Sinn Fein/IRA members found with list of TDs

bonkey

jonny68 wrote:

ANYBODY who thinks the war is over is a fool,

Thats bordering on being a direct insult to those who have already posted on this forum saying it is over.

Are you looking to be banned?

the war is NEVER over until there is a 32 county socialist democratic Republic,until the last British soldier has left Irish soil for good,

<sarcasm>
Because - as we all know - the only way one can achieve what one wants is through war. </sarcasm>

And if its not what others want...well...war gives us the excuse to remove them and/or force our will upon them, doesn't it. Handy that.

Need I also point out that Republicanism has absolutely nothing to do with socialism, except for those soclialists who have hijacked the term to basically mean "what we believe in" rather than its original more limited and less forgiving to extremism meaning.

anyone who thinks the war is over is in my book not a Republican and should be ashamed of themselves,

Fair enough.

In my book, I would tend more to think that it is existence (and not the lack) of such extremism which is shameworthy, as is the redefinition "Republican" as "we are at war with the enemy and will be until we win".

the war is NOT OVER,

And won't be until the regressive mindset of "we must fight to get what we want, and should only negotiate when we don't have to compromise as a result" dies out....but thats what many of us are actually hoping will happen someday.

and to say that is an insult to the memory of the brave people who died for the cause of Irish Freedom..... :mad:

As opposed to your words, which are an insult to the memory of the innocent people who were killed needlessly by your cause?

And I'll thank you not to malign the name of my country by claiming Irish Freedom is what you're fighting for. You've already clarified the war wont be over until you have a socialist Ireland, so you could at least have the intellectual and moral honesty to reword "Free Ireland" as either "Free Socialist Ireland" or - even more honestly - "Socialist Ireland, whether you want socialism or not".

Democracy is for wimps, right? You want socialism, and just like your 32 counties it is neither a historical right you're reclaiming nor something that you could be arsed finding out whether or not it is what the majority want. Nope....none of that matters. What matters is that you want it, and you and your "enlightened" type will be willing to remain at war until its obtained.

I'm amazed you have the nerve to actually call this support of the imposition of your wants on anyone who disagrees as being support for a "Free" anything.

jc

cdebru

imo

when the british declared that they had no selfish interest in remaining in Ireland everything changed

it is up to republicans to convince unionists that they have nothing to fear from a 32 ireland its hard to do that when you have a stockpile of weapons waiting for the war to start
the demographics are changing in the 6 counties it is better to live in peace and share power with the unionists now to prove that we do not want to dominate them or force them to leave this Island than to drag them kicking and screaming into a 32 county republic that many of them are obviously afraid of.

RuggieBear

jonny68 wrote:

ANYBODY who thinks the war is over is a fool,the war is NEVER over until there is a 32 county socialist democratic Republic,until the last British soldier has left Irish soil for good,anyone who thinks the war is over is in my book not a Republican and should be ashamed of themselves,we might have a ceasefire, at present, but the facts remain that the North Of Ireland is STILL under British rule, the war is NOT OVER,and to say that is an insult to the memory of the brave people who died for the cause of Irish Freedom..... :mad:

That is quite possibly the scariest post i have ever seen on boards....You are one scary deluded individual..... unfortunately you are not alone. The vast majority of people on this island want peace. Not a 32 county Socialist republic...just peace!

bonkey

RuggieBear wrote:

You are one scary deluded individual.....

No more personal attacks thanks.

jc

jonny68

irish1 wrote:

Its views like yours that make sure we will never have peace or nationalists in power in the North. Terrorism acheives nothing about time you realised that, the future lies in politics.

How dare you call the volunteers of the IRA terrorists :mad: men and women have given their lives for the cause of Irish freedom, im all for peace in the North Of Ireland,but your mising the point here,the main goal for Republicans should remain that is a 32 county Republic,i support Sinn Fein and have done for over 25 years and i would dearly love to see the GFA working,but that doesnt mean bowing to unionist demands,there does not need to be another act of decommssioning,3 acts is enough..there should be a process of demilitarasation which should begin with immediate effect,what about Loyalist terrorists no one seems to be making any great fuss over them,how many acts of decommssioning have they carried out then eh?ask Republicans of the North of Ireland of which i have many friends what they think about another act of decommissioning and i guarantee you the vast majority are totally opposed to it.

jonny68

bonkey wrote:

Thats bordering on being a direct insult to those who have already posted on this forum saying it is over.

Are you looking to be banned?


<sarcasm>
Because - as we all know - the only way one can achieve what one wants is through war. </sarcasm>

And if its not what others want...well...war gives us the excuse to remove them and/or force our will upon them, doesn't it. Handy that.

Need I also point out that Republicanism has absolutely nothing to do with socialism, except for those soclialists who have hijacked the term to basically mean "what we believe in" rather than its original more limited and less forgiving to extremism meaning.


Fair enough.

In my book, I would tend more to think that it is existence (and not the lack) of such extremism which is shameworthy, as is the redefinition "Republican" as "we are at war with the enemy and will be until we win".


And won't be until the regressive mindset of "we must fight to get what we want, and should only negotiate when we don't have to compromise as a result" dies out....but thats what many of us are actually hoping will happen someday.


As opposed to your words, which are an insult to the memory of the innocent people who were killed needlessly by your cause?

And I'll thank you not to malign the name of my country by claiming Irish Freedom is what you're fighting for. You've already clarified the war wont be over until you have a socialist Ireland, so you could at least have the intellectual and moral honesty to reword "Free Ireland" as either "Free Socialist Ireland" or - even more honestly - "Socialist Ireland, whether you want socialism or not".

Democracy is for wimps, right? You want socialism, and just like your 32 counties it is neither a historical right you're reclaiming nor something that you could be arsed finding out whether or not it is what the majority want. Nope....none of that matters. What matters is that you want it, and you and your "enlightened" type will be willing to remain at war until its obtained.

I'm amazed you have the nerve to actually call this support of the imposition of your wants on anyone who disagrees as being support for a "Free" anything.

jc

Am i looking to be banned?what is that a threat,you actually think i give a fcuk if i get banned from some Internet message forum :rolleyes: your attitude amazes me..who are you anyway just another anti Republican with attitude?just what exactly do you know about Republicanism,not a great deal if you think Republicanism has nothing to do with Socialism,have you ever livedor been up to the North Of Ireland?Have you had friends and family who have been beaten,shot,tortured and killed by the Brits/RUC/PSNI,etc,etc or are you someone who is from the south (i notice your location says Switzerland) its oh so easy for people from down here to voice their opinion on whats happening up the North,but i guarantee you this if you lived or spent time up there and had to live with harrasment from British soldiers/RUC,attacks from Loyalists,etc,etc,etc,etc i could go on and on..then my friend i can guarantee you your attuitude would be very much different,and before you ask yes i have previously lived uo the North and have been subjected to harrasment from scum Brit soldiers and RUC for absolutely no reason,ive been called a fenian scumbag and told to fcuk back off to the south,etc,etc i just thought id mention it anyway,its easy for people who have never lived in the North to voice their opinion on whats right and wrong,getting back to my original point,i truly hope the GFA is a success but there can absolutely not under any circumstances abother act of decommissioning,that should be of vital importance,Oglaigh NA hEireann have every right should this process breakdown to resume their guerilla war against enemy forces,in the past they have brught the British establishment to their knees and would be capable of doign so again,obviously most people myself included do not want a return to war but the good Friday agreement has to be implemented properly in order for peace to be substained...

jonny68

RuggieBear wrote:

That is quite possibly the scariest post i have ever seen on boards....You are one scary deluded individual..... unfortunately you are not alone. The vast majority of people on this island want peace. Not a 32 county Socialist republic...just peace!

oh yeah and you know that for sure do you?you digust me,in fact any "Irishman or woman" who would not like to see our country free is a traitor and should be ashamed of themselves..im not deluded in the slightest i have every right as a citizen of Ireland to want my country free..IRELAND UNFREE SHALL NEVER BE AT PEACE..TIOCFAIDH AR LA

Johnny_the_fox

jonny68 wrote:

,have you ever livedor been up to the North Of Ireland?Have you had friends and family who have been beaten,shot,tortured and killed by the Brits/RUC/PSNI,etc,etc or are you someone who is from the south (i notice your location says Switzerland) its oh so easy for people from down here to voice their opinion on whats happening up the North,but i guarantee you this if you lived or spent time up there and had to live with harrasment from British soldiers/RUC,attacks from Loyalists,etc,etc,etc,etc i could go on and on..then my friend i can guarantee you your attuitude would be very much different,and before you ask yes i have previously lived uo the North and have been subjected to harrasment from scum Brit soldiers and RUC for absolutely no reason,ive been called a fenian scumbag and told to fcuk back off to the south,etc,etc i just thought id mention it anyway,its easy for people who have never lived in the North to voice their opinion on whats right and wrong,getting back to my original point,i truly hope the GFA is a success but there can absolutely not under any circumstances abother act of decommissioning,that should be of vital importance,Oglaigh NA hEireann have every right should this process breakdown to resume their guerilla war against enemy forces,in the past they have brught the British establishment to their knees and would be capable of doign so again,obviously most people myself included do not want a return to war but the good Friday agreement has to be implemented properly in order for peace to be substained...

i live in the north... and guess what..? i am republican too.

The only thing we have left in the north is our hopes and dreams. I reason why i hardly post in this forum.. is because of people like yourself.. that only think what you know is the right way to handle to north.

Yes I want a united Ireland, Yes I want my children growing up in a ireland which is peaceful for all. but living in the north - being able to live in a preaceful environment is much more important than the fight for freedom.

Johnny_the_fox

P.S

on the subject of policing and with SF not involved in the policing board. how the fu_ck are the police "RUC/PSNI" meant to change without their involvement. :rolleyes:

bonkey

jonny68 wrote:

How dare you call the volunteers of the IRA terrorists

Because they are members of an organisation which uses terrorist tactics? I would have thought that its quite logical.

:mad:

Yeah yeah yeah. Its ok to refer to the English as The Enemy, and its ok to talk about killing them as needed in order to win your Free-in-name-only Ireland, but when someone calls a call a spade a spade it makes you mad.

Uh-huh. Take off the green (or dark blue) tinted glasses my friend.

but your mising the point here,

...he says after getting mad that people who engage in acts of terrorism are called terrorisits....

the main goal for Republicans should remain that is a 32 county Republic,

Wow...you've toned that down a lot. Where's the mention of Socialism gone? What happened?

Did your initial beliefs not stand up in the face of the slapping they got here, or are you now simply unwilling to voice them honestly because you know that deep down we're all just traitors here who will only listen to you if you make your position out to be less extreme than it really is?

and i would dearly love to see the GFA working,

Coming from someon ewho professes a belief that until all their demands have been fully met, the war will never end.....this doesn't exactly mean anything.

You'd love to win peacefully, but if peaceful means won't deliver complete victory, then back to the killing it will have to be, eh?

Sorry - but paying such lip-service to peace is a joke.

You either believe in peaceful means, or you don't. Believing in them means accepting whatever solution is reached - including compromise. If you're not willing to do that, then I would suggest that you are part of the problem, not the solution, and that talking about peace and loving to see a peaceful solution is simply an insult to those who actually believe in the term.

there does not need to be another act of decommssioning,3 acts is enough

Not for the reasons you've offered, it isn't. "We need to hold on to our weapons in case we don't achieve total victory peacefully" ??? Sorry - when faced with logic like that, I'd say to either decomission or get off the negotiations, because such a statement is evidence that you're not interested in peace.

ask Republicans of the North of Ireland of which i have many friends what they think about another act of decommissioning and i guarantee you the vast majority are totally opposed to it.

I would oppose it as well n the current climate, but not for the warmongering, terrorism-inciting reasons that you've previously given. (Oh - and if you would like to claim they aren't terrorism-inciting reasons, I take it that you'll explain to me how the IRA will only use these weapons in the future to fight conventionally against active-duty, uniformed troops and in accordance with the Geneva Convention, rather than targetting anyone and anything they decide is a valid target to "send their message".

jc

monument

jonny68 wrote:

im all for peace in the North Of Ireland, but your mising the point here,the main goal for Republicans should remain that is a 32 county Republic

It’s nice to know you want one community to join a government they don’t want. You’d think a Republican would understand not wanting to be under a government one does not want.

The f-ing least so-called Republicans like your self can do is shut up about a united Ireland at a time where there’s not even devolved government.

bonkey

jonny68 wrote:

Am i looking to be banned?what is that a threat,you actually think i give a fcuk if i get banned from some Internet message forum :rolleyes: your attitude amazes me..who are you anyway just another anti Republican with attitude?

No, I'm the moderator of this forum, who's job it is to enforce the charter.....which if you'd bothered to read it tells you that personal attacks are not acceptable.

If you have a problem with that, leave.

As an aside, its a refreshing change to be called an anti-Republican. Most people here have me tagged as an IRA apologist because they're about as vehemently anti-IRA as you are pro-.

have you ever livedor been up to the North Of Ireland?

I haven't lived there, no, because my family were "encouraged" to leave when my father was just a child, so they moved to just south of the border.

As for spending time there....plenty. Mostly Armagh, Enniskillen, Portadown, pccasional visit to Belfast (still the nicest city in Ireland, IMHO)....

Have you had friends and family who have been beaten,shot,tortured and killed by the Brits/RUC/PSNI,etc,etc

I think my previous statement about why my family left the North should answer that.

But apparently because I believe that a perpetuation of the violence isn't the solution, I know nothing....

but i guarantee you this if you lived or spent time up there

Please...do continue to jump to false conclusions like this.

It really shows which one of us has a balanced argument when I base my comments on what you have said, and you base your on incorrect assumptions about what my life must be, just because I disagree with you.

then my friend i can guarantee you your attuitude would be very much different,

No, you can't, I'm afraid. Not by a long margin. I think I've already shown that.

getting back to my original point,i truly hope the GFA is a success but there can absolutely not under any circumstances abother act of decommissioning,that should be of vital importance,

When you talk about "success" in this term...exactly what do you mean? You hope that the other side capitulate? That they live up to what they agreed while you refuse to do likewise? After all - the GFA was about reacing compromise - something you threw out as unacceptable some posts back.

Oglaigh NA hEireann have every right should this process breakdown to resume their guerilla war against enemy forces,

No, they don't....unless you redefine what a right is. But hey...seince "Free" means "Socialist" in your dictionary, and "success" seems to mean "what we want to get out of it" as opposed to "what it was set out to achieve", I'm not surprised that you can say this with a straight face too.

obviously most people myself included do not want a return to war but the good Friday agreement has to be implemented properly in order for peace to be substained...

Where properly means "giving us what we want, with no compromise on our part" ??? Or do you actually mean "with both sides living up to all that they have agreed" like the word "properly" would actually imply in its regular usage?

jc

ionapaul

jonny68's views are what frightens me about any dealing with SF / IRA and the implications for the Irish and British political systems. I believe (a belief perhaps shared by the usual 'anti-IRA' posters here - I know must of us are anti-IRA but you know what I mean ) that a significant portion of SF's core constituency hold views somewhat similar to jonny68's, though obviously not as extreme. They see the rest of us as traitors to bully on their way to getting what they want. My greater fear is that the leaders of SF and the IRA think like this on the inside, but realise (correctly) that their current political manuveurings are of more use than a military campaign, and that ongoing criminality by the terrorist network will be hidden or only whispered about for fear of upsetting the 'peace process'.

'That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain'

I just don't trust them or believe that what they want is best for the people of Ireland, North and South, Unionist or Nationalist or neither (me!) What a pessimist I am...

Johnny_the_fox

ionapaul wrote:

jonny68's views are what frightens me about any dealing with SF / IRA and the implications for the Irish and British political systems.

thats where i think jonny68's views are completely different than SF / IRA. SF and IRA are moving for peace.. as they are talking and decommissioning. Slowly but surely.

jonny68

Johnny_the_fox wrote:

thats where i think jonny68's views are completely different than SF / IRA. SF and IRA are moving for peace.. as they are talking and decommissioning. Slowly but surely.

It seems just about everybody on this thread is anti Republican,i will try and furnish you all with a reply when i have more time...
I think your very much mistaken here,Republicans at grassroot level are totally opposed to another act of decommissioning,3 acts is more than enough,bigot Ian Paisley seems to be obsessed with getting rid of the IRA for good,he`s no fool,he knows himself should another act take place that is effectively the end of the road as regards the Provos..
he will then oppose every proposal put forward by Sinn Fein including demilitarisition,and will demand they join the policing board,FFS him and his bigoted party will not even engage in talks with SF,i personally believe (although i hope im wrong) that the GFA will fail,relations will slowly deteriorate between Sinn Fein and the two Goverments which could result in Oglaigh Na hEireann resuming their guerilla war against the British..its widely known that hardened Republicans from South Armagh are uneqivocally opposed to more arms being destroyed as are most members and
supporters of the Republican movement,this is the sticking issue here and if Sinn Fein do convince the Army Council of Oglaigh Na hEireann to decommission more weapons i could almost guarantee you there will be another split inthe ranks like there was in the 1990`s when the so called "RIRA" were formed,except this time it will be much bigger..these are the facts..

daveirl

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bonkey

jonny68 wrote:

It seems just about everybody on this thread is anti Republican

When you define "Republican" as the extremist version that you seem to be arguing for....yes, they pretty much are.

I think your very much mistaken here,Republicans at grassroot level are totally opposed to another act of decommissioning,3 acts is more than enough,

Right. Because thats what the GFA called for, wasn't it. 3 acts, after which you got to keep all the remaining weapons. While it didn't put a timetable on it, the GFA did call for decomissioning. You either support that or you don't, so please stop with this two-faced argument that you'd love to see the GFA properly suceed, but that there's no way you'd support some requirements which are intrinsic to that success.

Or when you say "no more decomissioning", do you mean "no more for now, but we accept that more must come somewhere in the future before a final solution can be reached"???

which could result in Oglaigh Na hEireann resuming their guerilla war against the British..

Yeah...keep insisting its a guerilla war. We'll believe that if its repeated enough.* Honest we will.* After all...thats why we think the IRA are terrorsits, isn't it?* Its not because there's any evidence, but simply because it was repeated to us often enough.*

jc

* may be sarcastic.

jonny68

daveirl wrote:

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So where do you stand on the issue then?your anti Republican yet dont endorse or like Paisley,bit confusing dont you think :rolleyes: ..id suggest you all to read several books on the history of this conflict,educate yourself, talk to Nationalist people who have suffered over the decades because of the British then you might change your viewpoint..in response your your question regarding the free state political parties,obviously (maybe with the exception of the FG blushirt bastards) they are not as bigoted as Paisley and the DUP,the only party there was "talk" (and thats all it was( of SF going into coalition with was Fianna Fail (The Republican Party LMFAO),and its still light years from happening so theres no point debating that right now...

daveirl

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Villain

jonny68, I am a republican, it's just I prefer to use politics rather guns. It's the likes of you that gives SF a bad name.

jonny68

bonkey wrote:

When you define "Republican" as the extremist version that you seem to be arguing for....yes, they pretty much are.


Right. Because thats what the GFA called for, wasn't it. 3 acts, after which you got to keep all the remaining weapons. While it didn't put a timetable on it, the GFA did call for decomissioning. You either support that or you don't, so please stop with this two-faced argument that you'd love to see the GFA properly suceed, but that there's no way you'd support some requirements which are intrinsic to that success.

Or when you say "no more decomissioning", do you mean "no more for now, but we accept that more must come somewhere in the future before a final solution can be reached"???



Yeah...keep insisting its a guerilla war. We'll believe that if its repeated enough.* Honest we will.* After all...thats why we think the IRA are terrorsits, isn't it?* Its not because there's any evidence, but simply because it was repeated to us often enough.*

jc

* may be sarcastic.

i couldnt give a flying fcuk what people like you think about guerilla war in Ireland,ive come across hundreds like you before,you think you know it all about the conflict in this country,but in reality you dont..the terms of the GFA DID NOT state that there would be 3/4/5 ,doesnt matter how many acts of decommissioning,it just said DECOMISSIONING..for the record i was in favour of the first 2 but only if there was change but what has become of it for Nationalist people in the north of this country?have things REALLY changed for the better?no they havent..the reality is sectarianism STILL exists,Catholics are still discriminated against,i know this as i have friends who are from the North..British soldiers are still on our streets,nothing`s changed,obversation posts high up on the hills in South Armagh are all mostly still there (no demilitirisation there),the British Army presence in South Armagh has contrary to popular belief not dramitically decreased,Loyalist terrorists are still active and have NOT decommissioned weapons whereas the IRA have carried out 3 acts,attacks on Catholics are still commonplace,recently a group of Catholic youths were badly beaten in Derry by loyalist thugs,luckily none were murdered....areas like the Short Strand in East Belfast are still under attack from Loyalists in surrounding areas,the same as interface areas in North Belfast,i could go on and on and on,everything ive mentioned and a whole lot more were all in the terms of the GFA yet absolutely none of these things have gone away,yet bigoted unionists are still demanding more from SF,the GFA has not been properly implemented,dont try and partionise me cos your sarcastic comments are lost on you..... :mad:

jonny68

irish1 wrote:

jonny68, I am a republican, it's just I prefer to use politics rather guns. It's the likes of you that gives SF a bad name.

Have you actually read anything ive written?Im ALL for politics,BUT should this process fail THEN a return to guerilla warfare is the only viable otion....

bonkey

jonny68 wrote:

educate yourself

Ah yes, that old chestnut. We disagree because we are uninformed.

A ferw minutes ago it was cause we hadn't experienced what you had. Seeing as that didn't work out, now its education that they're lacking...

Wrong again.

Next?

Hey..I know...maybe I'm a stinking communist. Or a dirty capitalist. Or maybe I'm just a scummy Unionist sympathiser in disguise. There must be some simple explanation for why you're right. If you keep going...who knows...you might find it!


jc

daveirl

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jonny68

bonkey wrote:

Ah yes, that old chestnut. We disagree because we are uninformed.

A ferw minutes ago it was cause we hadn't experienced what you had. Seeing as that didn't work out, now its education that they're lacking...

Wrong again.

Next?

Hey..I know...maybe I'm a stinking communist. Or a dirty capitalist. Or maybe I'm just a scummy Unionist sympathiser in disguise. There must be some simple explanation for why you're right. If you keep going...who knows...you might find it!



jc

With half the tripe your spouting id say you were uneducated about this conflict,as i said ive come across your type many many times,to me your as bad as unionists themselves...

bonkey

jonny68 wrote:

the terms of the GFA DID NOT state that there would be 3/4/5 ,doesnt matter how many acts of decommissioning,it just said DECOMISSIONING..

For a man telling others to educate themselves, here's an extract from the exact text of the GFA :

.All participants accordingly reaffirm their commitment to the total disarmament of all paramilitary organisations.

Care to explain to me how that gels with your assertion that there was no comittment to achieve full decomissioning? Or have you some other suggestion as to how total disarmament can be verifiably achieved?

What the GFA omitted to specify was a timeframe within which this had to be obtained. It set a 2-year deadline, but the wording didn't necessarily commit to decomissioning within that timeframe. Since the expiration of that timeframe, the obligation to work towards decomissioning has arguably lapsed but the commitment to achieve total disarmament has not.

You advocated holding the guns in order to facilitate a return to active war should total reunification under a socialist government not be peacefully achievable. That is a sentiment that is expressly in contradiction with the GFA, so no matter how many times you insist that you would like to see it succeed, your base stance makes success of hte GFA impossible.

the GFA has not been properly implemented,

No, it hasn't. Not by either side.

dont try and partionise me

Your attitude of "if you don't agree with me, you're inexperienced, underinformed, and just plain wrong to boot" , coupled with your initial reaction to being given a warning for breaking the rules means that you merit little more.

jc

Johnny_the_fox

tell me this jonny68..

i have previously lived uo the North

where in the north did you use to live and when did you live there?

I am from Derry. I have been splat on, punched and abused for being a catholic. But still I can I rise above the bigotry which the other side has put upon me. why? because I will not fall to their standards.

If anything you can learn from living in the north - life is more important.

marco murphy

Biggest bunch of SF bashers ive seen.Armed struggle might not have the same effect again,but id say we'll see it...

Cork

irish1 wrote:

jonny68, I am a republican, it's just I prefer to use politics rather guns. It's the likes of you that gives SF a bad name.

Irish1 - A very interesting article from the Irish Examiner about SF. Would it be fair to even suggest that SF is itself some what to blame for it's reputation?

Sinn Féin taxes our tolerance sometimes. For years the party has wanted to be taken seriously as a potential government partner north and south of the Border. However, at the same time it also wants to be free to pander to its own community (and make a few euro) by linking its websites to online stores for 'Sniper at Work' and other IRA paraphernalia.

We are repeatedly subjected to Sinn Féin talking in human rights-speak about the disadvantaged and oppressed but they also expect us to turn a deaf ear as they talk to their intimates about special medals and commemorations for those who have committed murder and mayhem.

The authoritative Lost Lives book estimates that of the 3,665 people killed as a result of the Troubles in Northern Ireland, 1,778 of them (48.5%) were killed by the IRA. Of those 1,778 killed by the IRA, 642 were civilian non-combatants. Thousands more were seriously injured and displaced. While such ceremonies may serve the republican movement's own short-term political needs they are a brutal affront to all, north and south, who have suffered pain at the IRA's hands.

Those of us who did not suffer direct loss or injury as a result of the Troubles are asked to be more moderate. At one level we should be glad that these IRA medals and commemoration ceremonies are being organised since they are said to be a prelude to the end of IRA military and criminal activities. However, it is only natural that the very idea of such medals and commemorations also makes many of us sick to our stomachs.

Irish Examiner

gandalf

jonny68 wrote:

With half the tripe your spouting id say you were uneducated about this conflict,as i said ive come across your type many many times,to me your as bad as unionists themselves...

Well maybe you should educate us and not bandy about personal abuse. This is a warning I see any more of this from you and I will decommission your access to this board for a week !