Opinion On Polish People

dimejinky99

Almost entirely the Poles Ive met are hardcore disdainful of Irish people and thing we are 'pigs'-their word not mine. I can understand a lot of the sentiment given where these Polish people choose to socialise but is it fair entirely? I dont think so.

Jenroche

I've worked with a few poles and most of them are fairly ok, apart from one young one in the office who was the whiniest little bitch I ever met. Wasn't sorry to see the back of her.

Apart from that they seem ok and have a good work ethic.

Jen ;->

Johnny Giles

If you want to know...



...I really hate Polish people. They are disgusting.

PaulieD

The Poles are generally a sound group of people. The problemis the sheer number of them in Ireland, it is unsustainable. It was lunacy for Ireland to give the eastern europeans free access to our labour market.

PaulieD

dimejinky99 wrote: »

Almost entirely the Poles Ive met are hardcore disdainful of Irish people and thing we are 'pigs'-their word not mine. I can understand a lot of the sentiment given where these Polish people choose to socialise but is it fair entirely? I dont think so.

No, no it is not. We have given these people an opportunity to earn mulitple amounts that they would earn at home. Dont bite the hand that feeds you and all that....

mikemac

I can't remember the last time I saw a left hand drive car from Eastern Europe.
Either they paid VRT and got a new car, not likely!
Or they've gone home over the last year and a half.

If I had one bad thing to say about the Poles it was the antics of some of their drivers.
Now you'll say Irish boyracers live in every town and village and that's true. Desperate drivers come from all ages and backgrounds.

But just giving the only bad example I have and that's to answer the OP. Maybe I just noticed the cars more easily, check back boards two years ago and we have many threads on this topic

dimejinky99

I ususally work in bars when I could find work and there's no way is this meant to sound sound racist but it's pointless applying for a bar job now if your Irish and dont know the manager/owner personally. Irish barman gets paid in the region of 10-15 euro per hour. The Chinese and Eastern block communities are doing longer shifts for minimum wage, and while that's not their fault, it's the publicans and managers involved, this practice is in a lot of the service industries and is strangling our domestic workforces capability to earn.
Three of my mates are Managers and assistant managers and this practice happens in each of the bars they work in in the city centre.
Again, not the immigrant populations problem or fault, but an unwelcome symptom of the unsustainable numbers here.

DO'Carlo/Wex

PaulieD wrote: »

The Poles are generally a sound group of people. The problemis the sheer number of them in Ireland, it is unsustainable. It was lunacy for Ireland to give the eastern europeans free access to our labour market.

Eastern Europeans were & are coming from a Lower Cost Based Economy.
They were damn-right to take advantage (if that's the correct word?) to exploit a demand for staff in most if not all sectors in Ireland.
Don't forget the history of Irish Immigrants. They say we built the world.
Well maybe we did but in comparison to the foreign labour over here they'd've been an awful lot quicker at it!
Also, when our' wages were "poor" or low, what did Paddy & Mickser do?
Why we pegged-it off to Blighty, France, US & Germany etc. not to mention the masses that go to Oz to work in theory but mainly to urinate it all up against a wall.
Can't have it both ways.
When we ratified the Nice Treaty we gave permission for 8 (?) New Countries to join EU & in May 2004 that happened.
It was a watershed in our' history of immigration & there'd
have to be another referendum for it to be reversed.
That Referendum would probably involve us leaving the EU which has helped fill all the potholes of this country, has dveloped infrastructure & helped attract investment.

We might be in a recession now but without Immigrant Labour we wouldn't've had a Celtic Tiger in my opinion.
I worked in a factory & everybody on floor got paid same Irish or Foreign.
But by God I'll tell you the foreigners earned it, every penny/cent & more.
& they deserved it & more.
The Irish?
Took smoke breaks. Came in hungover. Or not at all. Tardiness was a big issue. 15 Min. breaks often turned into 20 regularly. 30 became 35.
I remember place I worked 3 Irish Women came in & started on floor.
8.30-10.30 & then 1st Break. Got into their' car & drove off.
No courtesy in saying this isn't for us etc.
Is it any wonder when you see that crap that we employ foreigners?
They drove our' economy & shouldn't be scapegoated now that it's suffering.
It's not their' fault. They didn't facilitate the boom. If anything they were the ones saving & working the long-hours so they'd no time to spend.
I strongly feel & hope they'll be the ones who'll help get us back out of it again.

Just as an anecdote. I was a spectator at a recent court case (Kilkenny DC but held in Carlow) just to see all the Pomp & Ceremony of the Briefs.
One case involved a Polish Farm Labourer of Limited Means.
He was only in Ireland since sometime in 2007
He assaulted two Irish Men after he perceived (rightly or wrongly, it wasn't proved or stated) they'd said something to his' attractive Polish Partner.
He earns E300/Week.
E100 of that goes to Rent.
He saved/put by E100 a Week since the incident to come up with E7K as Compo.
That's serious saving & would limit every person. He wasn't ordered to do that.
Okay so he was gonna have to pay some compo but he could've legged it out of country or brazened it out & let court decide.
But he faced music & saved like there might be no tomorrow.
His' Irish Employer basically hands over the reins to him Monday to Saturday & he worked 6-Hours a Day 6 Days a Week iirc.
It was in Kilkenny People recently (2/3 Weeks ago).
He remains employed since by same farmer such was his' trustworthiness & reliability.

lfc85

DO'CARLO/WEX if you think us irish are such wasters why dont you get out of this country and move to warsaw,im sure you would fit right in with the rest of the Polish filth.

THEY TOOK RRRRRRRR JOBS!!!!!!! LOL

DO'Carlo/Wex

lfc85 wrote: »

DO'CARLO/WEX if you think us irish are such wasters why dont you get out of this country and move to warsaw,im sure you would fit right in with the rest of the Polish filth.

THEY TOOK RRRRRRRR JOBS!!!!!!! LOL

I sincerely hope that last bit about taking our' jobs was/is in jest?
Nobody took "our" jobs.
Perhaps Foreigners were & are willing to do the work (even nowadays) that Paddy or Mick or <insert quintesentially Irish Girls' Name here> wouldn't or won't do like factory work, like cleaning, like service industry work?
Perhaps (& perish the thought here eh!?) the immigrant worker was/is BETTER than the Irish Worker!
Or better qualified?
Or works harder & smarter & is more adaptable?
Or is thankful for being given a job, any job & doesn't feel resentful that they're over-qualified for the role of chicken-plucker but rather would prefer to be employed as such even if they're an accountant.
Better than being an UE Accountant/Fishmonger/IT Consultant etc.

And as for working for less than Irish will work for, fair play to them!
Wages in this country were & possibly in certain sectors are exorbitantly high for in some cases manual, menial labour like operative work I used to do.
If these wages are driven down in line with deflation then is that a bad thing?
I think not.

lfc85

is there some big polish mans cock up yer ass or are ya just an anti-irish bigot

go get a life ya bleedin muppet

and if ya ever watched South Park you would know what i meant by 'they took rrrrrrrrr jobs'

but you wouldnt have to worry bout them taking our jobs cos you earn enough money sucking cock in The George !

mikemac

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

He remains employed since by same farmer such was his' trustworthiness & reliability.

300 euro per week for a 36 hours? It's not even minimum wage! No wonder the farmer wants him.
Now you've set out your point that you've no issue with people seeing their pay reduced. I've been where dimejinky99 and seen what goes on in the pub and hotel industry.

I don't want to see anyone undercut by someone who won't work minimum wage at least. Most likely a cash in hand job too.
I've no doubt he is a fantastic worker. Farm laboring is more difficult then construction as the farm runs during the night during lambing and calving season, been there. There is no set lunch break at times like factory work

You may say the minimum wage needs to be cut probably but for now, laws are there for everyone

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lfc85, permanent ban

Johnny Giles, one month ban

arybvtcw0eolkf

Des wrote: »

lfc85, permanent ban

Johnny Giles, one month ban

Giles you got off lightly!.

Flamed Diving

Just like any people I think they have nice people, and they have arseholes. However, I believe too many came at once back in 2005/06. I mean, I am all open to ethnic diversity but the key to diversity is, you know, being diverse. It seems to have calmed down a little now, so hopefully it will stay that way.

PaulieD

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

Eastern Europeans were & are coming from a Lower Cost Based Economy.

Yes, and?

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

They were damn-right to take advantage (if that's the correct word?) to exploit a demand for staff in most if not all sectors in Ireland.

Poland has a population of 38.5 million relatively poor people, given free access to a country of 4 million moderately wealthy people. In 2003 there were a couple of thousand Polish people in the country, some of them here since world war 2. By 2006 there were a quarter of a million of them, thats the equivalent to the entire Mexican population in the US tripling in three years, an influx of 45 million, if you count the rest of the migrants to Ireland you begin to realise this is pure unadulturated lunacy. What sort of an effect would that have on the US, do you think? Do you think Ireland has infinite capacity to absorb immigrants? Nearly 75,000 more immigrants arrived on our shores this year. This is madness. Recession or no recession, Ireland is still a relatively good place to reside in, compared to eastern europe.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

Don't forget the history of Irish Immigrants. They say we built the world.
Well maybe we did but in comparison to the foreign labour over here they'd've been an awful lot quicker at it!

Are you saying eastern europeans are superior workers to Irish workers?

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

When we ratified the Nice Treaty we gave permission for 8 (?) New Countries to join EU & in May 2004 that happened.
It was a watershed in our' history of immigration & there'd
have to be another referendum for it to be reversed.

I suggest you read up on EU treaties before you spout absolute nonsense. We could implement a work permit scheme, just like Germany and Austria.

iv) safeguard clause (paragraph 7)

If an old Member State stops using national law measures and moves to free movement of workers under Community law, there is a possibility to re-impose restrictions if there are serious disturbances on the labour market, or the threat thereof. These "safeguard" clauses have always featured in accession Treaties, but have never been invoked. Therefore the Commission has no practical experience in their operation. However, it is clear that the Commission would expect a Member State to put forward convincing proof of a high level of disturbance on the labour market, in order to justify seeking to re-impose a restriction on free movement of workers, one of the four fundamental freedoms under the EC Treaty*. This same comment will apply to the use of the safeguard clause as between the new Member States (under paragraph 11).
That Referendum would probably involve us leaving the EU which has helped fill all the potholes of this country, has dveloped infrastructure & helped attract investment.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

We might be in a recession now but without Immigrant Labour we wouldn't've had a Celtic Tiger in my opinion.

And your opinion is wrong. The Celtic Tiger started in 1996. The Poles arrived en masse in 2005. My calculator says they arrived nine years afterthe Celtic Tiger started. What does yours say?

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

I worked in a factory & everybody on floor got paid same Irish or Foreign.
But by God I'll tell you the foreigners earned it, every penny/cent & more.
& they deserved it & more.

They worked, they got paid. Just like the other 1,800,000-2,000,000 workers in the country. They must have worked really hard, so hard they need a well deserved break. 80,000 of them are now on the dole.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

The Irish?
Took smoke breaks. Came in hungover. Or not at all. Tardiness was a big issue. 15 Min. breaks often turned into 20 regularly. 30 became 35.
I remember place I worked 3 Irish Women came in & started on floor.
8.30-10.30 & then 1st Break. Got into their' car & drove off.

I dont believe any of the above, I say this as a hotel manager who has worked with literally thousands of staff throughout the years. Irish staff are as good as anyone.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

No courtesy in saying this isn't for us etc.
Is it any wonder when you see that crap that we employ foreigners?

Nothing to do with cheap docile labour, eh?

They drove our' economy & shouldn't be scapegoated now that it's suffering. [/quote]


They did not. Immigrants came here because of the boom, they didnt "drive it.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

It's not their' fault.

Never said it was. But if they went home, the dole figures would reduce enormously.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

They didn't facilitate the boom.

You just said a minute ago that they created the Celtic Tiger. You are not very good at this, are you?

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

If anything they were the ones saving & working the long-hours so they'd no time to spend.

So did the hundreds of thousands of Irish workers who worked crazy hours to get onto the property ladder. Again, whats your point?

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

I strongly feel & hope they'll be the ones who'll help get us back out of it again.

You also feel that the Poles caused the boom, that started in '96, yet, they didnt arrive until '05. So I will take your hunches with a pinch of salt.

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

Just as an anecdote. I was a spectator at a recent court case (Kilkenny DC but held in Carlow) just to see all the Pomp & Ceremony of the Briefs.
One case involved a Polish Farm Labourer of Limited Means.
He was only in Ireland since sometime in 2007
He assaulted two Irish Men after he perceived (rightly or wrongly, it wasn't proved or stated) they'd said something to his' attractive Polish Partner.
He earns E300/Week.
E100 of that goes to Rent.
He saved/put by E100 a Week since the incident to come up with E7K as Compo.
That's serious saving & would limit every person. He wasn't ordered to do that.
Okay so he was gonna have to pay some compo but he could've legged it out of country or brazened it out & let court decide.
But he faced music & saved like there might be no tomorrow.
His' Irish Employer basically hands over the reins to him Monday to Saturday & he worked 6-Hours a Day 6 Days a Week iirc.
It was in Kilkenny People recently (2/3 Weeks ago).
He remains employed since by same farmer such was his' trustworthiness & reliability.

Your anecdote is about a criminal. A violent criminal.

Deport the thug. More pertinently, why is he not in jail?

GregsAmgryTooth

i dispise the polish people. have had a lot of bad experiences with them. i dont agree with how they were just left come into ireland without any restrictions. i belive the vast majority of them are here to **** over and grab as much money as they can. i would love to see the back of them but thats not going to happen. there are irish people living in poverty when these bastards are getting everything handed to them. its not right whats going on in ireland at the moment.

GregsAmgryTooth

ireland has to be so politically correct it ****ing sickens me how these people are put up with. they know every loophole and anything that can be exploited in the system, the bastards can exploit it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

GregsAmgryTooth wrote: »

i dispise the polish people. have had a lot of bad experiences with them. i dont agree with how they were just left come into ireland without any restrictions. i belive the vast majority of them are here to **** over and grab as much money as they can. i would love to see the back of them but thats not going to happen. there are irish people living in poverty when these bastards are getting everything handed to them. its not right whats going on in ireland at the moment.

Good enough for me.

BANNED.

GregsAmgryTooth

Pollack wrote: »

Hi again lads
im reading all the posts and i think i could answer all the questions about my nation. Don't be shy and ask :P
Seriously, if you have any querries just ask, i'll try to answer.
And yes we have all the weird stuff in our food, for egzample "Bigos" i like it but only when im not forced to see it :P http://www.lodz.e-leclerc.pl/spozywka/garmaz/daniagorace/rysunki/bigos.jpg
:D:D:D It taste good, but look's like a **** (sorry for bad word)
And yes there's a lots guys using Proteins (and other stuff) for muscles, i don't know why...i think it's becouse small penis...;P that's my opinion

go home, and take you 20 brothers and sisters with you and dont come back

arybvtcw0eolkf

GregsAmgryTooth wrote: »

go home, and take you 20 brothers and sisters with you and dont come back

And now perma-ban.

RMD

They work harder and contribute more to Irish society than the people who genrally bitch about them. I respect them more than the people who sit on their ass complaining about "day tuk rr jubs".

arybvtcw0eolkf

Well tonight one of my closest friends is leaving Ireland, for good.

One of the best, soundest and most friendliest guys I've ever known us going back home to Poland this weekend.

Seriously I'm heart broken.

Me & Wejeich at the recent Irish Judo Open..



I'm wearing the hat.

Palmerstown_guy

Almost married one :D:D

Dyr

You almost married a hat?

Traumadoc

They are super people, never complain. I have had several as patients with serious wounds from work related accidents.They just get on with it.

Pity we cannot swap them for some of the Irish scumbags I see regularly.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I'd have to agree Doc, in my experience they're mostly super people.

I've also served oversea's in Lebanon with the Polish, and just like here they were damned hard workers and tough lads.

Most of my Polish friends I've met through Judo, and if I was to turn the clock back to my teen years I'd go over and train Judo in Poland for a year with those lads.

oldscoil

....for instance "hard workers!?!?"

...The polish girls in my job are lasy fcukers, fcukin useless, I don't know how they get away with it. Maybe cos they're "cute" and their manager is a sad old cnut that likes patronising them and putting his arm on their shoulders when talking down to them in his "speakiy slow you understandie voice". Their slowness effects my customer = hence my job, so fcuk em, all bar one that actually breaks a sweat.

One of the polish is sound enough....ecept....when he does his
"deez cuntry is not gudt for me"......

Well then what do the 16A, 41, 46X, 102, 746, 747 & 748 all have in common!!!!!

When I lived in London for 3 years and it drove me fcuking mad to hear other Irish give out about London and the English, and how the water tasted weird and they had no red lemonade, and you can't get a toasty like the Med Bar in Carlow!?!?!?

THEN GO FCUKING HOME!!!!!!

Kintarō Hattori

Sean Tall Wine wrote: »

Well tonight one of my closest friends is leaving Ireland, for good.

One of the best, soundest and most friendliest guys I've ever known us going back home to Poland this weekend.

Seriously I'm heart broken.

Me & Wejeich at the recent Irish Judo Open..

I'm wearing the hat.

I know the feeling Mairt, myself and my lady were great friends with the couple in this photo (the guy I was telling you about, the two people to the left). They headed back to Poland a few years ago due to unforseen personal circumstances. They were absolutely the lovliest people you could meet, hard working and great fun. We miss them loads and don't get to go over and see them as often as we'd like.

Having been seeing a Polish lady for the past 5 years I've met more Polish folk than perhaps the average Irish person. Like with any nationality you've got great people and some absolute dicks. The majority of people I've met have been hard working, interesting, cultured and fun. They don't sleep 20 to a room and they don't send their pay packet back home. Most of the people I've met love life here and would rather make something of themselves here than head home.




http://www.flickr.com/photos/liamandagnieszka/sets/72157602093506025/

arybvtcw0eolkf

oldscoil wrote: »

....for instance "hard workers!?!?"

...The polish girls in my job are lasy fcukers, fcukin useless, I don't know how they get away with it. Maybe cos they're "cute" and their manager is a sad old cnut that likes patronising them and putting his arm on their shoulders when talking down to them in his "speakiy slow you understandie voice". Their slowness effects my customer = hence my job, so fcuk em, all bar one that actually breaks a sweat.

One of the polish is sound enough....ecept....when he does his
"deez cuntry is not gudt for me"......

Well then what do the 16A, 41, 46X, 102, 746, 747 & 748 all have in common!!!!!

When I lived in London for 3 years and it drove me fcuking mad to hear other Irish give out about London and the English, and how the water tasted weird and they had no red lemonade, and you can't get a toasty like the Med Bar in Carlow!?!?!?

THEN GO FCUKING HOME!!!!!!

Your threading a very fine line here, watch your step.