Sinn Fein/IRA members found with list of TDs

ionapaul

Well, tbh I do view the PUP as being a different kettle of fish to the DUP, being the mouthpiece of loyalist terrorists (or freedom fighters, right? have to be PC here). Don't think either party will be knockin' on my door for votes any time soon though, so I don't think about them much...

Elmo

Well, tbh I do view the PUP as being a different kettle of fish to the DUP, being the mouthpiece of loyalist terrorists (or freedom fighters, right? have to be PC here). Don't think either party will be knockin' on my door for votes any time soon though, so I don't think about them much...

Please note that i put "freedom fighters" in quote because i don't believe that you can call them that. Also know matter how "PC" you get you could never call any of the Unionist Terrorist organistations "Freedom Fighters", I think they believe they all ready have freedom.

IMO Paisley is more of a mouthpiece to Loyalist Terrorists.

Why do you view the PUP differently to the DUP? The seem the same to me. Personly i think most of the Unionist Policital parties in the north have some conection to the Unionist Terrorist organistations.

Sand

SF are a peaceful organisation who are trying to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is fully implemented, an agreement that was passed by majority on both sides of the border. If SF weren't present that agreement would never be implemented, the same can be said for the DUP.

Dear God, Its looking like cork transferred his allegiance to Sinn Fein.

Please note that i put "freedom fighters" in quote because i don't believe that you can call them that. Also know matter how "PC" you get you could never call any of the Unionist Terrorist organistations "Freedom Fighters", I think they believe they all ready have freedom.

He was being sarcastic - practically left a guidebook explaining the term - and no doubt referring to the reluctance to describe the IRA and organisations farther afield as terrorists, but instead to call them freedom fighters.

[ Daithí ]

Hydrosylator wrote:

As long as Sinn Féin exist, the gun will be a part of Irish politics. Anyone who beleives those within Sinn Féin don't know which of their members are also in the IRA is naive.

They are an organisation which continues to profit from crime. Sinn Féin puts on the Gandhi face in public and in the media, but we all know that they are the public part of the same circle which includes the IRA and the RIRA. If you think Gerry Adams has no idea who was behind the Omagh bombing, you're a fool. Do you really think he has no idea? Do you really think he couldn't do anything about it if he wanted to?

And just how rubbish the IRA/Sinn Féin really are has been demonstrated by how little hash they've been getting into the country lately. (drought)As we all know, this is a bunch of people who felt the pinch after 9/11, when Irish-americans realised what terrorists do. No more tins of cash going home.

I'm a member of Sinn Féin. I don't know who is an IRA member, and I honestly don't care. I'm in it for the politics, not the gun.

The IRA and RIRA depise one another. The RIRA are (apparently) linked to Sinn Féin Poblachtach. Everyone knows who was behind the Omagh bombing: the RIRA. They admitted it for God's sake, so it looks like you're the fool. :rolleyes: And Gerry Adams has zero control over the RIRA, again due to their rivalry with the Provisionals. I'm sure if Gerry told the RIRA to disarm, he'd be shot... again...

Remember: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

Hash can be grown in this country. You're just going off-topic. Well-played.

Haven't the IRA been on a ceasefire for over a decade now, or have I imagined it?

daveirl

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Hydrosylator

Well I think it's well backed up by all the cases showing links between Sinn Féin, and the IRA, and the overlap of membership so frequently exposed. Also, take into account that all the RIRA are past members of the IRA.

I have no evidence to back this up. I also have no evidence to show that parallel lines don't meet. Oh and for the enlightened individual who give me a red mark (oh no, it's primary school all over again), the dog in the street knows that what I said is true. Oh, and Celtic are ****.

A Dub in Glasgo

OK nearly 9 years then ie A bloody long time

A Dub in Glasgo

Hydrosylator wrote:

I have no evidence to back this up. I also have no evidence to show that parallel lines don't meet. Oh and for the enlightened individual who give me a red mark (oh no, it's primary school all over again), the dog in the street knows that what I said is true. Oh, and Celtic are ****.

That would be me... since when do dogs talk

Hydrosylator

[ Daith&#237 wrote: »

I don't know who is an IRA member, and I honestly don't care.

Well done on showing how anti-terrorist sinn féin members are.

Everyone knows who was behind the Omagh bombing: the RIRA. They admitted it for God's sake, so it looks like you're the fool.

I didn't say the RIRA weren't responsible, I said Gerry Adams knows well who did it.

Remember: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

Freedom fighters have the balls to go into battle against armies, when was the last time the IRA (who, your quote would suggest, you aren't opposed to) actually did anything of that kind? And while you're at ti, when was the last time they killed someone who didn't deserve it, so we can compare the dates?

Haven't the IRA been on a ceasefire for over a decade now, or have I imagined it?

You've been mistaken, as has already been said, Canary Wharf (an excellent piece of freedom fighting, I'm sure)

boomdogman

ionapaul wrote:

As you know Sand (you've heard it on this forum before I know!), this proves nothing about the democratic and upstanding intentions of the Sinn Fein party. Those two were merely low-level members, loosely affiliated in fact, and certainly do not reflect the peace-loving socialists that the public have learned to trust and respect (Mary Lou, anyone?) - sure, did they even have beards? If not, they were not true Sinn Fein members! The way Sinn Fein is constantly attacked by *certain* members on this board, it just turns the stomach. Let's not get into the tired politics of accusations and blame, Sand...

Amazing isn't it the way they trot out the same tripe no matter what these thugs do?
They are not members, neither were the trio of angels that were sent to columbia, according to Grizzly Adams.
They are low level. Of course they are! High level members son't do foot soldiers work.

Tired politics of accusations? Sorry but these thugs are now convicted so we all have moved beyond the "Tired politics of accusations?" and into the brave new world of recognition of facist thugs for what they are.
Imagine if a crew of FF members, some of them election workers(poor Aeongus O Snoddaigh, wheres he gonna turn now?) were found with baseball bat and info on TDs?

Hydrosylator

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

That would be me... since when do dogs talk

Since when did I say dogs talk? Proof that if you think Sinn Féin are an all right bunch of lads, you probably can't read.

boomdogman

So the guy who is killing you with an ice pick suddenly stops hitting you with it? You make him citizen of the year?
Baseball bats, intimidation, protection rackets, drug running, every freedom fighter should have a ceasefire like that!

Sand

He (iona to clarify) was being sarcastic boom - it just doesnt carry as clearly over the internet. Id imagine hed agree with close to everything you said.

boomdogman

Sorry Ionpaul

Mighty_Mouse

Ahh, finally we are in agreement - one of those 'let us agree to disagree' type of situations! I'll go on hating the IRA then, you can go on viewing them through rose-tinted glasses and we'll all be happy.

Very nice! Now deal with the reality of 1980! Yes, thats it -- reality?

You did imagine it.
9 February 1996 - IRA Blow Up Canary Wharf killing two

10 years since the first one. And the first major signal that political talks were possible.

Xterminator

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

OK nearly 9 years then ie A bloody long time

Tell that to the victims of so called punishment beatings!

X

Villain

Sand wrote:

Dear God, Its looking like cork transferred his allegiance to Sinn Fein.

Thats a great response, something I'd expect from Cork. I only have to repeat myself because people bash SF over the same things over and over again.

Meh

[ Daith&#237 wrote: »

Haven't the IRA been on a ceasefire for over a decade now, or have I imagined it?

If they're on ceasefire, what are they doing driving around with "a sledgehammer, two pick axe handles, 8 bags of ties, radios, a black balaclava, rubber gloves, a yellow flurorescent Garda jacket, false number plates, a stun gun, CS gas and a roll of black tape"?

irish1 wrote:

I only have to repeat myself because people bash SF over the same things over and over again.

That's only because SF try to pull the same crap over and over again.

magpie

If they're on ceasefire, what are they doing driving around with "a sledgehammer, two pick axe handles, 8 bags of ties, radios, a black balaclava, rubber gloves, a yellow flurorescent Garda jacket, false number plates, a stun gun, CS gas and a roll of black tape"?

What member of a peaceful, democratic organisation doesn't carry that stuff around with them?

I hear Anthony Gormley doens't leave home without a Mach-10, snub-nose .38, ball gags, handcuffs, cattle-prod, RPG-7 and 12 rolls of gaffer tape.

ionapaul

Sand wrote:

He (iona to clarify) was being sarcastic boom - it just doesnt carry as clearly over the internet. Id imagine hed agree with close to everything you said.

So many people are missing my sarcasm, I'm beginning to think I need to re-read my old copy of 'Sarcasm for the Internet' once more! Also, the murder of Gerry McCabe in Adare was in June 1996 - don't know if this counted as breaking the IRA's ceasefire or are standard criminal incidents like this listed under 'funding activities' rather than 'terrorism'. Are Sinn Fein still campaigning to get the killers released or has that been put on the back-burner for the time being?

Mighty_Mouse

the murder of Gerry McCabe in Adare was in June 1996

...the manslaughter...

- don't know if this counted as breaking the IRA's ceasefire or are standard criminal incidents like this listed under 'funding activities' rather than 'terrorism'

I would think 'funding terrorism'

Are Sinn Fein still campaigning to get the killers released or has that been put on the back-burner for the time being

Last I checked they were calling for the full and complete release of all parts of the Good Friday Agreement. Including the early release of prisoners.

In fact I would think any deal done in the near future will include the release of the castlerea prisoners

p.s lets not get into the whole picking and choosing parts of the GFA argument, supreme court decision that we "actually" dont "have to" implement the agreement in full.

Just thought I'd clear some things up for IonaPaul. He finds it hard to get his information sometimes. (http://www.coiste.ie/castlerea.htm)

Cork

irish1 wrote:

Thats a great response, something I'd expect from Cork. I only have to repeat myself because people bash SF over the same things over and over again.

Irish1 - I hope that over the next few days this country will see an end to organisations like the IRA. I hope that we will see an end for once and for all to punishment beatings and all rackets.

Meh

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

Last I checked they were calling for the full and complete release of all parts of the Good Friday Agreement.

So why don't they start with this part:

the decommissioning of all paramilitary arms within two years following endorsement in referendums North and South of the agreement

Or is it only other people who are supposed to implement the GFA fully, and Sinn Fein can cherry pick the parts they like?

Mighty_Mouse

Or is it only other people who are supposed to implement the GFA fully, and Sinn Fein can cherry pick the parts they like?

I think everyone knows at this stage that the IRA dont have a problem with decommissioning once all other parts of the agreement are being implemented at the same time.

also I can never understand the term "full decommissioning" ie. how long is a piece of rope?

ionapaul

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

Just thought I'd clear some things up for IonaPaul. He finds it hard to get his information sometimes. (http://www.coiste.ie/castlerea.htm)

Interesting website, to say the least! The Castlerea Five need YOUR support - catchy slogan. Would be nice with a pic of Gerry or Martin in Uncle Sam pose (in Green uniform rather than the Stars n Stripes) pointing the finger. Glad there are still idealistic people in Ireland willing to stand up for the little guys...*

*for those not paying attention, yes, that is sarcasm once again!

Mighty_Mouse

Interesting website, to say the least! The Castlerea Five need YOUR support - catchy slogan.

I don't particularly think its a great website either tbh (needs a little updating in places).

I just knew you would be interested in reading all available information on the matter before you made up your mind.

ionapaul

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

I don't particularly think its a great website either tbh (needs a little updating in places).

I just knew you would be interested in reading all available information on the matter before you made up your mind.

Lol, you know I make up my mind WAAAYYY before I have all the information

Rock Climber

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

...the manslaughter...
I would think 'funding terrorism'

Tiz nice to see how you will loyally defend these peoples name like that again...
Ok we'll call them slaughterers then to keep you happy.
If they are catholics,they were also convicted of breaking one of the ten commandments.
Actually two as they were stealing at the time aswell

They such idols, the castlerea five,one should worship them like heroes and hold them up as an example to live your life by as the beacon of light and gentleness that they are :rolleyes:

Mighty_Mouse

Ok we'll call them slaughterers then to keep you happy.

man-slaughterers

If they are catholics,they were also convicted of breaking one of the ten commandments.

lost me there, sorry!
are you a Dana supporter by any chance!!!

They such idols, the castlerea five,one should worship them like heroes and hold them up as an example to live your life by as the beacon of light and gentleness that they are

If you choose to.... then by all means. But you "holy-god" sarcasim means nothing in reality. Now come back into the light Rockclimber and tell how we develop a stable society in Northern Ireland without compromise and agreement.

ps I'm assuming you would refuse to compromise of agree anything with the IRA, Sinn Fein or a majority of republicans in the north

cdebru

Meh wrote:

So why don't they start with this part:?

Meh wrote:

Or is it only other people who are supposed to implement the GFA fully, and Sinn Fein can cherry pick the parts they like?

"All participants accordingly reaffirm their commitment to the total disarmament of all paramilitary organisations. They also confirm their intention to continue to work constructively and in good faith with the Independent Commission, and to use any influence they may have, to achieve the decommissioning of all paramilitary arms within two years following endorsement in referendums North and South of the agreement and in the context of the implementation of the overall settlement"

that is the full text you cut out the bit that suited you it says use any influence they have
and it says in the context of the implementation of the overall agreement
sinn feins arguement is that whatever influence they have could only work when the agreement is fully implemented as per the agreement