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The Unions. They're at it again

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    #32
    John_C
    Registered Users Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭John_C


    But bringing in new timetables to take account of a 48 hour week and the other aspects should not take more that 12 months to work out. It doesn't strike me as that complecated an issue. In my job (on the check out in tescos) we are timetabled to have the correct number of people on at each time of day and we have the various arrangements for notice of a change in days and things like that.
    I understand that Dublin Bus is a bigger company and the timetables are more complicated but I really don't see how after 12 months of negotiations something agreeable to both the drivers and the company can't have been worked out.
    To answer your point, I will be annoyed if bus services are disrupted over this because because it doesn't seem that difficult a problem to work out and I don't see how disrupting the busses will make the problem any easier.


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    #33
    oscarBravo
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    John_C wrote:
    I understand that Dublin Bus is a bigger company and the timetables are more complicated but I really don't see how after 12 months of negotiations something agreeable to both the drivers and the company can't have been worked out.
    Isn't this the company that took 26 years to negotiate single-operator buses?


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    #34
    Bloodychancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Bloodychancer


    John_C wrote:
    But bringing in new timetables to take account of a 48 hour week and the other aspects should not take more that 12 months to work out. It doesn't strike me as that complecated an issue. In my job (on the check out in tescos) we are timetabled to have the correct number of people on at each time of day and we have the various arrangements for notice of a change in days and things like that.
    I understand that Dublin Bus is a bigger company and the timetables are more complicated but I really don't see how after 12 months of negotiations something agreeable to both the drivers and the company can't have been worked out.
    To answer your point, I will be annoyed if bus services are disrupted over this because because it doesn't seem that difficult a problem to work out and I don't see how disrupting the busses will make the problem any easier.



    I agree with you that it should not take that long and that a solution should have been worked out by now.But negotiations can only take place were both sides are willing to negotiate.
    The companies position as I understand it is that this is legislation it has nothing to do with them and they are unwilling to do anything to alieviate the problems caused by the introduction.
    As I have already pointed out this has been known about for over 10 years that this was coming and the specifics of the Irish legislation since 1997.
    I can assure that bus Drivers do not want to be going on strike or be involved in any other form of industrial action 3 weeks before christmas we have families as well.

    I asked the question what other course the unions could take given the threat of implementation without agreement if you have one please share it with us and I would be only to happy to pass it on.


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    #35
    Bloodychancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Bloodychancer


    oscarBravo wrote:
    Isn't this the company that took 26 years to negotiate single-operator buses?

    No Dublin Bus was only established in 1987 2years after OPO started

    OPO was introduced in 1985 I was unaware that negotiations started in 1959 do you have a link to some source for that.


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    #36
    oscarBravo
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    Bloodychancer wrote:
    I asked the question what other course the unions could take given the threat of implementation without agreement if you have one please share it with us and I would be only to happy to pass it on.
    ...agreement?

    Just a thought.


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    #37
    Bloodychancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Bloodychancer


    oscarBravo wrote:
    ...agreement?

    Just a thought.


    I asked for an alternative to Industrial action in the absense of agreement obviously if there was agreement then there would not be any threat of Industrial action.


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    #38
    oscarBravo
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    Bloodychancer wrote:
    I asked for an alternative to Industrial action in the absense of agreement
    With respect, you didn't. You asked for an alternative to industrial action given the threat of implementation without agreement. I don't think it's too flippant to suggest that the alternative is to reach an agreement.


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    #39
    Bloodychancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Bloodychancer


    oscarBravo wrote:
    With respect, you didn't. You asked for an alternative to industrial action given the threat of implementation without agreement. I don't think it's too flippant to suggest that the alternative is to reach an agreement.


    With respect I think it is nothing but flippant the unions can not reach an agreement on their own.

    We all know that in the end that whatever changes happen will have to be negotiated and agreed the management know that they can not implement what they have threatened to do. Hopefully it will not require a strike to bring them to their senses.


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