Paddy Power Poker Vs Poker Stars

NeVeR

I was playing on ppp for over a year but i got sick of people playing bad and out drawing me,,, happens to everyone i know...

So i moved to pokerstars and i dont know why but most of the players there are more professional then ppp. If i raise with a good hand, 80% of the time people respect that. Where on ppp you could get someone re-reasing you with muck ,,, (and winning)

I've checked my earnings and since playing on Pokerstars I’ve won over $400 in 3 days playing $1/$2 nl. where on paddypower i would have lost in around the same....

Anyone else find changing poker rooms has helped them,,

Or is it just me playing differently...

DapperGent

I like pokerstars becuase I'm concentrating on MTTs at the moment and they have the largest ones with very good structures.

I found the cashgames on Tribeca (PPP etc) far looser and more profitable than on Stars.

Daithio

I like stars because the multis are so good, but I like PPP because the players are so bad. I can't understand people complaining about bad players, is this not what you want?

NeVeR

well yes you do want bad players,,, but bad players that catch the river to beat you when they shouldnt have been there from the start.... thats what p!sses me off.

ntlbell

Daithio wrote:

I like stars because the multis are so good, but I like PPP because the players are so bad. I can't understand people complaining about bad players, is this not what you want?

I think for cash games it might be what you want but I only play MTT/STT and I just can't play against bad players maybe that's a problem with my own game and not being able to adjust.

Moving to PS from PPP was the best thing I've ever done, people actually laying down a hand......

Ste05

ntlbell wrote:

Moving to PS from PPP was the best thing I ever done, people actually laying down a hand......

I'm the very same, I find it alot more profitable playing against players that have a rough idea what they're doing, and what I'm representing, I just can find it boring playing against bad players, it's just so hard to work out what they are playing with and Nut peddling can get quite boring and repetitive....

If I was playing for a living I'd love these morons but as a casual player and not having many hours each day to play or the BR to play at higher levels, I prefer to play in games where it's possible to maneuviour (sp??) people off better hands....

Washout

NeVeR wrote:

well yes you do want bad players,,, but bad players that catch the river to beat you when they shouldnt have been there from the start.... thats what p!sses me off.

dude...but surely if your playing the odds....and playing your good hands correctly then over time you should be coming out ahead! trouble usually comes when you start chaging your style of play because of bad beats (TILT alert) ...it happens without realising. you WANT these loose bad players to keep calling your good hands. eventually they will be sucked out and you want to be the person doing it.

if you know bad players to be re-raising you with muck and they are offering you the odds then you have to suck up the bad beats because over time i believe you should come out a winner.

Lafortezza

Soft cash games and tables of bad players should be the first thing you look for if you want to play poker for money.
PPP has this. Party Poker has this.

Why do people always want to play against 'reasonable' players who don't do stupid stuff but are slightly worse than average, instead of a table of any-two-cards mouse bashing monkeys?

The Troll

I prefer Trobeca cash by a mile as I find most of the people playing there are loose calling stations and are happy to bleed away money.

DapperGent

NeVeR wrote:

well yes you do want bad players,,, but bad players that catch the river to beat you when they shouldnt have been there from the start.... thats what p!sses me off.

So let me get this straight you want to play against bad players but you think that bad players are more likely to draw out on you on Paddy Power than they are on Pokerstars?

Ste05

lafortezza wrote:

Why do people always want to play against 'reasonable' players who don't do stupid stuff but are slightly worse than average, instead of a table of any-two-cards mouse bashing monkeys?

My reason is that I find it boring and less profitable playing against these players, simple as that.... if you're at a table and you raise 5x BB with AA, the chances of you winning that hand is probably at least 65-70% to win the pot against one player, however if you're at a table against these monkeys, and you get 4 or 5 callers (well possible) your chance of winning that hand goes down to probably around 35-40% - so that is why I prefer to play at a table where I'm the best player, but the rest of them have a rough idea what they're doing. I just target specific players and aim for their whole stacks.

To me good table selection is one that everyone has full stacks are slightly loose but not stupidly so.....

If I had the time I'd obviously prefer to just nut peddle against a table of monkeys, but when you only have 2 or 3 hours a night I like to play as outlined above....

I'm sure this isn't optimal but it's just what I do and find more profitable.....

roryc

I agree with everything in this thread.... but you do know they're all rigged right? I think this is clearly a case of PPP sending some of its customers to pokerstars (by giving them a lot of bad beats on Paddy Power), so as not to arouse too much suspicion about all the money they are taking off us. Obviously!!

Pokerstars will send their customers back in a while, don't you worry

Lafortezza

Ste05 wrote:

if you're at a table and you raise 5x BB with AA, the chances of you winning that hand is probably at least 65-70% to win the pot against one player, however if you're at a table against these monkeys, and you get 4 or 5 callers (well possible) your chance of winning that hand goes down to probably around 35-40% -

So you have the choice of playing a headsup pot of 10xBB with a 65% chance to win, or a 5-way pot of ~25xBB with a 35% chance to win? I know variance is a pain in the ass but...

Washout

roryc wrote:

I agree with everything in this thread.... but you do know they're all rigged right?

we have all thought that at some stage for sure..... my conspiracy theory was that the networks were using a bot programs as players which interacted with the deck shuffling program knowing what board was coming up

roryc

No no no, Paddy Power and the entire online poker industry is being RUN by these robots, or 'overlord bots' as they like to be called. They are clearly starting to destroy the poker industry in an evil bid to take over the world series of poker!!!!


emmm....... just my two cents?

Ste05

lafortezza wrote:

So you have the choice of playing a headsup pot of 10xBB with a 65% chance to win, or a 5-way pot of ~25xBB with a 35% chance to win? I know variance is a pain in the ass but...

you've probably got it in one there, that is probably why I prefer those games,:rolleyes: never really thought about it like that really, but that is what's it's about when I think about it, I'm just a boring auld fart, and prefer the safe slowly slowly increasing my stack instead of these new sporty type fella's that go for broke.;)
I'd prefer the boring Harrington type game as opposed to the Hanson type.... hmmmmmm

NeVeR

what they need is a real live poker room.. using web cams .... you see your cards and you see the dealer shuffling the deck and it's a live feed with no break downs that would be cool.... no bots then..

ionapaul

NeVeR wrote:

what they need is a real live poker room.. using web cams .... you see your cards and you see the dealer shuffling the deck and it's a live feed with no break downs that would be cool.... no bots then..

Unless it was a T1000...and Skynet were involved somehow

SavageBeat

NeVeR wrote:

what they need is a real live poker room.. using web cams .... you see your cards and you see the dealer shuffling the deck and it's a live feed with no break downs that would be cool.... no bots then..

I think that would be called a casino
Seriously if your tired of playing faceless opponents, just drop down to your local. Alot more craic.

Iago

Ste05 wrote:

If I had the time I'd obviously prefer to just nut peddle against a table of monkeys, but when you only have 2 or 3 hours a night I like to play as outlined above....

I'm sure this isn't optimal but it's just what I do and find more profitable.....

In 3 hours online you could play up to 15 $25 STT's on PPP, with an expected return of 42% ITM finishes and a split between 38-33-29 for 1st,2nd,3rd.

Investment = $412.5
Total Prize Money = $543
Profit = $130.5
Hourly Rate = $43.5

Now you won't do this every night but over time this is an average that's achievable. If you move up or down the levels then the financial return changes. To do this you don't need to play perfect poker or wait for the nuts before acting.

I love PPP because I can consistently make a reasonable hourly rate from the STTs there, the lack of rakeback kills me so I'm playing on full tilt more, but PPP is the easiest site I've found for STT's and it's an almost guaranteed return for me every month, so I'll take those tables anyday!

JustMac

Iago wrote:

In 3 hours online you could play up to 15 $25 STT's on PPP

Don't want to go off subject but:
Are you talking multi-tabling here? Just recently started playing online and started with PPP. Have played a few $5 and $10 Speed STTs. Are the Speed STTs really frowned upon by good players as a crapshoot? Don't get too much time online and don't have a big bankroll but trying to squeeze in as much play as possible.

Iago

yeah, sorry should have clarified. I would normally 3-4 table the STTs here, most of your preflop decisions are automatic anyway so you can stay ahead without any trouble. Only gets painful when you're down to the last 3 on a couple of tables at the same time and pushing to win them all!!

For me I never play the speed STT's, I think they take away from the game and really you can't afford to play your way out of trouble with the format, for me anyway.

JustMac

Iago wrote:

For me I never play the speed STT's, I think they take away from the game and really you can't afford to play your way out of trouble with the format, for me anyway.

I'm guessing that is mild compared to what other people on the board might say about them. Been a lurker. Must post a thread one of these days to get some more advice. Definitely not up to multitabling but can't stand the thought of playing for over an hour on a $5 STT. Would proabably improve my poker though.

willis

Iago wrote:

yeah, sorry should have clarified. I would normally 3-4 table the STTs here, most of your preflop decisions are automatic anyway so you can stay ahead without any trouble. Only gets painful when you're down to the last 3 on a couple of tables at the same time and pushing to win them all!!

Iago why dont you play the 6 seater stts instead of 9 seater, i reckon you would see a huge increase in your hourly rate. The blinds are less crazy as there are only 6 players so better players should win more and it becomes less of a lottery. you only have to beat 4 players to get ITM instead of 6 in the 9 seaters. and you can play more of them in less time.

r3l4x

Both of them are bad.. PokerStars = RiverStars

Lafortezza

r3l4x wrote:

Both of them are bad.. PokerStars = RiverStars

Are you suggesting that online poker might not be totally legit? :v:

Imposter

r3l4x wrote:

Both of them are bad.. PokerStars = RiverStars

I think we need a newbie forum in the rejig so that we can become properly elitist while also allowing the n00bs to get all that "Online poker is rigged" thing out of their systems

Nulty

Paddy power is definitely rigged. have you played there or what??

their cash tables have people who:

A) Dont talk, I mean for hours on end EVER

They make the dumbest calls on the planet

C) They play tonnes of tables at the same time

This can only mean one thing

The place is infested with poker playing robots!!!:mad::mad::mad:

The tounaments arent but the cash games definitely. for over twenty hands consecutively there were no calls or reraises. HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN???

I witnessed this. Also I bet heavily into a JJX flop only to get called to the showdown and the guy (or robot) was holding 1010. HOW STUPID CAN A PERSON BE>???:eek:

I'm convinced. And its not because i lost heaps of money.....

flushje

Nulty wrote: »

Paddy power is definitely rigged. have you played there or what??

their cash tables have people who:

A) Dont talk, I mean for hours on end EVER

They make the dumbest calls on the planet

C) They play tonnes of tables at the same time

This can only mean one thing

The place is infested with poker playing robots!!!:mad::mad::mad:

The tounaments arent but the cash games definitely. for over twenty hands consecutively there were no calls or reraises. HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN???

I witnessed this. Also I bet heavily into a JJX flop only to get called to the showdown and the guy (or robot) was holding 1010. HOW STUPID CAN A PERSON BE>???:eek:

I'm convinced. And its not because i lost heaps of money.....

lolly, really.

Grafter

You've been working on this response for 3 years?

Lurker1977

Move up levels to where they respect your raises imo.