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Eu migration to Ireland - got an opinion?
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11-11-2004 6:10pmHi,
I'm a student journalist currently writing a piece on EU migration to Ireland.
I'm interested in finding out people's opinions to other EU nationalities, particularly countries who have only joined since May (Czech Republic, Hungary, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Latvia, etc), setting up in Ireland. I'd also like to know what people who've come here think on the subject.
Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?
Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?
What is your experience of it so far?
Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
I'm interested in knowing what you think!
Thanks!0
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Lazy hack.....
Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?
Yes
Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?
It does
What is your experience of it so far?
Havent met too many of them
Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
It will cause problems if they keep driving their clapped out LV darkend windowed bangers at high speed. Other than that I dont have aproblem with them we are all in the same club so to speak0 -
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Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?
I've no idea, it's hard to spot who's from Eastern Europe.
Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?
Probably, where there's an opportunity to earn more overseas, some people will go for it. But lots of people aren't so adventurous and have reasons to stay in their own country. But when the jobs start being created in the accession countries, and wages go up, I'm sure the majority would rather stay at home. And some of us might head over there.
What is your experience of it so far?
Not much experience working with Eastern Europeans at all, I'm afraid. But Poles are good drummers and like Sonic Youth.
Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
Sure it's a positive step. There'll only be problems if migrants get exploited or exploited Irish people perceive their being here as a problem Hmm, maybe it could be a problem but I hope not.0 -
Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?What is your experience of it so far?Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
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Then do you think there already has been some exploitation of workers coming from eastern and central europe?
Would you think they are discriminated against when they work here, as so many organisations do?
Those of you who work along side these people (and especially those of you who have immigrated) might know best.0 -
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Im in favour of all these immigrants coming into the country. I think its going to help keep down wage inflation and also help the economy to grow at its potential. Also the people from the E.U bring with them new ideas, ways of doing things and it broadens our culture as well.
Many of the people from eastern Europe have little problems in fitting in with us and as long as they dont come over here for the dole (which they cant claim anyway) then Im all for it, the more the merrier IMO.
However, I dont want to see Turkish people arrive here by the boat load to be brutally honest. I dont think they will integrate (just like Germany) and there willl be a culture clash (especially the way this country is moving to a more secular place). So Im totally against any turks coming over here, sorry if thats not P.C but Im in favour of the government here giving them grants to help build up their own country instead (or lobbying the E.U to give them massive loans with minute % intrest) thats pretty fair0 -
Maybe you can furnish us with some of your opinions as well. This isn't a research board for lazy students its a discussion board, I am sure alot of us would be interested in your views as well.0
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thejollyrodger wrote:However, I dont want to see Turkish people arrive here by the boat load to be brutally honest. I dont think they will integrate (just like Germany) and there willl be a culture clash (especially the way this country is moving to a more secular place).
No wonder it's hard for them to integrate with people who think like this around! Have you ever thought that you might augmenting the problem you want to solve?0 -
simu wrote:No wonder it's hard for them to integrate with people who think like this around! Have you ever thought that you might augmenting the problem you want to solve?
If they want to remain separate from our society unlike all the other nationalities, then why are they here!! A Muslim girl I knew in college, who grew up here in Ireland, and was a very friendly girl with everyone in the class is the perfect example of their......mindlessness. She never wore the veil, until France banned it then she started wearing it all the time. She got to third year with one year left in her degree and then she was married.....nope she didn't get married she was married. A man she never saw was choosen as her husband and she went back to her parents home country and married him - she was one year from her degree. She is now being the good Muslim wife and getting ready to have this strangers kids.......She grew up here, our taxes paid for her education and now she has left Ireland and "gone home"; to have babies. That's it!, that's her purpose in life! These people don't want to intergrate they are brainwashed zombies with no individual freedoms and choices. That is the reason these attitudes exist. Where there's smoke there's fire.
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studentjourno wrote:Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?What is your experience of it so far?Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
I reckon your questions need some work to be honest as they're not particularly good.
And toss in your own opinions as well as this isn't a substitute for getting off your ass and either starting a discussion here or posting somewhere else so if you post your own opinion in the next 24 hours I won't lock this.0 -
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OfflerCrocGod wrote:And then I see a veiled woman. Or a man with a big beard and dressed like a pillock. Why are they special? Why are they different from everyone else? Why do they resist integration?
And I don't believe that people who don't dress "like us" are resisting integration. What has what they're wearing got to do with anything really? In a "free" society surely they can wear whatever they want. Right?
Why do you have such a problem with people (namely Muslims from what I can see) who don't think the way you do?These people don't want to intergrate they are brainwashed zombies with no individual freedoms and choices.
You talk about no individual freedoms and then you criticise people for having religious beliefs that you do not share. Is it not their freedom to hold these beliefs or does freedom only count if it involves thinking the way you do?
People don't think the same, that's what makes the world interesting.
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studentjourno wrote:Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?
It depends on what you mean by "more commonplace".
Are more people coming here? Yes.
Is the number of people per month coming here rising? I don't think there's significant variance there, but amn't sure.Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?What is your experience of it so far?
I live in Switzerland
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The only people I've ever had problems with while in Ireland are the Irish - inside the workplace or out.
Generally, though, I tend to find that in skilled work environment, workers from developing-economy nations tend by and large to be more dilligent and harder working. I can't comment on semi-skilled or unskilled positions, because I don't work in that area.Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
It is a positive step, both in terms of supplying a labour shortage, and in terms of the positive aspects of multicultural diversity.
It will cause problems, for two major reasons:
1) There are enough people who have multicultural issues.
2) As the economic world turns, Ireland will sooner or later change in its appeal for foreign investment. When this economic shift comes, regardless of how we weather it, there will be those who generally have no issue with multiculturality who will develop a "why should they get to take our jobs" issue.I'm interested in knowing what you think!
Also, may we assume that this is notresearch for anything specific (a project, an article, or whatever)....as common courtesy would surely oblige you to disclose as much at the start.
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Some people resist integration because they have no interest in and are hostile towards integration, particularly if they dislike or are contemptuous of the culture they could integrate into.
Not that some of those hostile to integration have any love of multi-culturalism, they don't, as they view other cultures as decadent and harmful and would prefer if everyone else integrated into *their* culture and belief system! Personally and off topic, I think there is a happy medium between integration and multi-culturalism.
I think the current movement of workers from Eastern Europe to Ireland is positive thing, the movement of workers from China even more so. I don't think we will see a comparative movement from Ireland eastwards even with much business opportunities opening up in future. I also think our relative geographic isolation compared to Germany, Austria and France will limit the numbers from Eastern Europe.0 -
Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?
Echo what Bonkey said, what do you mean by commonplace?
Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?
Yes and no. These people were coming here to work before EU Enlargement. It's easier now, and they don't have to go thought too the hardship as they've had to do before.
What is your experience of it so far?
I've had a very positive experience so far.
Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
Absolutly positive. In fact I'm in favour of easing our immigration system and making sure that it's as non-obtrusive as possible.0 -
OfflerCrocGod wrote:And then I see a veiled woman. Or a man with a big beard and dressed like a pillock.0
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Do you think it's becoming more commonplace?
While it is now much easier for some East Europeans to migrate to Ireland, the end of the Celtic Tiger and slower economy (although much healthier here than most of the rest of Europe) has slowed this migration. Nonetheless, yes, it is on balance becoming more commonplace.
Do you think this has anything to do with EU enlargement?
It has made it easier for some East Europeans to migrate.
What is your experience of it so far?
Women from the Baltic states who grew up under the Soviet system and hence have no Catholic guilt trip where it comes to sex.
Is it a postitive step or will it cause problems?
Largely positive, with some caveats vis-a-vi the migration of parasitic groups that can come those nations, namely Gypsies.0 -
No wonder it's hard for them to integrate with people who think like this around! Have you ever thought that you might augmenting the problem you want to solve?
well he did ask my opinion and Im just giving it. The thing is, I dont think that turkish people will want to integrate. IMO they dont belive in any of the secular stuff here.
If it is a small number of people coming over then its ok, they have to integrate, if its open doors then they are coming over by the ship load then personally I think they just want to have their own ghettos and why bring that over here?0 -
Sure I'll gladly give my opinion.
For the record i'm not just a lazy a student. I'm genuinely interested in the subject and this is just a starting point for my research. I've been in touch with groups who work in this area (Immigrant Council of Ireland and the Eastern European Foundation of Ireland, etc). So don't worry - you're not doing an entire assignment for me.
I think the Eastern Europeans deserve as much as they can get from our economy. I've vistied most of Eastern Europe and indeed worked with them in a number of different environments - i've found them to be incredibly hard-working. And it should always be those that work hardest that get the most. At the moment that is certainly not the case and we in the west are really in a position of undeserved priviledge.
I think there's definately more people from the Eastern block in our country these days and it may have quite a bit to do with the enlargement of the EU. Cultural diversity will never be a bad thing as far I'm concerned.0 -
ionapaul wrote:I also think our relative geographic isolation compared to Germany, Austria and France will limit the numbers from Eastern Europe.
The opposite is true actually. Our labour market (along with the UK and Sweden's) is open to workers from all EU countries. Not only that but Ireland has chosen to extend full welfare benefits along with this right to work, something which the UK and Sweden have put restrictions on. This contrasts the labour markets of Germany, France, etc are all currently closed to the newest members of the EU, infact, they were openly hostile to the suggestion of an open labour market. Since our economy is (relatively) the more buoyant of the above, we're now seeing an increasing amount of workers coming from Eastern Europe (there was a report out a few months back that said tens of thousands had come within months of the new EU members joining). Even from my own anecdotal evidence of working, travelling on the bus or even walking around Cork I can see and hear this for myself.
Economically, I think the benefits to Ireland will be positive although I think that using the argument that this multiculturalism will benefit us as being a load of bollox.0 -
thejollyrodger wrote:IMO they dont belive in any of the secular stuff here.0
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Frank Grimes wrote:Because they've different opinions and beliefs than other people do.
And I don't believe that people who don't dress "like us" are resisting integration. What has what they're wearing got to do with anything really? In a "free" society surely they can wear whatever they want. Right?
Why do you have such a problem with people (namely Muslims from what I can see) who don't think the way you do?
Since I like my free society I don't think we should do something as stupid as what France/Bavaria did and ban their clothes in schools. We should just be mindful that a Mohammed Bouyeri may decide to punish us for our 'sins', and blow something up in Europe....like Madrid. We also have to keep an eye on the far-right who will try and exploit this; all in all not a nice situation. Pretending these people don't exist though is plain stupid.Frank Grimes wrote:From your posts, the only way you'll be happy is if we're all walking around, dressed the same, thinking the same secular thoughts, having the same opinions as each other.Frank Grimes wrote:And you call them brainwashed? A brainwashed population seems to be a utopian ideal for you.Frank Grimes wrote:You talk about no individual freedoms and then you criticise people for having religious beliefs that you do not share. Is it not their freedom to hold these beliefs or does freedom only count if it involves thinking the way you do?
People don't think the same, that's what makes the world interesting.
Try opening your eyes a bit.Redleslie2 wrote:Like nuns and bishops? And goths?0 -
Redleslie2 wrote:Perhaps it might be worth noting that Turkey has had a female prime minister. And we haven't.0
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OfflerCrocGod wrote:I do think they are resisting integration; you can see this by the fact that other people of the world are integrating when they come to our country but these people aren't. I like my free society and I want to keep it that way, that's why I dislike these people they want *us* to become like them.
What makes you say *they* want *us* to be like them? Do you not think that sounds just a little hysterical? Do all Muslims in the country want that, or just the ones that dress like "pillocks" (your words again)?It may seem hypocritical me arguing for freedom and yet trying to restrict the freedom of these people, but it's because I value Freedom that I don't want these people in power and dislike them.No it's not, a population that is free and well-educated is utopia for me. You can't argue with GOD'S WORD, it's final and that's where these people believe they get their backing from!, don't like GOD'S WORD Frank? Tough Sh1t - up againts the wall we'll show you what we do to blasphemers.
And please stop insinuating that they're all terrorists along with being stupid and backward.I don't mind people practicing their religion but I don't like it taking over a persons life - it's a waste of a life.In the end they are coming to our countries we are not going to their countries. What's wrong with me pointing out I wouldn't like my country being swamped by very religious people from some backwater country; and them trying to live the same way they lived in their backward country??
Maybe when you realise that you're making sweeping statements about 1 billion plus people from different countries, socities, political backgrounds, economic backgrounds, ethnic backgrounds, religious backgrounds (not all Muslims practise the same "version" of Islam or religion at all) you'll see what's wrong with what you said there. There's no point in me trying to point it out to you until then.0 -
Frank Grimes wrote:Again, they're resisting integration into our "free" society by not dressing the same as we do (your words)?. (BTW. you mean to tell me that you've never seen African or Indian people in Dublin dressed in their "traditional" (or however you want to put it) clothes? Are they backward and refusing to integrate too, or it that only the case if they're religious as well?)
There has not been ONE prosperous, successful, religious state ever. Our way of life is better, theirs ( where the state follows the laws of the $HOLY_BOOK and therefore removing the need for change ) is broken, it's an obvious truth; so WHY do they resist change so much!!!. I'll let a far greater man then me put it into words.Plato wrote:We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.Frank Grimes wrote:What makes you say *they* want *us* to be like them?Frank Grimes wrote:Do you not think that sounds just a little hysterical? Do all Muslims in the country want that, or just the ones that dress like "pillocks" (your words again)?Frank Grimes wrote:Yes, it is very hypocritical of you. No one has said anything about "them" getting into power either, you've just been bad mouthing immigrants for being religious and dressing differently.Frank Grimes wrote:A great deal of Muslims are educated too as I'm sure you know.Frank Grimes wrote:And please stop insinuating that they're all terrorists along with being stupid and backward.Frank Grimes wrote:A practising Muslim would disagree with you there, and that's their belief which they're perfectly entitled too. It's a "free" society is it not?Frank Grimes wrote:Newsflash: Not all Muslims are the same and they don't all come from the same country.
Maybe when you realise that you're making sweeping statements about 1 billion plus people from different countries, socities, political backgrounds, economic backgrounds, ethnic backgrounds, religious backgrounds (not all Muslims practise the same "version" of Islam or religion at all) you'll see what's wrong with what you said there. There's no point in me trying to point it out to you until then.0 -
OfflerCrocGod wrote:I've now been enlightened by you! I realise that from now on I must tolerate all peoples opinions and ways of life: bring on Sharia Law and Honour Killings! I can't wait till I afto kill a woman because she had the temerity to be raped. I must tolerate everything.
All I'm trying to say is that you do not need to make continuous mass generalisations about all Muslims which for some reason you insist on doing.
You should do yourself a favour and try to differentiate between a small fraction of extremists and a general population of people.
And maybe, just maybe, try to understand that some people choose to hold religious opinions without brainwashing or whatever you want to call it.0 -
Frank Grimes wrote:You don't get it at all do you?Frank Grimes wrote:All I'm trying to say is that you do not need to make continuous mass generalisations about all Muslims which for some reason you insist on doing.OfflerCrocGod wrote:Look at Mohammed Bouyeri he wasn't elected and yet because of him mosques and churches are being burnt to the ground in Holland. That is a form of power; no one elected him to be the head of the Muslims in Holland and yet they are paying the price for his actions. A fringe, lunatic group as I already said does not need the support of the majority; it just needs to be. Those are the people I dislike Frank; they are close minded and are dangerous.Frank Grimes wrote:You should do yourself a favour and try to differentiate between a small fraction of extremists and a general population of people.OfflerCrocGod wrote:Yes, I say 'Hi' to them every day in College; I don't fear them they are my friends. Were did I say the were all terrorists? I never though that and I don't think that. One of my favourite lectures is Muslim and I think he is very intelligent, even though he is very religious. That's because he is tolerant enough that he has no problem with female relatives of his not wearing the headscarf.Frank Grimes wrote:And maybe, just maybe, try to understand that some people choose to hold religious opinions without brainwashing or whatever you want to call it.0
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As long as you don't threaten my free, prosperous society then I have no problem with you. If you want to wear a burka, fine do it, but I don't have to like it and I don't have to accept it as a good thing.
Sorry, but this reads to me as "I have a problem with you wearing this stuff, but can't admit it as it undermines my argument".
Why don't you like it? And...more importantly....how can you say you don't think its a good thing, don't like it, but don't have a problem with it???OfflerCrocGod wrote:I dislike all religions,
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.No it's not, a population that is free and well-educated is utopia for me. You can't argue with GOD'S WORD, it's final and that's where these people believe they get their backing from!, don't like GOD'S WORD Frank? Tough Sh1t - up againts the wall we'll show you what we do to blasphemers.
I'm taking these two points together, because they are strongly related. There are no shortage of religions, OCG, where you can argue with GODS word, and its not final. Indeed, nowadays, most Christian religions are beginning to realise that they fit into this category as well.They want all of us to think like them and be like them
I don't see why this gives you some higher moral ground....- look at the societies of the Middle-East, how free are they?I don't want Ireland to become a Jordan or *even* a Turkey.
I don't want a regressive belief to gain a foothold in Europe because of their sheer numbers and their reluctance to integrate.I don't mind people practicing their religionWhat's wrong with me pointing out I wouldn't like my country being swamped by very religious people from some backwater country;When they can clearly see the prosperity that our society has brought us!
Those who believe, for example, that the cost to the environment, or the growing wealth-divide, or the taking advantage of emerging economies is too high....they're all dangerous nutballs who don't understand the prosperity our society has brought us and who threaten our very existence for nothing more than their beliefs too.... right?
Because what your objection here is to is the different moral standards of different people, not the fact that its a different religion behind them...right? You did say you'd no problem with religion per say...it was the effects of it that you've problem with. So surely you have the same problem when an equally fervent belief exists from a non-religious source?That's some amazing blinkers they wear.
It never amazes me how many people believe that those who believe differently to them must do so because they are blinkered. I'm sure they say the same about you, Offler....and I'm sure that you'd be only too happy to ignore the flaws in our society they complain about in favour of pointing out the flaws in theirs to show that your "blinkered" allegation is somehow more true.
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bonkey wrote:Sorry, but this reads to me as "I have a problem with you wearing this stuff, but can't admit it as it undermines my argument".Why don't you like it? And...more importantly....how can you say you don't think its a good thing, don't like it, but don't have a problem with it???The suspected ringleader of the Madrid bombings blew himself up along with four other suspects during a police raid, Spain's interior minister said.
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Eleven of the detained 15 suspects are Moroccan.
The Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group is the main focus of police investigations.bonkey wrote:I'm taking these two points together, because they are strongly related. There are no shortage of religions, OCG, where you can argue with GODS word, and its not final. Indeed, nowadays, most Christian religions are beginning to realise that they fit into this category as well.bonkey wrote:And for you to be happy about them being here, you would like all of them to think and be like us....
I don't see why this gives you some higher moral ground....bonkey wrote:How long have they had to establish that freedom compared to the rest of us? More importantly....how do you ever expect them to change if your solution is not to give them freer access to a world which will show them how limiting those restrictions are.)
bonkey wrote:There's more than one regressive belief out there, and I would be inclined to say that isolationism is one of them. So it would appear that you're already too late. In "fighting" against one belief you see as regressive, you would appear to have embraced an alternative with open arms.bonkey wrote:As long as they don't do it over here, in any large numbers, with a religion you're not comfortable with.bonkey wrote:I think you answer that question very eloquently just by asking it the way you do.Nearly everyone here talks about Europe in terms of jobs and money, or the chance of exodus for their children.
I can't quite imagine what these barely educated children might do in Europe, except perhaps live in a different, and probably more unpleasant, kind of grinding poverty.bonkey wrote:BEcause prosperity, and all that comes with it in our society, is unquestionably a good thing by all moral standards, yes?Winston Churchill wrote:Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.bonkey wrote:Those who believe, for example, that the cost to the environment, or the growing wealth-divide, or the taking advantage of emerging economies is too high....they're all dangerous nutballs who don't understand the prosperity our society has brought us and who threaten our very existence for nothing more than their beliefs too.... right?bonkey wrote:Because what your objection here is to is the different moral standards of different people, not the fact that its a different religion behind them...right? You did say you'd no problem with religion per say...it was the effects of it that you've problem with. So surely you have the same problem when an equally fervent belief exists from a non-religious source?bonkey wrote:It never amazes me how many people believe that those who believe differently to them must do so because they are blinkered. I'm sure they say the same about you, Offler....and I'm sure that you'd be only too happy to ignore the flaws in our society they complain about in favour of pointing out the flaws in theirs to show that your "blinkered" allegation is somehow more true.0 -
OfflerCrocGod wrote:Look at France, Germany, Holland, look how well these people have intergrated there!
I'm looking at you posting articles about how a tiny, tiny minority of the entire group that you're complaining about have done something that you can point to as having done something more objectionable than wearing clothes you don't like, and wondering how this backs up any rational fear of the larger group.The reason I don't like religion? It can pollute and take over a persons mind, help them justify horrible acts because they have GOD on their side.
therefore negating the need for Democracy and Freedom of Choice.
Islam??? While you're at it, could you address the point I made previously which you dodged first time round, which is explain why you don't like religions which do not do anything of the sort (i.e. no absolute doctrine, nothing which undermines democracy, no killing in the name of their God)Those are some of the minor issues I have with religion. I don't like it but I don't have a problem with it because it doesn't impinge on my lifestyle, it doesn't really affect me personally.Anyway religion isn't a buffet where you get to pick and choose the parts you like and don't like;
Really? There's only one Christian faith? Only one Muslim faith? Hindii? Buddhist? Jewish? There's no distinction between the fundamentalist, the extremist, and the more "conventional" religious castes?if you are of religion X you live by the code of conduct presented in religion X's holy book, if you don't then you are just pretending to be an Xian.
Ah. I see. How convenient. So...anyone who violates any precept of their religion isn't actually religious. Given that Islam is fundamentally a religion of peace....wouldn't that mean that all of the people you have an objection to aren't really religious, but only pretending to be? Why, then, blame the religion that they're not following??? Why punish those who do follow that religion for those that only pretend to??? Or are you saying we should punish those who are only pretending to be Muslim because the real religion is one of violence?I have the higher ground because the Western world is more advanced and liberal then a religious society.Of course there is one huge difference between S East Asia/Europe and the Middle-East, I'll give you one guess.....God is great, bonkey, God is great.
While we're at it...why don't you have a look at what type of social conditions are most suitable for religions to form and to increase in popularity. There might be a lesson to learn there.We had no one to help us or to copy from,
And as for maths...we didn't get that from those iggerant, backwards Muslims. No sireee. We made that up all on our own. Algebra, Calculus, the decimal numbers....all good western inventions. And gunpowder too....we had no help there.who can take the place of these possible extremists.Anyway the vast majority of people coming into our country are perfectally fine and will never cause trouble.Still there can be a small hand full that could and for that reason I think we should filter people coming in,
Hmm. The Canadian model...
Rich, educated Muslims are not a problem. Poor, less-well-educated Muslims are.
Why then do you conclude that its the religion which is the threat/problem???Yes, exactly. I'm not comfortable with any religion.Oh yes intolerant bastard I am - why would I have a problem with hundreds of thousands of unchecked, unfiltered people swamping my country.You are free to come up with something better bonkey,Which one would you prefer?What's more dangerous a bomb blowing up the Luas, or a property developer buying the rights to build a shopping centre in location X?Their beliefs require there be no seperation of church and state,If you get your laws from a holy book they can't change
No change in the Catholic Church's position on anything in the past decade?
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bonkey wrote:I'd rather you explain to me how telling me that democracy is the best system we have actually answers the question I posed, which was whether or not prosperity, and all that comes with it in our society was unquestionably a good thing. You're telling me you don't see a single aspect of our modern western society that isn't necessarily a good thing? The rapid increases in obesity? The increasing prevalance of gun-related crime? The decline of our environment? The all-powerful god Profit? Its all good???0
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