Loyalist groups to march in Dublin

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/12/12/story234594.html

Loyalist groups planning ‘Love Ulster’ march in Dublin
12/12/2005 - 07:56:34

A coalition of loyalist groups have announced plans to hold a march in Dublin city centre next month as part of a campaign to oppose what they believe is a push towards a united Ireland.

The march is being organised by the Love Ulster campaign, an alliance of Orangemen, loyalist activists and the victims of IRA violence.

The group was established to oppose what it believes is the dilution of the North's links with Britain as part of a scheme to force the North into a united Ireland.

The organisers say they are in talks with the Gardaí about a route for the parade, which will probably take place towards the end of January.

I have nothing to add, except I don't think this will end well.

Any thoughts?

Lump

WTF! They can't march in the republic... I think the Republicans should go march in London, I'm sure that'd go down well.

John

joe_chicken

Lump wrote:

WTF! They can't march in the republic... I think the Republicans should go march in London, I'm sure that'd go down well.

John

Don't think they'd give a flyin flute to be honest..

but yeah... this probably will end badly... hopefully it wont though and we can all just get along

ballooba

It would be a dangerous excercise but I wonder if I could get some of my urine into a few water ballons. Purely in the interests of science.

I'm not particularly republican but this is a bit much.

Oh look what I found. Their official website.

http://www.loveulster.com/

~Leanne~

A bit silly. With thing finally starting to get peacefull on BOTH sides there is no need for marches like this.

Danno

http://www.loveulster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2152 <<< have a read of this!

With comments like post #4 "I can't wait to see the faces on the nationalists when the union-jacks and the ulster flags are flown" it is obvious that some are coming to incite trouble.

lodgepole

It does seem like they should be marching in Belfast.

They say... "LoveUlster calls for the democratic rights of the Unionist community to be recognised and respected by government." That's fair enough, but which Government are they talking about? The Irish Government? British?

Having a march like this in the Republic seems inciteful to violence. I respect the opinions of Unionists in Northern Ireland but I don't fully understand where the sense in holding a march like this. I'm not convinced it can achieve anything beyond antagonising a few people.

However anybody armed with balloons of piss will be equally responsible if something kicks off.

Danno

Me thinks that Dubliners should shut shop and bar doors on the time of the day it is planned and for Dubliners to desert the streets where the marches will go.

Give 'em stiff silence.

Kersh

i think we should stand there and, em, eh... 'applaud'.... lots of us, and then route the march through some nice rough areas.

I would hope that the march would pass of peacefully, they get their point accross and perhaps show the people of Ulster the more reasonable side of Irelands population.

But in reality I think there could be trouble.

dr zoidberg

Funny how they go on about "Ulster". Someone really should show them a map sometime.

LoveUlster calls for the democratic rights of the Unionist community to be recognised and respected by government.

Since when are they not being respected? No one is stopping a Unionist running for election here.

There probably will be trouble if this goes ahead.

Danno

Exactly Dr Zoidberg, most of them are a bunch of whingers, even the London Government has turned their back on them.

What I cannot understand is, if they love England so much and want to be ruled by London, go and fecking live there!

Binomate

I think I might march for the larf! Piss off a few muppets.

Tusky

They can **** right off. They deserve any violence they get if you ask me. They are just asking for trouble.

*marie*

Danno wrote:

What I cannot understand is, if they love England so much and want to be ruled by London, go and fecking live there!

My thoughts exactly. I see absolutely no reason for them to feel the need to march in Dublin, they will just provoke violence. As you said, Danno, every Dubliner should stay inside, give them no attention whatsoever.

Danno

In my opinion this is not going to be a good day at all, I have the feeling that young hooligans with no understanding of Irish history will use it as an excuse to riot and cause mayhem.

chump

There's no way this can be allowd, right?

There's no point to it whatsoever but to cause trouble...

ghostdancer

considering linfield fans can't come down here without getting pissed and starting fights and singing sectarian songs on the streets on the way to a match, and the Orange Order and UVF riotted for 2 weeks, caused roadblocks all over belfast, shut down most of the city, just because they weren't allowed march where they wanted to.
the idea of these scum coming down here should be fun, no doubt drinking for half the day, and no doubt having a lrage contingence of orange order members, loyalist paramiltary members, and general hooligans based on their previous marches.
considering the scenes of 50 year old orange order men with samuari swords attacking psni over the summer, i hope the gardai have some plan in place.

Ignore the orange trolls, starve them of the oxygen of publicity on which they depend and they'll stay at home.

Dave!

Danno wrote:

Me thinks that Dubliners should shut shop and bar doors on the time of the day it is planned and for Dubliners to desert the streets where the marches will go.

Give 'em stiff silence.

That'd be a good idea

OR, throw glass bottles at them!

They're just trying to stir up violence, and they're gonna be met by plenty of scumbags who won't be too happy to see them... hopefully they'll get a good beating, just what they deserve.

DonkeyStyle \o/

They might aswell be Eskimos marching for special igloo rights as far as I'm concerned... I'd honestly give more of a shít if that was the case. :rolleyes:
I don't want a united Ireland either, I want the whole of northern Ireland dug up and plopped in the middle of the Indian ocean so I don't have to hear about this petty bítch-fighting anymore.
A good dose of apathy would work wonders for the situation in the north IMO... maybe the Gardai should send them all the marijuana they've seized in the last few years.

Cavan Bay

stevenmu

I'd like to think Ireland is a much free-er country than it was under British imperial rule, so f**k it let them march.

Danno

Let them march? - give them an inch... you know the rest. This spells trouble.

fly_agaric

First the big shinner march a while back with all their semi-fascist flagwaving crap, now the "pehpol of Nordarn Ihrland" want to have their little hate parade through Dublin too! Jesus wept! Just leave us in peace boys. Go to Cork instead. Psst - I hear its the real capital of the Republic of Ireland! /jk:D

Stephen

We should arrange prizes for whoever can launch the largest balloon of piss on the day. Extra points given for clever things like launching them out of big medieval style catapults and so on.

zuma

Let them march!

Well all be there on the streets waving our Union flags and singing "God Save the Queen".
I will be just like 1911 or so when George was paraded through the streets of Dublin.

It wasnt even 100 years ago when that scene occured!!!

Honestly though...remove the Union flag and let them march, if they still want to.
There is no reason for them to wave the Union flag around as they will not be marching in the UK!

stevenmu

Danno wrote:

Let them march? - give them an inch... you know the rest. This spells trouble.

It's either that or spend the next 10 years listening to them moan about not being allowed to do it, not to mention all Ian Paisleys speeches about how the papists are trying to undermine freedom and democracy. Plus it'd give them another excuse to stop the peace process going forward.

RobEire

I hate the idea of them bringing their crap to Dublin, but at the same time how do you stop them? If they have made legal application to march and it is granted, then it would seem there is little we can do, except possibly arrange a counter march...

Zebra3

ghostdancer wrote:

considering linfield fans can't come down here without getting pissed and starting fights and singing sectarian songs on the streets on the way to a match,

Please explain.

ghostdancer

Zebra3 wrote:

Please explain.

setanta cup final 2005. fights, arrests, abuse, etc.

we left Fagan's in drumcondra (ironically across the road from bertie's constituency office and his favourite watering-hole) after someone had a glass thrown at their head.

this was before the match started.

liam1204

Leinster says

"come on down"

Mr.Nice Guy

They are looking for trouble and simply put they shouldn't be allowed to march however this country is run by a fair few eejits so I'm guessing they will be permitted to...

Uthur

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

They are looking for trouble and simply put they shouldn't be allowed to march however this country is run by a fair few eejits so I'm guessing they will be permitted to...

A 'fair few eejits'! LOL, that's the politest way I've seen that put yet

Zebra3

ghostdancer wrote:

setanta cup final 2005. fights, arrests, abuse, etc.

we left Fagan's in drumcondra (ironically across the road from bertie's constituency office and his favourite watering-hole) after someone had a glass thrown at their head.

this was before the match started.

And how many out of the 2,000 or so that came down were involved?

The trouble was probably a hell of a lot less than happens at certain eircom League matches....and no doubt at certain GAA club matches.

CrazySka

This whole idea is totally unaceptable to me, your talking about an organisation waving a union jack outside the GPO, the home of modern Irish rebellion (Cuchailin ll cry a tear). I appreciate its gonna involve victims of violence which is fine but how many other elements are gonna come down to cause trouble but even that aside,
WERE A SEPERATE COUNTRY FOR F***S SAKE, nobody has a right to march here except us, the citizens of this country if we dont like the way things are here we dont head to the Isle of Man for an oul march.
Ive looked at some of the posts on that site and they seem to think its their right to have a protest here, ITS NOT, our country, our city and if you wanna have a protest get the boys from Queens Uni to go up and down the falls.
Fair enough if they love Ulster, I love Ireland but I live here they dont.
I would never advocate violence but i think people should be ready to protest at this protest and show them that we wont take kindly to this S*** as long as the people who dont want to live under British rule are forced to. How many nationalists are gonna be involved in this "parade"???

Mossy Monk

if this goes ahead there will be war. all well and good for some to say it will peaceful, others will genuinely be against it, then there is the scumbags who will use any situation to kick off

imo this march is a bad idea

el tel

It shouldn't be forgotten that these people are sectarian, anti-Ireland, anti-Dublin and highly objectionable to any Irish meddling in their affairs. Why they want to parade here beats me. Like most things they do it's uninformed and imbecilic. I personally don't think anyone should be allowed to parade anywhere unless expressly invited.

Dyr

el tel wrote:

It shouldn't be forgotten that these people are sectarian, anti-Ireland, anti-Dublin and highly objectionable to any Irish meddling in their affairs.

You mean they all post in the politics forum?


:v: <Ulster says atari jaguar!

Dave!

It's really obvious that they're only trying to incite violence, surely the government won't allow it -- there's no sense in the march! It doesn't even have a point. I can't stand these Loyalist scum, it's like they're bored so they just start rioting and fighting to keep themselves occupied... The IRA at least had SOME sort of agenda, these are just using this political name as an excuse. They're not doing their cause (whatever that may be -- remain united to GB? you already are... why are you rioting?) and favours, and are forcing people who are 'on the fence' to side with republicans.

It has no point, the government can't let it go ahead; if they do, then I hope the marchers get a beating, they're scumbags, let them deal with their own kind.

Irjudge1

They're marching on Leinster House on a Saturday in January. Is there any hope in hell that there will be any member of the government back from holidays never mind in on a Saturday? Unless of course their using the free internet access.

I say let them March. Yes there will be trouble but I'm guessing it will be heavily policed to protect the marchers. So they want to make a point that they don't want a united Ireland.

Well as citizens of this country they're entitled to make that point.;)

Supercell

Those fcuking bigoted band of wánkers can piss right off, they have utterly no right to march here, frankly this makes my blood boil even think of it.

Zillah

Y'know its wierd. I've never been very patriotic. I like Ireland. Thats about it. I always thought that the north can fck right off. I never really cared. Oh boo hoo, get over it and live your lives.

But now... I feel like shouting and throwing things. Suddenly its not "over there" its "down here". I want to punish them. And I have no bloody reason to. So I won't.

I can see the vast majority of Irish men my age thinking the same thought process. Except for the last two bits unfortunately.

Supercell

Would just like to add, if they were citzans of the ROI, no matter what they were marching , would respect their right to do so unless if was for something clearly crazy like all rapists should get a one year sentance and all ppl caught speeding a 15 year one.

I cannot believe that the Gardaí have given non citizans the right to parade down our capitals streets in the complete and utter obvious intent to cause scenes of disruption here.

I for one will shed not tears for any of them showered in píss balloons or worse..

Shame on our nations police force for allowing foreign citizans to march like this on our capitals streets...you should be ashamed to wair the uniform if you have any part in allowing this.

morlan

Can we have a poll on this?

Dave!

Longfield wrote:

Those fcuking bigoted band of wánkers can piss right off, they have utterly no right to march here, frankly this makes my blood boil even think of it.

Zillah wrote:

But now... I feel like shouting and throwing things. Suddenly its not "over there" its "down here". I want to punish them.

hear hear

Longfield wrote:

Would just like to add, if they were citzans of the ROI, no matter what they were marching , would respect their right to do so unless if was for something clearly crazy like all rapists should get a one year sentance and all ppl caught speeding a 15 year one.

I cannot believe that the Gardaí have given non citizans the right to parade down our capitals streets in the complete and utter obvious intent to cause scenes of disruption here.

I for one will shed not tears for any of them showered in píss balloons or worse..

Shame on our nations police force for allowing foreign citizans to march like this on our capitals streets...you should be ashamed to wair the uniform if you have any part in allowing this.

Have they actually been given permission to do it?! Is there a date set? Location? Any details, like?

Irjudge1

I can imagine the discussion in some orange hall.

"Everybody's ignoring us. What can we do?..... March on Dublin? That's a great idea that'll piss them off no end. Maybe if we're luckily we'll be beat up. That would look great on CNN and SKY. We can claim victimisation and that we would never be safe in a united Ireland."

Can you imagine just how pissed off they'd be if they were completely ignored or cheered even. Get the Hot dog stands and the face painters out I say.

CrazySka

Its gonna happen on saturday 28 of January according to their website, they say they have a permit for it.

Dave!

Well I'll be there... I wonder what the reaction will be...

Obviously not a pleasant one, but will it be jeers? throwing things? fights? silence?

It'll be interesting, to say the least.

ghostdancer

Zebra3 wrote:

And how many out of the 2,000 or so that came down were involved?

The trouble was probably a hell of a lot less than happens at certain eircom League matches....and no doubt at certain GAA club matches.

i don't know, nor do i particularly care, if that's what a small section of soccer fans do when they get down to dublin, i've no doubt a group backed by loyalist paramilitaries and the DUP will contain the same type of people.