Offside or not?

shelsfan

Could a team-mate play a through ball to me when I'm closer to the goal than the defenders but the other side of the sideline without me being ruled offside.
Check out the diagram:
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KdjaCL

Your off the ptich cant be offside if not on the pitch(hence player stepping off it at corners), to resume playing you must come on at the haflway line. Technically not offside but its a free out if you receive the ball.

kdjac

Chardee MacDennis

you're also not allowed leave or enter the pitch without the referees permission

Jivin Turkey

Call_me_al wrote:

you're also not allowed leave or enter the pitch without the referees permission

I've seen a player booked for that! Granted the ref had a distinct smell of cheap whiskey off him.......

Necronomicon

I remember two seasons ago when Chelsea played Arsenal at Highbury, Crespo went off to tie his shoe-lace behind Lehmann's goal. Play started to build up, and the ball game down towards the Arsenal box. Crespo ran back onto the pitch, undetected by both referee and linesman, and hit a belter from outside the box.

MrJoeSoap

Necromomicon wrote:

I remember two seasons ago when Chelsea played Arsenal at Highbury, Crespo went off to tie his shoe-lace behind Lehmann's goal. Play started to build up, and the ball game down towards the Arsenal box. Crespo ran back onto the pitch, undetected by both referee and linesman, and hit a belter from outside the box.

I remember that well.

In response to KdjaC's post, has anyone ever seen someone given offside from a corner? Surely its an impossibility or pretty darn close to it.

redspider

Shelsfan, in your scenario you are offside/not allowed to leave the field and re-enter play without permission, etc.

Btw, in terms of leaving the field its not so strict. In the spirit of the game, if a winger steps over the line, its allowed, and he can re-enter whilst playing the ball, especially if he's running around a defender. Ref's lso turn a blind eye to players staying behind the end-line and removing themselves from the play, they can re-enter whenever they feel like it. I'm not sure if all of these situations are written down in law.

In terms of the Crespo case, from my vague recollection I understood that he was in an offside position/gained an advantage, but that this was missed by the officials. It doesnt negate from the fact that he was offside.


> has anyone ever seen someone given offside from a corner? Surely its an impossibility or pretty darn close to it.

You cant be offside from a corner.


redspider

mchurl

MrJoeSoap wrote:

I remember that well.

In response to KdjaC's post, has anyone ever seen someone given offside from a corner? Surely its an impossibility or pretty darn close to it.

Pretty much impossible becuase once the bal is played backwards you cant be offside.

Pigman II

Call_me_al wrote:

you're also not allowed leave or enter the pitch without the referees permission

Well you see wingers walk past the endline and even strikers walk into the goalnet all the time to avoid getting their team caught offside.

Pigman II

mchurl wrote:

Pretty much impossible becuase once the bal is played backwards you cant be offside.

Why is it an impossibility? On an inswinging corner the ball is moving forward for at least part of the the kick. If the defence had no one on the posts (unlikely I know) then there would be a possibility of offside occuring.

It's highly unlikely but nowhere near impossible imho.

Edit. Actually now I'm not so sure. Is there anything in the rules that cover a pass that goes both backwards and forwards?

MrJoeSoap

Pigman II wrote:

Edit. Actually now I'm not so sure. Is there anything in the rules that cover a pass that goes both backwards and forwards?

Oh Lord, we're in too deep! I want out! I WANT OUT!

Pigman II

To get back to the original question I reckon you would be offside if you were the first person to touch the ball in that position after the pass was made. I think it's comparable to the scenario where a player stands off the pitch on the attacking endline and then drops back onto the field of play to recieve a long pass after it has been made.

Anyway, you know if your scenario was legal VanNistelrooy would have tried it by now.

Thanx 4 The Fish

It is whether or not there is a man ahead of the ball, in the oppos half behind the last man. Since the man cannot be ahead of the ball when it is played from a corner (it being on the end line and all) he cannot be offside. You can be off in the second phase of an attack once the ball has been cleared and comes back in.

Pigman II

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

It is whether or not there is a man ahead of the ball, in the oppos half behind the last man. Since the man cannot be ahead of the ball when it is played from a corner (it being on the end line and all) he cannot be offside. You can be off in the second phase of an attack once the ball has been cleared and comes back in.

Actually now that you say it that makes sense!

What about these two, offside or not offside?

http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offside12yo.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offside28us.jpg

Villain

1st one is not offside as attacking player is behind the ball, the 2nd is offside.

It is worth remembering that the attacker has to be either behind the ball to be onside or have at least TWO opposition players level with him or ahead of him. So if a goalkeeper is drawn out of position and the attacker passes the ball to his team mate who is front of him and there is only has one defender in front of him he is offside as there is only one opposition player in front of him!

RasTa

A is onside and B is offside

Thanx 4 The Fish

Pigman II wrote:

Actually now that you say it that makes sense!

What about these two, offside or not offside?

http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offside12yo.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offside28us.jpg

Am a ref, have to know these things . Unfortunately unless there is an idea of how the player got into the position and where in the move we are at that stage I could not say if 2 is offside. 1 is not as the ball is ahead of both players.

Pigman II

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Am a ref, have to know these things . Unfortunately unless there is an idea of how the player got into the position and where in the move we are at that stage I could not say if 2 is offside. 1 is not as the ball is ahead of both players.

Forgot to draw the motion lines in the 2nd blue player. The blue player recieving the ball is moving away from the red goal in order to recieve the ball. He is in an offside position when the pass is struck. He is onside by the time the curve of the ball has changed to forward motion.

Basicaly what I'm trying to portray is a curved pass that goes ever so slightly backwards before forwards and by the time the pass is moving in a foward direction 'bluey' recieving the ball is onside. Real splitsecond stuff I know.

Probably should have shown it as a crossfield ball to give you a better idea of what I meant.


Personally I reckon it's offside.

Thanx 4 The Fish

What you have described is offside. There is nothing in the laws of the game about the direction the ball takes on the way. If a player is ahead of the ball and between the last man (keeper) and second last man when the ball is struck, he is offside, it does not matter about the direction the ball was sent before it got to that player.

There is the new interpretation about active and inactive but that is a little harder to explain.

Pigman II

Well I never!

So this is offside too then I presume?

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offside30iu.jpg

MrJoeSoap

Pigman II wrote:

Well I never!

So this is offside too then I presume?

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offside30iu.jpg

There's no daylight there!

T4TF wrote:

Since the man cannot be ahead of the ball when it is played from a corner (it being on the end line and all)

Corners don't always have to be taken on the end-line though.