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Marlow

Capri wrote: »

Are you making the 340 a six seater - 2+1 front bench :D

great 'shed' - room for a ramp an all, could do serious restoration in there !!

Nah. I'm converting the 340 to commercial and use it as a track car

As for the shed, I do have a 2 post lift here and what you see is about 1/4 of the space i have

/M

acmatman

Hermy

acmatman wrote: »

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Where did you get it?

Silvera

Hermy wrote: »

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Where did you get it?

British Army registration.
From an Army surplus auction/or collector in the UK?

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Hal1

Beautiful, what's the spec on her?

Jayo_M

Finally paid VRT on this during the week. Absolute farce of a price I had to pay.




Picked up a nice set of genuine SSR Longchamps to go on her, too.

Seweryn

Is it an RX series? If so, how do they calculate the motor tax on it and the VRT?

Jayo_M

Seweryn wrote: »

Is it an RX series? If so, how do they calculate the motor tax on it and the VRT?

Yea, RX7 FB. It's a 1.2, but in the UK it was registered as a 2.3. Should be able to get that changed to a 1.2 over here. They charge VRT at the highest rate of 36%. Charged me €1530 for VRT, and then added on some charges because it was here longer than 30 days, so €1655 altogether. Joke!

Seweryn

Jayo_M wrote: »

Yea, RX7 FB. It's a 1.2, but in the UK it was registered as a 2.3. Should be able to get that changed to a 1.2 over here.

2.3 :rolleyes:. Sure, they know how to charge, if things go the right way for a poor individual.

Jayo_M wrote: »

They charge VRT at the highest rate of 36%. Charged me €1530 for VRT, and then added on some charges because it was here longer than 30 days, so €1655 altogether. Joke!

Sweet Mother... The 36% is fair, as for the emissions, which are high on these, but the total figure looks mad. They value the car at around €4,250, if I am right.

Good Luck with the car, enjoy it!

Jayo_M

Yep, absolutely ridiculous to value it at that price. They valued them at around €3200 last year but reckoned they went up hugely in value over the past 12 months. How they justify this stuff, I'll never know! I'm appealing the price, so hopefully I get some cash back!

Silvera

Lovely looking RX7!
Last time I saw one that good was in New Zealand in 2004.

What year is it?

Jayo_M

Cheers, its a 1984 Series 3.

Capri

Jayo_M wrote: »

Yea, RX7 FB. It's a 1.2, but in the UK it was registered as a 2.3. Should be able to get that changed to a 1.2 over here. They charge VRT at the highest rate of 36%. Charged me €1530 for VRT, and then added on some charges because it was here longer than 30 days, so €1655 altogether. Joke!

Withn all due respect, so long as people don't do the homework on VRT / pay the ludicrous VRT and 'fines' here, the Revenue will never change :rolleyes:

We're a nation of whingers who just let ourselves be fleeced by the state :mad: We go to the UK to buy 'cheap' cars, then pay the huge taxes here, and are afraid to say we were fleeced by the state

I did the sums on my Merc, at the time I reckoned it'd be €7000 + €3000 VRT, then the same spec Irish one appeared on DD for €9000 when most were on DD at 12-16k

In my case I deprived the Revenue of €3000 that, IMO, is legalised State robbery - considering in the UK you pay a nominal amount to import any car.;)

Jayo_M

I don't get what you're saying in regards to 'do the homework'? The value they put on it is entirely at their discretion, and you can't appeal until after the tax is paid. So what would you have done? Refuse to pay? That would be great and all until the car gets lifted for being on UK plates.

By the way, I didn't go to the UK to by a cheap car. I went to Galway to buy the best FB RX-7 I came across on the island.

Seweryn

Capri wrote: »

Withn all due respect, so long as people don't do the homework on VRT / pay the ludicrous VRT and 'fines' here, the Revenue will never change :rolleyes:

For a rare car like this one, Revenue will not provide a VRT rate until you bring the car for an inspection. I was in the same situation and decided not to buy the car I was interested in, as they couldn't tell me how much VRT they will charge.

macplaxton

Seweryn wrote: »

Is it an RX series? If so, how do they calculate the motor tax on it and the VRT?

Jayo_M wrote: »

Yea, RX7 FB. It's a 1.2, but in the UK it was registered as a 2.3. Should be able to get that changed to a 1.2 over here.

Motor tax cc:

Single chamber size = 573cc
Number of rotors = 2
cc=1146cc 2292cc

and here's why:

ROAD VEHICLES (REGISTRATION AND LICENSING) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 1992. wrote:

Calculation of cylinder capacity.

27. (1) For the purposes of any rate of duty specified in the Schedule to the Act of 1952, the cylinder capacity of the engine of any vehicle shall be:—


( a ) in the case of any vehicle deriving its motive power wholly from an internal combustion engine;


(i) in the case of a single cylinder engine, the cylinder capacity attributable to the cylinder;


(ii) in the case of an engine having two or more cylinders, the sum of the cylinder capacities attributable to the separate cylinders; and the cylinder capacity attributable to any cylinder of an internal combustion engine shall be:—


(I) in the case of a cylinder having a single piston, the product expressed in cubic centimetres of the square of the internal diameter of such cylinder measured in centimetres and the distance through which the piston associated with that cylinder moves during one-half of a revolution of the engine crankshaft measured in centimetres multiplied by 0.7854; and


(II) in the case of a cylinder having more than one piston, the sum of the products expressed in cubic centimetres of the square of the internal diameter of each part of the cylinder in which a piston moves measured in centimetres and the distance through which the position associated with that diameter moves during one-half of a revolution of the engine crankshaft measured in centimetres multiplied by 0.7854.


( b ) in the case of any vehicle deriving its motive power wholly from a rotary piston engine the total cylinder capacity attributable to the rotary-pistons calculated in respect of each rotary-piston by dividing the displacement volume attributable to the rotary-piston by half the number of output shaft revolutions for one revolution of the rotary piston ;


( c ) in the case of any vehicle deriving its power wholly from a steam engine, the effective heating surface of the boiler supplying steam to such engine, at the rate of one cubic centimetre for every 22.3 square centimetres in such heating surface, and the effective heating surface shall be taken to be:—


(i) in the case of a boiler having horizontal or approximately horizontal tubes, the whole of that surface of the tubes which is exposed to the flame or hot gases;


(ii) in the case of a boiler having vertical or approximately vertical tubes, half of that surface of the tubes which is exposed to the flame or hot gases.


(2) In this article:—


"rotary-piston engine" means an engine with one or more rotary-pistons, each of which produces power by acting on an eccentric which is directly attached to an output shaft;


"output shaft" means a shaft to which a rotary-piston is directly coupled without gearing or other similar devices intervening;


"displacement volume attributable to the rotary-piston" means the difference between the maximum and minimum volumes, expressed in cubic centimetres, of a single working chamber based on a working flank of the rotary-piston multiplied by a number of working flanks of the rotary-piston.

So single chamber size = 573cc
Number of working flanks = 3
Multiplied together = 1719cc
Number of rotors = 2
Multiplied together = 3438cc
Half the number of output shaft revolutions for one revolution of the rotary piston = 1.5
3438/1.5 = 2292cc

So unless the Revenue have changed how they calculate the cc of a Wankel engine (or employ persons unable to do the required maths), then that's how they should work it out.

Jayo_M

Yeah, I know thats how they figure it out but there have been guys who have there 7's and 8's taxed as a 1.2 or 1.3. A lot of it comes down to whether you can get a dealer to sign off on the change of particulars form. I'm not too worried about that though either, I'm happy enough to pay the tax on it as it is. The cars worth it

Capri

I don't get what you're saying in regards to 'do the homework'? The value they put on it is entirely at their discretion, and you can't appeal until after the tax is paid. So what would you have done? Refuse to pay? That would be great and all until the car gets lifted for being on UK plates.

By the way, I didn't go to the UK to by a cheap car. I went to Galway to buy the best FB RX-7 I came across on the island.

Seweryn wrote: »

For a rare car like this one, Revenue will not provide a VRT rate until you bring the car for an inspection. I was in the same situation and decided not to buy the car I was interested in, as they couldn't tell me how much VRT they will charge.

THAT'S what I mean by 'do the homework' - the 'homework' being basically that Revenue have you by the balls once you've embarked on the route of buying a UK (or other) car.

You bought a UK reg car in Ireland ?

1) WHY didn't the seller register it first ( Because he knew the VRT was enormous ?? ) OR , if he was a 'dealer' then why did he let you do the donkey work ?

2) IF you had brought it to Revenue before buying it , then they possibly would have seized it as it was an 'illegal' in the country

3) The 'solution' to this , as Seweryn did basically , was to deprive the state of revenue if the state can't be upfront about how much they're going to charge ( The state is saying, ' bring your toy to us and we'll think of a figure, if you decide not to pay us, we'll seize your toy and you'll still end up paying us :D ' )

I'm happy enough to pay the tax on it as it is. The cars worth it

There you have it in a nutshell


Two examples of personal experiences -
1) wanted to bring in R Rover P38 as commercial, asked Revenue for specs so I could convert , Revenue said I should get it converted and certified by 'Qualified engineer', but they 'couldn't give me a list of Qualified engineers'
Result - RR sold for 'spares' :p , no revenue for state
2) Friend bought Cossie 3dr, asked Revenue for VRT ' circa €3k' they said, - and VRT for Cossie 4dr 'circa €700' - 'Why the difference?' ' Our 'expert' tells us the 3drs is a collectors car '
Result - Cossie garaged,taxed and driven in the North when he wants a blast

Revenue - constantly shooting themselves in the foot :p

Jayo_M

Yep, the guy I bought it off didn't want to pay the VRT.

I was under no illusions about how the VRT 'system' works, and knew I'd be getting hit pretty hard and had the opportunity to sell it on after I found out how much they wanted. But I still wanted a clean FB, and this is one of the cleanest around. So, I don't really see any solution other than paying it?

gambithh

picked up this mint uk gt coupe.not to be confused with the common boy raced ragged twin cam.

122,000 with full history from new,iam only the third owner in the republic (last owner 13 years!).4 original keys from factory.
never mess with or welded,got two new wings and a drivers door and new lights front and back thats it.

Ded_Zebra

That is pure gorgeous! I'm seriously jealous of ya :D

How long were you looking to get such a clean one?

Jayo_M

Wow, that is one mint (as in actually mint, not donedeal mint!) 86. I'm sure it set you back a bit but you would have a hard time finding one as clean as that these days!

Capri

Jayo_M wrote: »

Yep, the guy I bought it off didn't want to pay the VRT.

I was under no illusions about how the VRT 'system' works, and knew I'd be getting hit pretty hard and had the opportunity to sell it on after I found out how much they wanted. But I still wanted a clean FB, and this is one of the cleanest around. So, I don't really see any solution other than paying it?

That's ok then, so long as you were in command of your senses It's a rotten stupid system that I refuse to 'pay into' - the Revenue get VRT/VAT off the first buyer of a new car in the state so if I can find a good original Irish car I'll buy it rather than 'contribute' more tax to them :mad:

picked up this mint uk gt coupe.not to be confused with the common boy raced ragged twin cam.

122,000 with full history from new,iam only the third owner in the republic (last owner 13 years!).4 original keys from factory.
never mess with or welded,got two new wings and a drivers door and new lights front and back thats it.

VERY valuable machine considering Toyota's new FT86 'homage' to the original - I'd be keeping it under lock and key, or sell it to Toyota UK :cool:

gambithh

Thanks lads wasnt sure if it would be appreciated here.its a 10k cam,but i dont mind as its a keeper.iam a member on ae86irl.com for a few years,great website so i always kept my eye out.

iv had a 6k donedeal cam and iv found there and to get the up to the standard of this one it wouldnt stop at 10k.

There really is no such thing as a cheap twin cam

Capri

Had a black A60L Supra back in the day ( bought Ciaran Haughey's written off A60P for parts !) - there was also a rust/red one around on the southside that was garaged most of the time :cool:

Jayo_M

Very true, even rough ones go for a a few k. Same sort of deal as mk1 and 2 Escorts, impossible to pick up a cheap one. A buddy of mine has a 'well used' notch-back Trueno, they really are such a cool little machine to be in.

Thinkingaboutit

This is mine, a Wolseley 16/60, 1971. I posted these pictures on the Cambridge Oxford owners club site - cannot be bothered to switch on the desktop at this time.



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Capri

Same colour as a neighbour of mine bought off Chapmans of Kildare back in the 60's, remember going down in his Wolseley 1500 trade-in to collect the new motor - he traded in the 16/60 for a new VW 1600TL fastback afterwards.:cool:

Thinkingaboutit

An uncle bought a green one new, that came to grief (turned over) in Tara street due to a drunken friend breaking lights to impress some girls hitting a blameless taxi. I know of another from 71 in that colour. I wonder if maroon was used more on the cars later in its model life. The two tone ended some time in the mid sixties.