Loyalist groups to march in Dublin

gurramok

Binomate wrote:

They were not extremists at all. The so called military red uniforms were marching band uniforms in case you hadn't noticed. How in the name of God can you mistake peacefull marchers with extremists?

They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist. I see no difference between them and Nazis/KKK with their hatred of another nation of people.

Did you know that the Love Ulster campaign was started by loyalist terrorists at Larne last year, they regularly turnup at their rallies in Belfast.

gerrycollins wrote:

informed of what?that there was going to be a riot?
i cannot condone the parade going down oconnell st but then are the rioters going to say
mr riot:mr garda we are going to cause mayhem on the streets on saturday
mr gardak see you then????

It doesnt take einstein to know that if there is a protest against an extremist march past an ammunition dump that there is going to be trouble.
This march was not even publicised in the media with little mention, many people i know didnt know it was happening today.
Maybe the authorities were trying to sneak it past an unsuspecting public(whether they care or not) to cut down on parade costs.

wheres me jumpa

To think of the honourable blood that was shed on those streets for our freedom, its embarrassing to see the behaviour on those streets today.

Terry

can anyone tell me why they felt the need to bring a marching band?
they claim to have wanted to march for the victims of violence (why not include the victims of loyalist terror), why would they need a marching band in full orange order regalia?
the only reason i can think of is to provoke a violent response and they got what they wanted.
take your blinkers off. they are not good people. they are a mixture of loyalist extremists, violent thugs, terrorists, unionist politicians and a few victims of IRA violence.
if the leaders of this march stand up tomorrow and say they are ashamed of what happened in Dublin today and that they understand that it was caused by a minority of trouble makers, then i will take my previous statement back.

Binomate

gurramok wrote:

They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist. I see no difference between them and Nazis/KKK with their hatred of another nation of people.

Did you know that the Love Ulster campaign was started by loyalist terrorists at Larne last year, they regularly turnup at their rallies in Belfast.


It doesnt take einstein to know that if there is a protest against an extremist march past an ammunition dump that there is going to be trouble.
This march was not even publicised in the media with little mention, many people i know didnt know it was happening today.
Maybe the authorities were trying to sneak it past an unsuspecting public(whether they care or not) to cut down on parade costs.

You have provided no evidence of extremist behaviour. They were voicing their opinion plain and simple.

Binomate

julep wrote:

can anyone tell me why they felt the need to bring a marching band?
they claim to have wanted to march for the victims of violence (why not include the victims of loyalist terror), why would they need a marching band in full orange order regalia?
the only reason i can think of is to provoke a violent response and they got what they wanted.
take your blinkers off. they are not good people. they are a mixture of loyalist extremists, violent thugs, terrorists, unionist politicians and a few victims of IRA violence.
if the leaders of this march stand up tomorrow and say they are ashamed of what happened in Dublin today and that they understand that it was caused by a minority of trouble makers, then i will take my previous statement back.

Eh, it was a parade. Call me crazy but a marching band is one of the things I'd certainly expect to see at a parade.

Terry

parades are usually used for celebrations.

pa·rade Audio pronunciation of "parade" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-rd)
n.

1.
1. An organized public procession on a festive or ceremonial occasion.
2. The participants in such a procession.
2.
1. A regular place of assembly for reviews of troops. Also called parade ground.
2. A ceremonial review of troops.
3. The troops taking part in such a review.
3. A line or extended group of moving persons or things: a parade of strollers on the mall.
4. An extended, usually showy succession: a parade of fads and styles.
5. An ostentatious show; an exhibition: make a parade of one's talents. See Synonyms at display.
6. A public square or promenade.

it was a protest march and nothing more.
why bring politics into a parade in what you consider to be foreign soil?
why try to have a parade on said foreign soil?

Ideo

''They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist''

where you there throwing stones today? your attitude only further incites the hatred which we saw today, im sickened by what happened today, no wonder the loyalists dont want to join the republic. with attitudes like yours they're very clearly not welcome

gurramok wrote:

They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist. I see no difference between them and Nazis/KKK with their hatred of another nation of people.

Did you know that the Love Ulster campaign was started by loyalist terrorists at Larne last year, they regularly turnup at their rallies in Belfast.


It doesnt take einstein to know that if there is a protest against an extremist march past an ammunition dump that there is going to be trouble.
This march was not even publicised in the media with little mention, many people i know didnt know it was happening today.
Maybe the authorities were trying to sneak it past an unsuspecting public(whether they care or not) to cut down on parade costs.

gurramok

Binomate wrote:

You have provided no evidence of extremist behaviour. They were voicing their opinion plain and simple.

Err, ever hear of their usual songs/chanting about up their neck in 'fenian' blood.?
IE, they want us all that are not like them to simply take a hike

I have no objection to a march by 'victims of ira violence', take out the orange bands and let the ordinary unionist folk in plains clothes march with proper banners, not bigotry on display.

I do object to extremists from either side parading bigotry in my and your city.

Also for those you not familiar with Dublin, the gardai can't even police vast swates of this city properly including my own neighbourhood, how are they suppose to control a riot :?)

gurramok

scooby_doo_no1 wrote:

''They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist''

where you there throwing stones today? your attitude only further incites the hatred which we saw today, im sickened by what happened today, no wonder the loyalists dont want to join the republic. with attitudes like yours they're very clearly not welcome

No i wasn't throwing stones. I was there observing as a peaceful protester, feck sake i'm 31 and not the fittest of persons to throw a brick!
Attitudes?...Does it hurt about the truth what they are?
I work and have worked with ordinary unionists down here in Dubland, they are not a patch on bigotry, they are decent people.
What i object to is the forcing of a extremist parade without consultation to people that live in this city.

gerrycollins

gurramok wrote:

They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist. I see no difference between them and Nazis/KKK with their hatred of another nation of people.

Did you know that the Love Ulster campaign was started by loyalist terrorists at Larne last year, they regularly turnup at their rallies in Belfast.


It doesnt take einstein to know that if there is a protest against an extremist march past an ammunition dump that there is going to be trouble.
This march was not even publicised in the media with little mention, many people i know didnt know it was happening today.
Maybe the authorities were trying to sneak it past an unsuspecting public(whether they care or not) to cut down on parade costs.

read my post i said i cannot condone them bringing it down oconnell st for obvious reasons

Hagar

Jayses Binomate, they start the parade outside Sinn Fein's offices, march past the Garden of Rememberance, on past the GPO and on to our Dail. What else could they do short of sodomising old MR. Brennan outside Jacobs Mill Bakery to provoke a reaction?

Sam Vimes

Hagar wrote:

Jayses Binomate, they start the parade outside Sinn Fein's offices, march past the Garden of Rememberance, on past the GPO and on to our Dail. What else could they do short of sodomising old MR. Brennan outside Jacobs Mill Bakery to provoke a reaction?

i didn't realise that was the route. i'm more pissed off about it now. its like something you see in primary school, but generally not secondary school because the kids have grown up a bit more

LovelyHurling

This is ridiculous, is Binomate the only one who can see this thing clearly?

They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist

for fcuk sake, they were marching for valid reasons today and took steps to provoke decent dubs as little as they possibly could (anyone who tells be this looked like an orange march you obviously were not there)

Im a loyalist and do not hate everyone who isnt a loyalist, otherwise I would have made no friends in the 5 years ive been in college down here.

Now I dont think todays protest was provocative, but can I just say that in a state like the Republic of Ireland, if somebody walks down a road saying "hit me hit me" repeatedly, it doesnt actually mean you should hit them. You're supposed to see them as stupid and continue your daily business.

Just to clarify the protestors did not WANT to be injured today.

Stop defending the scumbags unless your name is Deco and you enhoyed your "freedom fighting" today, oh and your looted runners from Footlocker:rolleyes:

Hagar

I stole no runners today.

The people that the marchers claim killed/maimed their loved oned ones were officailly British Subjects.
Why wasn't the march held in London?

tunaman

Hagar wrote:

Jayses Binomate, they start the parade outside Sinn Fein's offices, march past the Garden of Rememberance, on past the GPO and on to our Dail. What else could they do short of sodomising old MR. Brennan outside Jacobs Mill Bakery to provoke a reaction?

It was obviously designed to provoke a reaction.

LovelyHurling wrote:

Now I dont think todays protest was provocative

The fact that people are thinking like this is madness.

Terry

LovelyHurling wrote:

This is ridiculous, is Binomate the only one who can see this thing clearly?



for fcuk sake, they were marching for valid reasons today and took steps to provoke decent dubs as little as they possibly could (anyone who tells be this looked like an orange march you obviously were not there)

Im a loyalist and do not hate everyone who isnt a loyalist, otherwise I would have made no friends in the 5 years ive been in college down here.

Now I dont think todays protest was provocative, but can I just say that in a state like the Republic of Ireland, if somebody walks down a road saying "hit me hit me" repeatedly, it doesnt actually mean you should hit them. You're supposed to see them as stupid and continue your daily business.

Just to clarify the protestors did not WANT to be injured today.

Stop defending the scumbags unless your name is Deco and you enhoyed your "freedom fighting" today, oh and your looted runners from Footlocker:rolleyes:

while you might not hate anyone who is not a loyalist, the people involved with love ulster clearly do.
they came here simply to provoke violence and they got their wish.
one side is as bad as the other and neither side is innocent in this whole debacle.

Binomate

tunaman wrote:

The fact that people are thinking like this is madness.

Says someone who thinks the Irish Government are behind this.

gurramok

LovelyHurling wrote:

This is ridiculous, is Binomate the only one who can see this thing clearly?

for fcuk sake, they were marching for valid reasons today and took steps to provoke decent dubs as little as they possibly could (anyone who tells be this looked like an orange march you obviously were not there)

Im a loyalist and do not hate everyone who isnt a loyalist, otherwise I would have made no friends in the 5 years ive been in college down here.

Now I dont think todays protest was provocative, but can I just say that in a state like the Republic of Ireland, if somebody walks down a road saying "hit me hit me" repeatedly, it doesnt actually mean you should hit them. You're supposed to see them as stupid and continue your daily business.

Just to clarify the protestors did not WANT to be injured today.

Stop defending the scumbags unless your name is Deco and you enhoyed your "freedom fighting" today, oh and your looted runners from Footlocker:rolleyes:

Oh yes i was there today.
I walked past them at about 12:20pm and what i saw disgusted me.
They(the Orange marchers) were practicing their sectarian tunes of hating anything that is not like them.

Why bring 6 sectarian loyalist bands when you are only protesting about 'victims of violence' ???

What i saw were men in red military uniform with their flutes/drums and flags ready to insult anyone with their vitriol hatred that does not agree with them.

These were not victims IMHO

Terry

Why bring 6 sectarian loyalist bands when you are only protesting about 'victims of violence' ???

i've already asked that question.
don't expect a valid answer (parade doesn't count. it was a protest march and not a celebration of anything) because there is no valid answer.

tunaman

Binomate wrote:

Says someone who thinks the Irish Government are behind this.

Why is that so hard to believe?

There is evidence to back it up.

The whole government has been shown up many times as completely corrupt from top to bottom.

What we hear about is just the tip of the iceberg of what really goes on behind closed doors.

Binomate

tunaman wrote:

Why is that so hard to believe?

There is evidence to back it up.

The whole government has been shown up many times as completely corrupt from top to bottom.

What we hear about is just the tip of the iceberg of what really goes on behind closed doors.

There is no evidence to back it up. There isn't even a motive!

DOLEMAN

I followed the rioters around the city.

What amazed me the most was that no plain clothes gardai were doing the same.

Their leader was a well dressed, well spoken, well educated looking man (very "teacher" looking.) He was advising the rioters on how to act around the gardai and to stand their ground. He knew many of them by name.

I was also listening to their plans about where to go next etc.

If the gardai had done the same they could have totally outsmarted them.

Also, instead of arresting youth the gardai just slowly moved them around the city. I was amazed by the gardai's lack of wanting to do anything. For example, when the two mercedes were lit on fire outside cafe sorrento, the gardai just watched (even though they were about 2 seconds walk away from the incident.)

Amazing.

Hagar

Binomate wrote:

There is no evidence to back it up. There isn't even a motive!

Do you not think that dis-crediting the fastest growing rival to Fianna Fail the Republican Party (ROFL) is motive enough?

Binomate

DOLEMAN wrote:

I followed the rioters around the city.

What amazed me the most was that no plain clothes gardai were doing the same.

Their leader was a well dressed, well spoken, well educated looking man (very "teacher" looking.) He was advising the rioters on how to act around the gardai and to stand their ground. He knew many of them by name.

I was also listening to their plans about where to go next etc.

If the gardai had done the same they could have totally outsmarted them.

Also, instead of arresting youth the gardai just slowly moved them around the city. I was amazed by the gardai's lack of wanting to do anything. For example, when the two mercedes were lit on fire outside cafe sorrento, the gardai just watched (even though they were about 2 seconds walk away from the incident.)

Amazing.

How many Gardaí watched people burn the mercedes and what equpiment did they have? A couple of Gardaí going against an angry mob with a lack of riot gear wouldn't be a very smart idea. That could by why they didn't act.

DOLEMAN

Binomate wrote:

How many Gardaí watched people burn the mercedes and what equpiment did they have? A couple of Gardaí going against an angry mob with a lack of riot gear wouldn't be a very smart idea. That could by why they didn't act.

There were about 20 gardai in riot gear, about 20 on horses, and about 40 on foot.

Binomate

Hagar wrote:

Do you not think that dis-crediting the fastest growing rival to Fianna Fail the Republican Party (ROFL) is motive enough?

Is that why most of the Fianna Fáil leaders have come out and said that these acts of violence do not represent Irish democracy or Irish Republicanism?

Binomate

DOLEMAN wrote:

There were about 20 gardai in riot gear, about 20 on horses, and about 40 on foot.

That should certainly be investigated.

jaqian

Photos from the riot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaqian/tags/loveulster/

tunaman

jaqian wrote:

Photos from the riot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaqian/tags/loveulster/

Not an orange marcher in site.:rolleyes:

DOLEMAN

I caught the cars on fire on Nassau Street. The rioters are behind me. The gardai are to my right.

Sorry for the large file size.

http://www.cult.ie/nassaust.zip

tunaman

Binomate wrote:

There is no evidence to back it up. There isn't even a motive!

The whole thing was planned in great detail according to the justice minister.

The FACT that anybody who wanted to voice their anger at the marchers also conviently had missiles all around them is not even a little suspect to you or anybody else?

Binomate

DOLEMAN wrote:

I caught the cars on fire on Nassau Street. The rioters are behind me. The gardai are to my right.

Sorry for the large file size.

http://www.cult.ie/nassaust.zip

Thanks for sharing the footage.

Binomate

tunaman wrote:

The whole thing was planned in great detail according to the justice minister.

The FACT that anybody who wanted to voice their anger at the marchers also conviently had missiles all around them is not even a little suspect to you or anybody else?

Yes, someone planted bottles where is your evidence that suggests it was the Irish Government? Are you suggesting the buliding site was planted as well?

Peanut

tunaman wrote:

The whole thing was planned in great detail according to the justice minister.

The FACT that anybody who wanted to voice their anger at the marchers also conviently had missiles all around them is not even a little suspect to you or anybody else?

lol :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yeah I guess the whole redevelopment of O'Connell St. was scheduled well in advance just so the rioters could have an ample supply of ordnance.

The Black Oil

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/02/25/PH2006022500718.jpg

jaqian

Wikinews use my photos

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Dublin_unionist_march_turns_violent

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Riots_cease_in_Dublin_against_Unionist_march

luckat

The Government shouldn't have given the loyalists permission to march through Dublin - looking at the bands with their Union Jacks and regalia, it was obviously an attempt to grig people.

The riots were disgusting, and I'm too furious for words with the rioters.

But at the same time, the Government want their heads examined for saying yes to the loyalist march in the first place.

ronbyrne2005

luckat wrote:

looking at the bands with their Union Jacks and regalia, it was obviously an attempt to grig people.

well god love ya son,if you cant control yourself upon seeing union jacks and regalia than your a sad individual.just because people cant control their bigoted prospensity to violence shouldnt be a reason to stop a legitimate approved parade,if it annoys you just stay away in your cave.

Freelancer

tunaman wrote:

The whole thing was planned in great detail according to the justice minister.

The FACT that anybody who wanted to voice their anger at the marchers also conviently had missiles all around them is not even a little suspect to you or anybody else?

Jesus are you still acting the muppet? You're on the other thread telling us
"NOT TO TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA" and then telling us to learn the truth and watch the "power of nightmares" a documentary produced by the bloody BBC.

Terry

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

well god love ya son,if you cant control yourself upon seeing union jacks and regalia than your a sad individual.just because people cant control their bigoted prospensity to violence shouldnt be a reason to stop a legitimate approved parade,if it annoys you just stay away in your cave.

it wasn't a parade. it was a protest march. not a parade. not a parade. not a parade. (i'm using the marge simpson technique here)
and no, it shouldn't have happened. yesterdays events are a testament as to why is shouldn't have happened.

rsynnott

julep wrote:

it wasn't a parade. it was a protest march. not a parade. not a parade. not a parade. (i'm using the marge simpson technique here)
and no, it shouldn't have happened. yesterdays events are a testament as to why is shouldn't have happened.

So... we should censor freedom of expression because a few braindead SFers might get unhappy otherwise? What if someone had rioted at the similarly ridiculous rally Sinn Fein held last year? Should that be banned, too? The solution is better police protection, not no march.

Terry

i've nothing against loyalists marching in Dublin. i just don't agree with "love ulster" marching in Dublin. they are no better than the scum who rioted yesterday. why should we pander to the wishes of people who hate everything we stand for and everything about us? fuck them. we're better off without them, as are the people of northern Ireland, unionist and republican alike.

Anarchist

gurramok wrote:

Victims of violence? This was an march by loyalist extremists, they were no ordinary unionist joe-soaps.

Yeh we seen the victims of violence attempting to parade in full military red uniform, have a look at RTE news of them, a full orange march by extremists.
The Garda brass who gave permission for this march should be sacked for incompetence.
Residents were not informed, there was no publicity of it happening hence many innocent shoppers were caught in the middle of the mayhem.
And above all allowing it go down that ammunition dump called O'Connell St helping the consequental riot.

Well said.

Anarchist

scooby_doo_no1 wrote:

''They hate us, yes you and me and everyone else that are NOT loyalist''

where you there throwing stones today? your attitude only further incites the hatred which we saw today, im sickened by what happened today, no wonder the loyalists dont want to join the republic. with attitudes like yours they're very clearly not welcome

Gerrymandering ring a bell, they were happy then :rolleyes:

Anarchist

Binomate wrote:

Maybe you can give me good reason as to why these marchers were extremists?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9914/104546883b6b54b6b081op.jpg

projectmayhem

rsynnott wrote:

So... we should censor freedom of expression because a few braindead SFers might get unhappy otherwise? What if someone had rioted at the similarly ridiculous rally Sinn Fein held last year? Should that be banned, too? The solution is better police protection, not no march.

yes, frankly.

not because braindead sfers will go on a rampage, but because the people who were in work, out shopping, having a nice saturday or having their lunch had to put up with rocks, cars being burned and republican chants that have nothing to do with the day at hand.

i couldn't give a rats ass about the knackers yesterday, or the fools from up north who thought they could protest about some group who have NOTHING to do with the irish state. i do, however, care about being able to go to the shops on a saturday afternoon and not have muppets running riot.

the army should have been called in to shoot every one of those morons, with live rounds. if they show no respect for their own police force, then why should the force show respect for them. as a voter, i'd condone the mass murder of these knackers

scojones

Lads, we all knew this was going to happen. Get over it.

jaqian

Anarchist wrote:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9914/104546883b6b54b6b081op.jpg

Hey Anarchist where did you get that photo? Its funny how its an EXACT copy of mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaqian/104546883/in/set-72057594070519805/

What gives?

Anyone else think these photos look the same???

LovelyHurling

ive just seen the thread on the muslim cartoons. Its amazing the way so many of you are in favour of freedom of speech by your comments in that thread and your 'i support denmark' sigs.
When it comes to the bottom line, however, you dont want people who are entitled to Irish passports, protesting in Dublin.

There were protests in Dublin because the south is where SF are gaining in popularity and any influence they may have in future southern irish politics would be disastrous for Northern Unionists

arbeitsscheuer

LovelyHurling wrote:

ive just seen the thread on the muslim cartoons. Its amazing the way so many of you are in favour of freedom of speech by your comments in that thread and your 'i support denmark' sigs.
When it comes to the bottom line, however, you dont want people who are entitled to Irish passports, protesting in Dublin.

There were protests in Dublin because the south is where SF are gaining in popularity and any influence they may have in future southern irish politics would be disastrous for Northern Unionists

Spot on wit everythin u said there mate.

Ironically, I'm one of the few (if the amount of "Support Denmark" sigs are anythin to go by) on this site who takes the POV that the cartoons were offensive, should not have been published, and, most importantly, that Freedom Of Speech does not trump all other human rights, i.e. You can't just say anything offensive you want and then claim that it is your right to do so because of Freedom of Speech.

Back on topic, on the flipside of this, I was never against the Love Ulster March. Show me where's the harm? And don't say "The Riots! All this fighting! Provocative! Wah Wah Wah!" FFS grow up - It's only provocative if you take offence to it, and frankly if 10 old geezers on crutches with Orange flags hobbling down O'Connell offends you, then I don't see how you can take Denmark's side, or indeed the side of Freedom of Speech.

/rant over.