Loyalist groups to march in Dublin

gusto

They won't have the balls to march through Dublin. The only reason they march through Catholic areas in the North is due to the protection they receive from the PSNI and the fact the PSNI remove the basic human rights of catholics living in these areas.

mike65

Danno wrote:

What I cannot understand is, if they love England so much and want to be ruled by London, go and fecking live there!

Eh? They are not English, they are Ulster Irish and consider themselves by birth and heritage British. They can't stand the English.

Let them march, its a free country and are'nt we supposed to be BIG enough to allow alternative points of view these days?

Mike.

Irjudge1

gusto wrote:

They won't have the balls to march through Dublin. The only reason they march through Catholic areas in the North is due to the protection they receive from the PSNI and the fact the PSNI remove the basic human rights of catholics living in these areas.

What basic human rights are we taliking about.

gusto

Irjudge1 wrote:

What basic human rights are we taliking about.

The right to live free from intimidation, a right to move freely...should I go on?

Irjudge1

Yes

Irjudge1

Maybe not then.

Anyway if they do march in Dublin you can be damn sure that they will be heavily protected by the Gardai if only to prevent things from getting out of hand.

deisedevil

Why are there people here hoping they get abuse and balloons of piss thrown at em?? That's what some of em want. Be silent and ignore them, let them have their march. It has to end somewhere, if we show them some respect when they come down here then we look the better for it and hopefully we'll be another step closer to peace at the end of the day. More violence will only create more violence. Where will giving them abuse get us, a riot on the streets of Dublin, more people hurt, more embarresment. I hope they don't come down but if they do i hope nothing kicks off.

projectmayhem

what exactly are they marching for? surely there has to be some decent reason in order to get a permit other then "we need some publicity"

if they expect everyone to line the streets cheering, clapping and waving little union jacks they should have some big surprise. it's like american troops walking into north korea unarmed in a straight line waving flags.

they get what they deserve. i look forward to the show on tv...

gusto

Irjudge1 wrote:

Yes

OK then. I live in a Catholic area of Belfast. Religion is not important to me but being an Irish citizen is an important part of who I am. There have been loyalist marches going past my street since I was born. When I was younger I paid little attention to these. A number of years ago five members of this community were murdered by a loyalist death squad.

The first loyalist march after this atrocity had people waving at my community and shouting 5-0. Understandably this did not go down very well within the local community. The community then stood united against these sectarian marches.

Nowadays, whenever one of these marches is forced through our community we have the British Army and PSNI move in the night before. They block of the exits and restrict our movements. We can't get in or out of our area. I've been prevented from going into town to meet friends and I've also been prevented from going to work. It feels like being under house arrest and I've never broken the law in my life.

Is this fair?

Irjudge1

Who is going to attack them? Sinn Fein would run a mile from being associated with pitched battles on the Streets of Dublin. That won't suit an election campaign strategy. Yeah there will probably be the few disorganised young fellas but the guards will be well able for that.

eirebhoy

~Leanne~ wrote:

A bit silly. With thing finally starting to get peacefull on BOTH sides there is no need for marches like this.

They don't want peace. What they don't want is a peaceful march, lets give them a peaceful march. Can't see that happening in a million years though.

Someone asked why they want to march here. Its pretty obvious to me.

Hobbes

Red rag to a bull.

TBH I don't know what they plan to accomplish. They are marching in an area where people either don't care or don't want them there.

Personally I think they are going for the following.
1. Event goes ahead without a hitch and they whine on about how Republicans had no problem them marching through O'Connell street so let them march through areas in NI they are not wanted.

2. They get attacked and then report back how all Republicans are animals.

Personally I'd like to see 1 of 2 things happening.
1. Event not going ahead. I'm pretty sure having a march that you know is going to incite violence wouldn't get the go ahead.

2. It goes ahead and everyone ignores them and absolutly nothing happens, not even press. Because they are pretty inconsequencial to the ROI.

Supercell

Irjudge1 , you seem to be missing the point, what fuppin right do they have to march here in the first place??? , none is the answer.

They are all by choice British citizans..they have no right to disrupt our capitals business any more than I have to go marching around Trafalger square in London waving a tricolour shouting Tiocfaidh Ár Lá ?!! which imho is exactly the equivalent of what they are planning to do.

If they hold Irish passports then thats their right as citizans of this free country, however they aren't and as such imho don't have this right.

deisedevil

gusto wrote:

OK then. I live in a Catholic area of Belfast. Religion is not important to me but being an Irish citizen is an important part of who I am. There have been loyalist marches going past my street since I was born. When I was younger I paid little attention to these. A number of years ago five members of this community were murdered by a loyalist death squad.

The first loyalist march after this atrocity had people waving at my community and shouting 5-0. Understandably this did not go down very well within the local community. The community then stood united against these sectarian marches.

Nowadays, whenever one of these marches is forced through our community we have the British Army and PSNI move in the night before. They block of the exits and restrict our movements. We can't get in or out of our area. I've been prevented from going into town to meet friends and I've also been prevented from going to work. It feels like being under house arrest and I've never broken the law in my life.

Is this fair?

No and what sickens me is some of the idiots who come on here saying they couldn't care less about people in the North, all the rubbish about cutting it off and leaving it float out to sea etc. Same people would prob be giving out about injustices in other countries but are "sick" of hearing about problems in the north.They would rather not have to hear about problems on their own doorstep.
What have they stated as being the reason for the march. Looks like they are out to get themselves noticed, hoping for more trouble.

Longfield

Longfield wrote:

If they hold Irish passports then thats their right as citizans of this free country, however they aren't and as such imho don't have this right.

They are in the European Union and as such are perfectly entitled to come down here if they want to.
Also, the Irish constitution says that anyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen.

Anyways I thought it was a bit strange to hav a march down in Dublin. It does seem like they are trying to rub something in our faces. Consider my cheek turned.

Irjudge1

gusto wrote:

OK then. I live in a Catholic area of Belfast. Religion is not important to me but being an Irish citizen is an important part of who I am. There have been loyalist marches going past my street since I was born. When I was younger I paid little attention to these. A number of years ago five members of this community were murdered by a loyalist death squad.

The first loyalist march after this atrocity had people waving at my community and shouting 5-0. Understandably this did not go down very well within the local community. The community then stood united against these sectarian marches.

Nowadays, whenever one of these marches is forced through our community we have the British Army and PSNI move in the night before. They block of the exits and restrict our movements. We can't get in or out of our area. I've been prevented from going into town to meet friends and I've also been prevented from going to work. It feels like being under house arrest and I've never broken the law in my life.

Is this fair?

No it is completely wrong especially in light of the circumstances and I apologise for my smugness.

But I can't see that they pose any threat whatsoever in Dublin and I think they need to know that.

Sleepy

Best result I can see from this is a whole load of Dublin's scumbags getting arrested and jailed for assault. I couldn't give a rats ass who wins the scrap tbh. But presumably with all the cameras that'll be out, there shouldn't be much trouble getting a few convictions for assault out of it.

Dave!

projectmayhem wrote:

what exactly are they marching for? surely there has to be some decent reason in order to get a permit other then "we need some publicity"

if they expect everyone to line the streets cheering, clapping and waving little union jacks they should have some big surprise. it's like american troops walking into north korea unarmed in a straight line waving flags.

they get what they deserve. i look forward to the show on tv...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4520408.stm

Sam Vimes

ronoc wrote:

I would hope that the march would pass of peacefully, they get their point accross and perhaps show the people of Ulster the more reasonable side of Irelands population.

But in reality I think there could be trouble.

their point is that they want to piss people off. last year or so ian paisley said the only barrier to peace was that the ira wouldnt decommission. now they have and he looks like the bigotted pr!ck that he is. the point of this march is to test just how decommissioned they are.

mike65 wrote:

Eh? They are not English, they are Ulster Irish and consider themselves by birth and heritage British. They can't stand the English.

Let them march, its a free country and are'nt we supposed to be BIG enough to allow alternative points of view these days?

Mike.

it is a free country, but its not their country. they think they're english, so let them march through london, except they're not wanted there either.

projectmayhem wrote:

if they expect everyone to line the streets cheering, clapping and waving little union jacks they should have some big surprise.

they don't expect that. the point of the march is to piss people off. just like every other march through catholic areas.

Deleted User wrote:

They are in the European Union and as such are perfectly entitled to come down here if they want to.
Also, the Irish constitution says that anyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen.

not any more it doesn't. they had a referendum about it last year because of all the 9 month pregnant foreigners who kept coming into the country and leeching off the state

i hate the ira scum just as much as i hate the loyalist scum and i've made a point not to take sides until now. i think tony blair would make a far far better taoiseach than bertie ahern but if they do come to dublin and wave that union jack on my streets there'll be trouble. i know thats what they want and they're going to get it

whiskeyman

I'm surprised it hasnt been mentioned yet, but does anyone remember the planned Orangemen march down Dawson St on May 28th just 5 years ago?
No?
It was cancelled by the Orange order, despite it being given the go-ahead by the Gardaí and Council.
Why?
There simply didnt seem to be much fuss over it... of course, they didnt want to admit it, but it sure seems that way.

Let them march and let them do it freely and openly.
It's a free country and we've seen many groups and organisations march down O'Connell Street.
(As long as no illegal organisations get involved).
I've no problem with it as long as they regard our laws and abide them.

Tbh, some of the remarks on this thread about those who want to march are the exact reasons they want to come here.... to get you aggitated, and it seems they're doing a pretty good job.
Can't you see why they are marching in the first place? They are starting to acknowledge a United Ireland is ever closer and are afraid for their own future.

the_menace

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence. It would add fuel to these loyalists' argument that a united Ireland is a bad thing; and as far as I'm concerned it is. As much as I like the idea in theory, I don't want to share my country with these people. Leave them up North and let them live their sad, bitter, bigotted lives and let us get on with being one of the strongest economies on earth. Any peaceful people on either side of the religious divide in Ulster that want to come down and live in peace are more than welcome.

Closing Doors

Bambi wrote:

:v: <Ulster says atari jaguar!

Good sir, I salute you! I very nearly pissed myself laughing at that.

As for the march, they can f*ck right off. I'll stay well away from them...

Mr.Nice Guy

the_menace wrote:

Any peaceful people on either side of the religious divide in Ulster that want to come down and live in peace are more than welcome.

Actually with the recent shootings due to the drug gangs in Dublin, right now it would be probably safer up there. I don't know the figures but I'm sure more people have died from the shootings in Dublin than from paramilitaries in the North...

Nightwish

AFAIK, the cops havent given permission for the march as of yet. But imagine them starting the march up at Parnell Square outside the Sinn Fein HQ...(it'd be funny to send them up Parnell St and straight up to Summerhill!)
Personally and seriously, I think its a short sighted approach to their issue by the Orange order, and they are doing it to get as much attention as possible.

flogen

That makes no sense.
Why would they march in Dublin? Do they think marching here will make Irish Republicans say "hang on, maybe we shouldn't have an all island republic"? Do they think that would matter, given that such a decision will be up to the people of Ulster if it were ever to be a possibility at all?
Seems like they want trouble to me, I'm all for marches discouraging peace and encouraging co-operation, but why come to Dublin to tell people you don't like them? Go to London and tell the government you feel let down or something.

It won't happen (or else it will be messy). Is this just (as hobbes points towards) an excuse to make us look bad?

the_menace

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Actually with the recent shootings due to the drug gangs in Dublin, right now it would be probably safer up there. I don't know the figures but I'm sure more people have died from the shootings in Dublin than from paramilitaries in the North...

Maybe this year but not over the last few years. That's for sure. At any rate, shootings down here are almost exclusively criminal on criminal and anyone who wants to live in peace and devoid of bigotry are free to do so. They're totally uncomprable circumstances to be honest.

Eoin

agree with much you say but:

Commander Vimes wrote:

it is a free country, but its not their country. they think they're english, so let them march through london, except they're not wanted there either.

But they don't think they are English - they consider themselves British - just as a Welshman or Scot will consider himself British, but still not like the English.

Commander Vimes wrote:

not any more it doesn't. they had a referendum about it last year because of all the 9 month pregnant foreigners who kept coming into the country and leeching off the state

I think that was about people born in Ireland to non-EU parents. Totally different thing - as I understand it, anyone who would qualify for British citizenship in Norn Iron can also qualify for Irish citizenship. Though I can't see anyone in the Orange Lodge applying for an Irish passport...

Edit: Another thought is that there may well be many people living in Ireland who do support the Unionist view, and would therefore have as much right as anyone else to march in Dublin.

Mr.Nice Guy

the_menace wrote:

Maybe this year but not over the last few years. That's for sure. At any rate, shootings down here are almost exclusively criminal on criminal and anyone who wants to live in peace and devoid of bigotry are free to do so. They're totally uncomprable circumstances to be honest.

A man was shot dead in Ballymun flats yesterday morning. A 23 year-old man is in critical condition today after being shot in a pub in Cabra. Whether it's criminals engaging in it is irrelvant.

You portray Dublin as some sort of utopian society when people are dying left, right and centre...

gurramok

Nightwish wrote:

Personally and seriously, I think its a short sighted approach to their issue by the Orange order, and they are doing it to get as much attention as possible.

Yeh, not just Orange Order in these love ulster marches.
Did you see the one on utv weekend news bulletin in belfast, it was full of loyalist terror scum with paramilitary slogans, these are no ordinary unionist folk marching.
I'll be there protesting with my proud tricolour.

Ajnag

It piss's me off as much as any here so lets give em our best modern Irish welcome:
Screw em for every last penny in their pockets,
Provicate them in to attacking us and then sue them back to britain.

Bring yer camera's.

fly_agaric

The very fact that they want to march in Dublin is an admission of defeat in a way. The Irish govt. will have a big role in the future of NI whether they like it or not. Whether I like it or not too.

I suppose they have as much right to have their pathetic march as the falun-gong/falun-dafa heads have to protest about the Chinese Govt. on the streets of Dublin. After all, the "Unionist pehpol" can have citizenship here - if it wouldn't poison them to accept it!:D

Zillah wrote:

always thought that the north can fck right off.

Ha Ha, Couldn't agree more! I think alot of people of a certain age in the Republic feel like that.

cournioni

Should be a very entertaining march regardless. I would say the scumbags will be out in force to meet and greet them.

I find it hilarious how they say that they are representing the people of Ulster. Has it not dawned on them that Northern Ireland makes up only two thirds of Ulster?

flogen

Even if Love Ulster is really doing this in the name of peace, it's obvious that plenty of people there are looking for trouble, just read the forum page posted on page 1.
I just don't understand what the message is, it's not extending a hand to Republicans as some claim, why would they say come and join us in our fight against you lot?

SO they're marching to protest against decisions made by, mainly, the British government? Muppets.

Airblazer

actually they still haven't received a permit for the march...they've applied for one and are awaiting for the Gardai to reply..this is from the horse's mouth today on the Matt Cooper show..anyway one of the mates is a cop in Dublin and I'm about 150% sure that right at this moment he's practising all his batton moves..I for once won't be complaining about over handed gardai this time around

Lemming

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Should be a very entertaining march regardless. I would say the scumbags will be out in force to meet and greet them.

To be honset, that'd be a shame pornapster. I'd rather they marched, and there was /nobody/ there to give two flying f*cks. Think of the absolute ego-burster that would be?

They're bigots. Much like the scumbags who'd be out to "greet" them are. F*ck the lot of them. They only do it to say "hey look at me. I'm in a uniform. I have power. I'm great".

county

so it is ok for republicans to march in northern ireland waving tricolours,but not ok for loyalists to march in the south waving union flags,thank god there will never be a united ireland

gurramok

county wrote:

so it is ok for republicans to march in northern ireland waving tricolours,but not ok for loyalists to march in the south waving union flags,thank god there will never be a united ireland

Republicans up there march where they are welcome and likewise for loyalists in loyalist areas.
Loyalists are not welcome to march in any nationalist area and like wise they are not welcome to march in dublin. The cost of policing this and the trouble that will arise is not worth it.

Dyr

ehh..point being loyalists want absolutely nothing to do with the other 26 counties on this island and their six county entity was created for that express purpose, so their reasons for sharing their "culture" with us lot are disingenious. When they're fully signed up irish citizens I'll be delighted to see them bang their drums down o'connell street. NI Republicans on the other hand were born in the 6 counties and still want a 32 county republic. If the shinners were trecking over to London to wave tricolours and sing Sean South your analogy might have made sense. Sorry bout that.


:v: < we should have the gardai water cannons blessed and at the ready to mass baptise 'em as dirty papists

Resistance

I can see the CIRA trowing a few pipe bombs at them

Dyr

Closing Doors wrote:

Good sir, I salute you! I very nearly pissed myself laughing at that.

:v: <dont be givin bambi credit for my lines..Im the brains in this outfit!

nlgbbbblth

Longfield wrote:

o unless if was for something clearly crazy like all rapists should get a one year sentance and all ppl caught speeding a 15 year one.

heheh cool idea for a march.

Big Ears

Someone from the Government should great them and tell them that coming that to the Republic is an integral part in building a United Ireland , they'll never want to come down here again .

'so it is ok for republicans to march in northern ireland waving tricolours,but not ok for loyalists to march in the south waving union flags,thank god there will never be a united ireland'

People from the north that hold Irish passports are citizens of Northern Ireland and the republic , people from the north that hold British passports are citizens of Norther Ireland and Britain . That's the difference .

nlgbbbblth

If there is a counter protest will any of the protestors be wearing Celtic shirts?

If so, what's their problem with wearing the jersies of proper Irish clubs like Shamrock Rovers, Bohemians, Derry City etc?

Mr.Nice Guy

county wrote:

so it is ok for republicans to march in northern ireland waving tricolours,but not ok for loyalists to march in the south waving union flags,

I don't recall much support for the 'Make Parition History' parade by Republicans actually.

county wrote:

thank god there will never be a united ireland

Course there will. Just ask the unionists marching down to their nation's capital in Dublin.

Willymuncher

This really pisses me off, those bastards can stay where they belong, Its going to create an amount of trouble. I hope they get the welcome they deserve, I'm not usually a hateful person but this is taking the piss.

shltter

Let them march
What they would like is to be attacked so they can go home and tell everyone what a bunch of protestant hating papists we all are down south.

IMO this is their country as well and the fact that they want to march here is just a recognition of the fact.

This is a democracy and we do not have to agree with people to let them march let them march down O'Connell st waving their union jacks no reaction at all would be the best response.

m1ke

I hope that the march will go ahead peacefully. I hope there is some official ROI representation at it to meet and greet with the victims etc... and also to let them know that in the ROI it is ok to voice your democratic aspirations. I'm sure this Love Ulster group has a lot of preconceptions about how they are likely to be treated in Ireland, and i've no doubt that a segment of them want all their preconcieved ideas to be validated through a violent response to their peaceful march in Dublin. If some of the base and emotional responses of the posters on this tread ever see reality then i'm sure the Unionists will undoubtedly feel validated. Both sides will continue to feel secure in their pre-assigned roles... and so the conflict will perpetuate indefinitely. However, if the response they recieved were peaceful and even cooperative, it would be a landmark testament to how far the ROI has developed in the last 70 years of state-hood. It would show how this is a much better place to be a citizen then in Northern Ireland.

Binomate

I can't wait to march, I've got all of my signs and t-shirts ready!

Devon

Somehow I don't see this one having a happy ending if it goes ahead...

scojones

Right, I read as far as Hobbes' post on page 4 of this thread, and a thought came to me when he mentioned he would love to see it go ahead and no media coverage of it was aired.

Right - I'd love that too. But, now you have to admit, Sky News would have a field day with this and be broadcasting it all over the world. Do you really think they would ignore it? And if they are following it, then the other news channels will have to follow suit, otherwise it would be a "sky news exclusive". Etc etc etc.

I don't want this to go ahead. I am not pro IRA, I do not condone the killings of others, however, I do not want them to march in Dublin.

As has already been said on here....
1. There is no political need for it, or any kind of need that I can see. We are seperate.

2. I see this as an attempt to cause trouble, you can see this from the comments on their website - as already posted by some of the boards members.

Can you imagine Sinn Fein staging marches in London looking for a united Ireland? I don't think that will happen, there are ways to go about things, Sinn Fein are doing that via democracy. Northern Ireland is seperate from us, and I don't see why they want to march here.

The only thing I see from this, is those lads trying to cause trouble.

Now, is there anything we can do? Would sending letters/emails/making phone calls to our local representatives and to the big boys in Dublin make any difference?

Should the people of Ireland have a vote on this? Now that would be interesting.