FIFA grow some balls!!!

homerjay540

i am sick and tired of hearing of "appaling" racist scenes at football matches, followed by one or two days of hard hitting news coverage and then the nominal €30,000 or so fine. fifa and uefa in my opinion have a duty to protect players from racial abuse but the penalties they hand out do nothing to prevent the abuse happening in the future.

following Marco Zoro's recient stand against racial abuse this issue has once again being thrown into the spotlight. as a result, next weeks cup matches will be delayed by 5 minutes while the players parade anti racism slogans. in about two weeks the whole issue will be forgotten about and the racism will continue. it is time for uefa to act. uefa officials should report back after every game and in cases where abuse occured and no action was taken the team should have to play their next home game behind closed doors.
if celtic and rangers can introduce a policy of life bans for anybody making sectarian chants then there is no reason why clubs across europe cannot do the same with racism.

racism might be in ones everyday life. in ones country/city/local supermarket/pub etc. soccer should be a way to get away from all that. a means of strengthening ties between different communities not killing them off. uefa and fifa have the power to do something about this ... if only they had the balls to stand up to these ignorant racists.

Kingp35

Well said but sadly FIFA dont have any balls and I cant it changing any time soon. Fair play to the players for organising this protest and I hope it gains the attention it deserves

deisedevil

homerjay540 wrote:

i am sick and tired of hearing of "appaling" racist scenes at football matches, followed by one or two days of hard hitting news coverage and then the nominal €30,000 or so fine. fifa and uefa in my opinion have a duty to protect players from racial abuse but the penalties they hand out do nothing to prevent the abuse happening in the future.

I think FIFA have to start fining clubs VERY heavily. Force clubs to take matters into their own hands and start banning people from stadiums,life bans at that. Any racists who don't care too much about the club will keep up their chants and eventually get caught out and be removed and racists who are loyal supporters will keep their mouths closed for fear of a lifetime ban. FIFA got to get serious about the punishments though, no use slappin wrists!

ziggy

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homerjay540

ziggy67 wrote:

Well said Homerjay, agree with all of that.

I think the only way its going to stop is if players walk off the park.

i actually agree with that. while some may say that is giving in to them it is actually forcing fifa/uefa to do something.
imagine somebody walked off the pitch in protest in a world cup final. fifa would be brought to their knees and it would be all their own fault.

Pigman II

You shouldn't stop mid-game. You shouldn't fine the clubs too just because they have racists in the ground either

Best thing the could do is treat attendees like hooligans and give them lifetime ground bans if they're caught on video spewing chants. Have fines and bans on the clubs at that point if they are seen not to be upholding the policy.

Players and teams walking off the pitch is the worst thing to do as it'll give a feeling of control and power to the racists.

ziggy

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homerjay540

Pigman II wrote:

You shouldn't stop mid-game. You shouldn't fine the clubs too just because they have racists in the ground either

Best thing the could do is treat attendees like hooligans and give them lifetime ground bans if they're caught on video spewing chants. Have fines and bans on the clubs at that point if they are seen not to be upholding the policy.

Players and teams walking off the pitch is the worst thing to do as it'll give a feeling of control and power to the racists.

it would definately be a sad day if it came (or when it comes) to players walking off the pitch. and all the above mentioned procedures should be implemented first. however. if and when fifa/uefa fail to act in a meaningfull manner and it is the players' last resort, it should definately be done.

im actually not sure how happy/proud the racist jeerers would be when they realise that their actions have lead to them not being able to watch their own team play. less still when they realise they have an angry mob after them for ruining the day for everybody.

Rikand

ziggy67 wrote:

Well said Homerjay, agree with all of that.

I think the only way its going to stop is if players walk off the park.

west ham Vs chelsea.... chelsea are 2-0 down, about to overtaken by blackburn for the premiership ( well i can dream )....drogba walks up to the ref, someone shouted ****** at me...ref takes them off the pitch, match abandoned, replayed at a later date, chelsea win 3-0 and win the league.

I LOVE IT!




errr . . . .

bohsman

Dont know if the racists follow football but the real Inter fans would have turned on them had the match been stopped as they were winning

mchurl

Rickylovesuall wrote:

west ham Vs chelsea.... chelsea are 2-0 down, about to overtaken by blackburn for the premiership ( well i can dream )....drogba walks up to the ref, someone shouted ****** at me...ref takes them off the pitch, match abandoned, replayed at a later date, chelsea win 3-0 and win the league.

I LOVE IT!




errr . . . .

Good point and i dont think the players shuld walk off the pitch or the match be called off. As soon as the match is over the fa or fifa or whoever is in charge of the game in question should com out with a statement and say that the club in question have to play their next 3 home game behind closed with no if'sor but's. This will hopefully put an end to the racism currently in football.

bohsman

mchurl wrote:

Good point and i dont think the players shuld walk off the pitch or the match be called off. As soon as the match is over the fa or fifa or whoever is in charge of the game in question should com out with a statement and say that the club in question have to play their next 3 home game behind closed with no if'sor but's. This will hopefully put an end to the racism currently in football.

Thats not going to happen till the players first take it in their own hands and walk off the pitch or at the very least hold the match up and go directly to the 4th official every time

homerjay540

unfortunately i tend to agree with bohsman here. hopefully i am wrong tho

ziggy

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Rikand

ziggy67 wrote:

I meant just walk off the pitch, not even wait for the ref to abandon the game. Fair enough you took the example to the extreme but it may be the only way that some action finally gets taken.

Blackburn for the Premiership

I LOVE THAT!

true, did take it to the very extreme, but if it came to be, i could so see it being exploited by a a number of teams hoping to gain an advantage.

Though i can see blackburn having problems with it, cant imagine robbie savage getting away with someone calling him a damn whitey and trying to get us to march off the field when someone hammering us

mchurl

it has the potential to be a huge problem if players were to walk off the field each time. For instance if there is a big relegation battle and a certain team is losing their fans can then start racist chants and that would result in the game being abandoned. Also if someone was to place a huge bet on a game and it didnt look like the bet was going to come through they could then do the same thing to get the game abandoned. It could lead to a lot of problems

ziggy

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mchurl

Rickylovesuall wrote:

west ham Vs chelsea.... chelsea are 2-0 down, about to overtaken by blackburn for the premiership ( well i can dream )....drogba walks up to the ref, someone shouted ****** at me...ref takes them off the pitch, match abandoned, replayed at a later date, chelsea win 3-0 and win the league.

I LOVE IT!




errr . . . .

This is the original quote i was working off in which the game would be replayed and not be awarded to the opposing team

masterK

I'm surprised that the issue of criminal charges for racial abuse has never been raised, if the police were to start arresting people for making racial remarks during football games it would send out a clear message to everybody else.

Could you imagine it, police officer standing beside crowd hears a racist remark, walks over slaps handcuffs on the offender and escorts them from the ground you can be sure that those around him will soon quiten up. I know it's not possible to arrest every single person who makes a racist remark during a game but at least if the police were seen to be cracking down it would make anybody else thinking of making a racist chant think twice.

mchurl

masterK wrote:

I'm surprised that the issue of criminal charges for racial abuse has never been raised, if the police were to start arresting people for making racial remarks during football games it would send out a clear message to everybody else.

Could you imagine it, police officer standing beside crowd hears a racist remark, walks over slaps handcuffs on the offender and escorts them from the ground you can be sure that those around him will soon quiten up. I know it's not possible to arrest every single person who makes a racist remark during a game but at least if the police were seen to be cracking down it would make anybody else thinking of making a racist chant think twice.

agreed and even if it wasnt to happen during the match but after if the police study cctv footage it would still send out a clear and concise message

RuggieBear

http://unison.ie/breakingnews/index.php3?ca=94&si=83350

Former Arsenal midfielder Patrick Vieira was racially abused during today's clash at Fiorentina, according to Juventus team-mate Emerson.

Emerson said Senegal-born Vieira was abused by the home fans at the Artemio Franchi Stadium in his team's 2-1 triumph against the Viola.

"Vieira has been the victim of racist insults,'' said Emerson after the game. "It's very sad to see that something like this still happens.''

The claims come just a week after racism made an unwelcome return to the spotlight in Serie A after Ivory Coast player Marco Zoro of Messina was insulted in last Sunday's league against against Inter Milan and threatened to walk off in protest.

The latest incident will no doubt upset the Italian Football Federation, who had launched an innitiative to combat racism with all games this week having a five-minute delay as a protest.

redspider

In terms of stopping Racist abuse, the only way to deter fans doing it is not only to punish the fans concerned, but also punish all the fans ofthat club, so that hopefully peer pressure would eliminate it in time. It is pointless for the players walking off, apart from highlighting the issue, and for the clubs to be fined. Punishing all the fans would include things like all fans being banned for the next match, etc. Imagine a team who's fans were cited for racism and them having to play a home match with only away fans allowed in, etc. Closed doors punishes both sets of fans so is not viable. The punishment has to hit the perpretraor and act as a deterrent for those many who have yet to be caught, or have yet to commit.

But racist taunts and abuse raises an issue which is hard to deal with, some might say its even part of the game, and thats to do with taunts in general. eg: when a player goes to the sideline and he gets abused by the fans, ridiculed. He may a causasian, but he gets shouted at, etc, its abuse, not racially motivated, but its abuse all the same. Players tune it out, they have had to over the years from the time they were playing u-10's!

And all players who have played in goals, taken corners, throw-ins, etc, on a regular basis get a huge share of abuse. So, this raises the question, just because racist abuse is easy to spot, does it mean that all other abuse should be allowed? You know the sort, name-calling, hand gestures, etc.

This type of abuse endemic in the game, and for many of these fans its a "let-off" once a week. But that doesnt excuse it and its questionable if it should be allowed to the extent that it is. FIFA have gone down the road of play fair, although that doesnt stop 100's of players from diving, coniving and getting up to all sorts of shenanigans not to play fair. Maybe clubs need to take the initiative and promote Good Manners, etc. Another example is the booing at national anthems, etc.

I dont have a solution for it, but I think everyone who discusses the racist abuse, which clearly shouldnt be in the sport, needs to think about all abuse in general, some which is taken for granted. Its a learning point that for those who do the racist abuse, they see no difference between that and the other abuse.

redspider