source code for my projects isnt that good?

I know how to keep my machine running well, even if i am using IE6. Am doing computer systems in UL, i know what i'm talking about. I choose to use IE6 because firefox dosent offer anything that i want or need? i'll download it (again) tonight and check it out, along with some extensions

maybe my analogies arnt too good, but id rather code for one browser (90%+) nad have it work with that, then have to code for 3 or 4 browsers. and having bloated code so that my website looks ok on all the different browsers.

i'd say a lot of web developers are ursing the relative' popularity of firefox, because they might need new code or something

tuxy

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

maybe my analogies arnt too good, but id rather code for one browser (90%+) nad have it work with that, then have to code for 3 or 4 browsers. and having bloated code so that my website looks ok on all the different browsers.

i'd say a lot of web developers are ursing the relative' popularity of firefox, because they might need new code or something

but that wouldnt be a problem if microsoft used W3C standards like everyone else

Capt'n Midnight

Mozilla

jessy

Safari

Peteee wrote:

maybe my analogies arnt too good, but id rather code for one browser (90%+) nad have it work with that, then have to code for 3 or 4 browsers. and having bloated code so that my website looks ok on all the different browsers.

Unfortunately I tend to agree with this, but there is a revolution taking place and in the next few years(10+) I think Linux will be brought much more into play for home users possibly even 50-50 and getting WebPages to work on different browsers will be the standard thing to do (so its good practice to do it now).

SuSE is getting very close to windows and has great hardware support, so in 10year there will be no difference in usability and connectivity between SuSE and windows in my opinion.

OfflerCrocGod

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

The OS analogy was to show taht sometimes too many competitors arnt good (try buying a memory card for a digital camera, CF, memory stick, XD card etc)

its good to at least have a standard

Couldn't agree more! Standards are very important and should always be adhered to. Standards just make sense and should always be used

Peteee wrote:

maybe my analogies arnt too good, but id rather code for one browser (90%+) nad have it work with that, then have to code for 3 or 4 browsers. and having bloated code so that my website looks ok on all the different browsers.

Talk and Walk.........

Peteee

Firefox

walk and talk... what does that mean


i agree that competition is good (nvidia VS ati anyone) its just that firefox isnt a revolution over IE6

just as linux dosent really do anything that windows dosent do (im gonna be mauled for that one) why dosent linux innovate, why is it using a taskbar (like windows) why does it run far slower then windows, why dosent it have a 3D desktop (which longhorn has recently dropped) why dosent it have a better file system (maybe it does im not sure, i sure as hell cant find a difference)

again why dosent it innovate??

as for browsers, i dont know what firefox should do differently from IE6, but browsing has basically been the same for nigh on 10 years?? it needs to do something SUBSTANTIALLY different for me to change, not just merely be better

jessy

Safari

Peteee wrote:

walk and talk... what does that mean


i agree that competition is good (nvidia VS ati anyone) its just that firefox isnt a revolution over IE6

just as linux dosent really do anything that windows dosent do (im gonna be mauled for that one) why dosent linux innovate, why is it using a taskbar (like windows) why does it run far slower then windows, why dosent it have a 3D desktop (which longhorn has recently dropped) why dosent it have a better file system (maybe it does im not sure, i sure as hell cant find a difference)

again why dosent it innovate??

as for browsers, i dont know what firefox should do differently from IE6, but browsing has basically been the same for nigh on 10 years?? it needs to do something SUBSTANTIALLY different for me to change, not just merely be better

Those are fighting words mate. Difference is Linux is free Windows is not. M$ just steal other people's ideas. Apple now theirs an innovative company.

tuxy

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

just as linux ......

it needs to do something SUBSTANTIALLY different for me to change, not just merely be better

again this thread has nothing to do with operating systems you seem to want to talk about them so maybe you should start a thread on them

and now you say firefox is better but you wont use it because it dosnt do amazing thinngs (like make you coffee or give you a back massage?)

0_o

tuxy

Mozilla

Kaimera wrote:

btw, is it just my settings, or is the text on boards very small by default in firefox?

its just you for me the text is the same size

Capt'n Midnight

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

i agree that competition is good (nvidia VS ati anyone) its just that firefox isnt a revolution over IE6

just as linux dosent really do anything that windows dosent do (im gonna be mauled for that one) why dosent linux innovate, why is it using a taskbar (like windows) why does it run far slower then windows, why dosent it have a 3D desktop (which longhorn has recently dropped) why dosent it have a better file system (maybe it does im not sure, i sure as hell cant find a difference)

again why dosent it innovate??

as for browsers, i dont know what firefox should do differently from IE6, but browsing has basically been the same for nigh on 10 years?? it needs to do something SUBSTANTIALLY different for me to change, not just merely be better

I think you are mistaking the GUI with the OS. X is not the only thing you can do with Linux.
Linux can get by without any GUI or you can have loads of GUI's all running in their own memory space with different users on each one. Windows Terminal Services doesn't even allow you to copy files to the client.. When it comes to remote boot or clustering there is no comparison.

Also microsoft copied almost every windows "innovation" from someone else apple / amiga / xerox etc. / os2 - click help about in IE - it still says mosaic

slower at what exactly ??? - It takes less time for a bootable knoppix CD with the 2.6 kernal to detect and install drivers for my hardware, than it takes to for XP to fullly load - don't forget that even though you see the desktop XP is still loading... Oh and you aren't allowed to publish .NET benchmarks without prior written consent form M$ so you aren't likely to hear how slow/fast it is.

Better files system - please explain that one.. and you aren't allowed to refer to third party puchased add-ons for defrag or recover or cloning of NTFS in your answer.

Different - how ??? (obviously tab's/adblocking/security don't do it for you - what do you want.)

Note: in fairness FireFox on linux was a bit ropey last time I tried.
And M$ don't do new versions of IE for the MAC or PowerPC or Alpha etc. any more. I deify you to find a popular affordable resonably powerful platform that some form of linux can't run on.

pickarooney

Safari

Peteee wrote:

walk and talk... what does that mean

i agree that competition is good (nvidia VS ati anyone) its just that firefox isnt a revolution over IE6

just as linux dosent really do anything that windows dosent do (im gonna be mauled for that one) why dosent linux innovate, why is it using a taskbar (like windows) why does it run far slower then windows, why dosent it have a 3D desktop (which longhorn has recently dropped) why dosent it have a better file system (maybe it does im not sure, i sure as hell cant find a difference)

again why dosent it innovate??

as for browsers, i dont know what firefox should do differently from IE6, but browsing has basically been the same for nigh on 10 years?? it needs to do something SUBSTANTIALLY different for me to change, not just merely be better

Taskbar is an optional part of whatever window manager you use. Taskbars, start menus etc. have been around since at least the era of NexT systems, several years before windows 95.

EXT3 filesystem doesn't need to be degramented, unlike fat32/ntfs.

3d desktop - here if you like that kind of thing.

Linux does invariably run slower than windows out of the box, but invaraibly runs faster when set up properly. Horses for courses.

There are plenty of innovations, and more importatly the possibility for innovative people to realise them, in an open-source environment.

As for coders who hate writing for different browsers, there's really no need. Just write one, standard-compliant version.

That said, you're not far off the truth when you say there's nothing linux can do that windows can't do, or the reverse. I can't say there's anything I really miss from Windows on Linux and vice-versa. It's different for people with more specialist interests though. I doubt gaming is a lot of fun on linux, but that's not my bag.
OSes all based on the same original idea (note: not Windows/DOS). Inovation comes when there's a need for it, and whichever platform its developed for first, it's sure not to be long coming for all the others.

P.S. Mounting a floppy is a whore? I just stick it in, listen to it churn and then read from it. What do you do?

Winters

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

firefox isnt a revolution over IE6

IE6 is destroying the browser market by now being innovative or bringing something new. It refuses to change its browser for the future and would rather stick with its buggy security risky non-standard self. Firefox offers many new additions to people such as tabbed browsing, live bookmarks, built in popup blocker, built in search bar for websites/engines etc. and more. IE6 does not offer tabbed browsing in this version or the next version in Longhorn [ive used it], it does not do Live bookmarks, it IS a security risk etc.

I think the revloution is trying to change people's minds to show there are more software companies then microsoft microsoft in the browser market. And all of those are pretty much better and follow the set out standards.

Also 10 years ago the web was mainly text based. Now thanks to faster connections the web is its bright and pretty self. So no more text porn, you get actual images and movies now. I think the differances are easy to see for themselves.

OfflerCrocGod

Mozilla

Peteee wrote:

walk and talk... what does that mean

You Talk the Talk, but you don't Walk the Walk. You argue for standards and yet you code for IE.

Winters wrote:

So no more text porn, you get actual images and movies now. I think the differances are easy to see for themselves.

They ARE!

Agent Smith

i use firefox.... not because its a better browser ( it is )
but everyone knows all the sexy people use Firefox

Syth

Mozilla

I use Firefox, I never foudn tab browsing all that fantastic. What I love is the ability to give keywords to bookmarks. And QuickSearches. If I type "g something" into the address bar, I get taken to the result of a google search of something. If I type "w Ireland" I get taken to the Wikipedia article on Ireland. If I type "ljc mozilla" I get taken to the LiveJournal Mozilla community. If I type "b" I get taken to boards. I love that functionality.

Standard Toaster

Mozilla

I don't know where I'd be without the middle click feature to open a page in a new tab.

Peteee

Firefox

pickarooney wrote:

Taskbar is an optional part of whatever window manager you use. Taskbars, start menus etc. have been around since at least the era of NexT systems, several years before windows 95.

EXT3 filesystem doesn't need to be degramented, unlike fat32/ntfs.

3d desktop - here if you like that kind of thing.

Linux does invariably run slower than windows out of the box, but invaraibly runs faster when set up properly. Horses for courses.

There are plenty of innovations, and more importatly the possibility for innovative people to realise them, in an open-source environment.

As for coders who hate writing for different browsers, there's really no need. Just write one, standard-compliant version.

That said, you're not far off the truth when you say there's nothing linux can do that windows can't do, or the reverse. I can't say there's anything I really miss from Windows on Linux and vice-versa. It's different for people with more specialist interests though. I doubt gaming is a lot of fun on linux, but that's not my bag.
OSes all based on the same original idea (note: not Windows/DOS). Inovation comes when there's a need for it, and whichever platform its developed for first, it's sure not to be long coming for all the others.

P.S. Mounting a floppy is a whore? I just stick it in, listen to it churn and then read from it. What do you do?

im saying that why should linux have a start menu just like windows (or whoever inveneted it, it probably wasnt microsoft) why dont they have something different???? what i have no idea......

fair enough, i didnt know that EXT3 didnt need to be defragmented, and that is indeed a massive boost

3d desktop, fair enough (and i have seen something like that for windows) but why isnt it included as an install option in fedora or something?

for most people they like things to be functional right out of the box, no tweaking or installing etc. i dont mind tweaking (i like it actaully) but 90%= of average users dont.

i like windows because it lets me play my games, and is compatiible with just about everything.

to the poster above, windows wasnt designed for 'remote booting' or 'clustering' its a home OS, and i think it does its job very well.

SP2 IE6 has pop up blocking btw, i had it anyway with the google toolbar


anyway the point i was trying to make between browsers and OS's is taht microsoft (IE6) and linux (firefox) are kinda the smae, one is a giant, proprietry, market share king, hasnt innovated in a while and the other is small, open source and has little market share.

to grab the market you have to be wildly innovative (which i dont think tabbed browsing is) which i just dont think firefox is at the moment.

its just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. i choose IE6

as for the mounting the floppy disc, its meant to be a USB key was a bit drunk when i typed it up

Sherifu

Firefox

Why has this thread descended into an os bitch fight.
Enough.

byte

Mozilla

I also use Firefox (v. 0.8)

It's great, especially after some time is spent customising it.

Slutmonkey57b

Safari

tuxy wrote:

i think opera is good but
how can you say for sure it does less then firefox unless you have read up on all firefoxs extensions
there are so many i doubt that you have

Exactly - you have to download a whole load of extensions to get the same functionality out of firefox. Opera comes with all those "funky features" out of the box. I don't need to read through a humongus list of 3rd-party extensions and install them seperately. Ergo - Opera is better. Firefox + Humongous list of 3rd-party unsupported extensions might be the same, but far too much effort.

I don't know where I'd be without the middle click feature to open a page in a new tab.

And QuickSearches. If I type "g something" into the address bar, I get taken to the result of a google search of something.

Again, OLD NEWS! Opera had all that years ago.

tuxy

Mozilla

i guess the main reason firefox is more popular than opera is that its open source and free

Slutmonkey57b

Safari

Opera isn't free? I must have been seeing things given that I've been using it for years - free. And you can use it on smartphones - free. Firefox is just a port of Mozilla, which is a port of Netscrape. I've nothing against it, I just really can't work out why people are so excited by it. It's old hat.

Standard Toaster

Mozilla

To get rid of the ads in Opera you have to purchase it. But if you can live with them, well it's 'free'. Too many bells and whistles in Opera the last time I used it. Keep it simple imho.

I've been using Firefox (used to be phoenix) for as long as I remember so maybe I'm biased.

Intersting linky here:

IE6 SP1 vs Firefox 1.0

tuxy

Mozilla

well i think most pople that use this forum have voted and although i knew alot of people around here had stopped using IE i had no idea it was so many only 14% using IE... wow

Bard

Mozilla

Canis Lupus wrote:

well excuse me for being busy in work and not noticing the post.... I stand humbled by your powers of perception and thank you for the kind way in which you handled my "stupid" question.

Good man, well done. No quotation marks necessary.