Keano Offered United Testimonial

The Muppet

Roy Keane has been offered a testimonial by Man United. THe game will be against Celtic but a date has not been finalised yet. It will give United fans an the opportunity to give Keano a proper farewell and Keano the chance to say a goodbye.

BaZmO*

I wonder will he take it though?

B.

Hobart

BaZmO* wrote:

I wonder will he take it though?

B.

If AF is still at the helm, I would doubt it.

The Muppet

BaZmO* wrote:

I wonder will he take it though?

B.

I'd be surprised if he didn't, guess we'll have to wait and see.

PHB

Em, this was announced after he left.
It was part of his settlement, and why they came to a 'mutual decision', and inturn keano lost about 5 million for his contract.
This was the comprimise, as it'll bring in about 5 million

Hobart

PHB wrote:

Em, this was announced after he left.
It was part of his settlement, and why they came to a 'mutual decision', and inturn keano lost about 5 million for his contract.
This was the comprimise, as it'll bring in about 5 million

I didn't think that any details of the settlement where released. Maybe I'm wrong, whats your source for this, or do you have any relevant linkage? I understand that there was a lot of speculation around why Keane was sacked and what the parting deal was, but I didn't see Keano/his representatives or Manu actually confirming anything.

cournioni

Hobart wrote:

Keane was sacked.

Was he?

20 Times 20 Times

Roy Keane is too proud to take this match.

Hobart

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Was he?

That would be mine, and others, opinions. He was sacked for undermining his fellow players and manger in a, now, infamous TV interview. Then again it could have been one huge big coincidence.

BaZmO*

Hobart wrote:

I didn't think that any details of the settlement where released.

Hobart wrote:

Keane was sacked

Contractdiction?

Hobart wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong

Maybe.

B.

Hobart

Sarge wrote:

Roy Keane is too proud to take this match.

I totally agree with you.

BaZmO*

Hobart wrote:

That would be mine, and others, opinions. He was sacked for undermining his fellow players and manger in a, now, infamous TV interview. Then again it could have been one huge big coincidence.

Hobart wrote:

whats your source for this

Indeed.

B.

Hobart

BaZmO* wrote:

Contractdiction?

No. Why would you think that.No matter if he was sacked/left of his own accord/mutually agreed etc.. there would have been a settlement. Why would you think differently?

cournioni

Hobart wrote:

That would be mine, and others, opinions. He was sacked for undermining his fellow players and manger in a, now, infamous TV interview. Then again it could have been one huge big coincidence.

But his contract was cancelled on mutual agreement according to Man United and Keane. Does that not make your opinion an invalid one?

Hobart

BaZmO* wrote:

Indeed.

B.

You need a source for an opinion now? Lol. You one liners are really making sense. :rolleyes:

BaZmO*

Hobart wrote:

You need a source for an opinion now? Lol. You one liners are really making sense. :rolleyes:

It's either Opinion or Fact? Which is it?

B.

Hobart

PORNAPSTER wrote:

But his contract was cancelled on mutual agreement according to Man United and Keane. Does that not make your opinion an invalid one?

Not really. I don't believe what Manu said. It is my opinion that he was sacked. It's a valid opinon.

Hobart

BaZmO* wrote:

It's either Opinion or Fact? Which is it?

B.

I think I clearly stated that it was my opinion. Would you like me to quote it for you?

cournioni

Hobart wrote:

Not really. I don't believe what Manu said. It is my opinion that he was sacked. It's a valid opinon.

So both United and Keane are lying then... Right...

Hobart

PORNAPSTER wrote:

So both United and Keane are lying then... Right...

The facts of the episode would certainly lend credence to that hypotesis, yes. I'm glad you have seen the light and agree with me.

Rikand

PHB wrote:

Em, this was announced after he left.
It was part of his settlement, and why they came to a 'mutual decision', and inturn keano lost about 5 million for his contract.
This was the comprimise, as it'll bring in about 5 million

i remember this aswell...<sighs> guess we gotta go dredge up some linkage from somewhere, lol

The Rooster

There's no question in my mind he was sacked.

He was told he was no longer required, and after negotiation a settlement was reached and his contract was terminated. Some people might call it mutual agreement, but it was instigated by ManU.

Like PHB, I heard at the time that part of the settlement was a testimonial. This was obviously agreed at the time, and not just now. What has been agreed now is that the opposition will be Celtic. A date will still have to be agreed, and may be around the time of the Scottish Cup Final.

I myself was surprised that Keane wanted a testimonial. A lot of hassle and bullsh!t to go through, although maybe its worth it for a few mill! Though I'm sure he wont be the only one to benefit.

BaZmO*

Hobart wrote:

I think I clearly stated that it was my opinion. Would you like me to quote it for you?

No need to quote yourself, the point is that your opinion is wrong. You're the one that started the "where's your link" business.

Here's a link to the BBC wesite and the the official statement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4449396.stm

United's full statement read: "Manchester United has today reached agreement with Roy Keane for Roy to leave the club with immediate effect.

"The agreement allows Roy to sign a long term deal with another club to enable him to secure his playing career beyond what would have been the end of his contract at United in the summer.

"The club has offered Roy a testimonial in recognition of his 12-and-a-half years at Old Trafford.

"The club thanks Roy for his major contribution to the club during his years of service."

Can't see any mention of him being sacked there.

B.

Rikand

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4449396.stm

linkage

Gill said: "Roy has been a towering figure at the club for over a decade. His dedication, talent and leadership have been qualities that have marked him out as one of the true greats.

"On behalf of everyone at the club, we wish him every success in his future career."

United's full statement read: "Manchester United has today reached agreement with Roy Keane for Roy to leave the club with immediate effect.

"The agreement allows Roy to sign a long term deal with another club to enable him to secure his playing career beyond what would have been the end of his contract at United in the summer.

"The club has offered Roy a testimonial in recognition of his 12-and-a-half years at Old Trafford.

"The club thanks Roy for his major contribution to the club during his years of service."

Hobart

BaZmO* wrote:

No need to quote yourself, the point is that your opinion is wrong. You're the one that started the "where's your link" business.

Here's a link to the BBC wesite and the the official statement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4449396.stm


Can't see any mention of him being sacked there.

B.

Your in no position to tell me wwther my opinion is right or wrong. My opinion is just that, my opinion.

I still say the facts would lend crenedence to the fact that Keane was sacked. That is my opinion.

Hobart

Rickylovesuall wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4449396.stm

linkage

The linkage refers to the club offering Keane a testimonial. It does not state that it will be against Celtic. PHB maintained that this fact had been mentioned at the news conference when Keanes departure was announced. The Muppet in his OP detailed the testimonial. As The Muppet is a Manu fan, I am sure that he was, as was I, aware that a testimonial had been offered as a sweetener to Keane.

My question to PHB was in relation to the detail, as opposed to the general statement. Both your link and Bazmo's link are old news and moot tbh.

BaZmO*

Ok. Now I see, it's no longer any use asking people for links as 'opinion' now overrides fact. Wasn't aware of those changes.

B.

Hobart

BaZmO* wrote:

Ok. Now I see, it's no longer any use asking people for links as 'opinion' now overrides fact. Wasn't aware of those changes.

B.

What changes? Opinion is opinion and fact is fact. Is that concept too vast for your brain to comprehend?

There are no changes. The equilibrium does not need to be restored. Get over yourself.

cournioni

Hobart wrote:

The facts of the episode would certainly lend credence to that hypotesis, yes. I'm glad you have seen the light and agree with me.

What are the "facts" of the episode then so?

Rikand

The Muppet wrote:

Roy Keane has been offered a testimonial by Man United.

PHB wrote:

Em, this was announced after he left.
It was part of his settlement, and why they came to a 'mutual decision', and inturn keano lost about 5 million for his contract.
This was the comprimise, as it'll bring in about 5 million

I would imagine this is where there is some confusion being caused, i read PHB's statement as that we all already knew about their being a testimonial, but not taking into account that you are adding the celtic part of it into it... i and i imagine others thought you were disputing that the testimonial itself had ever been mentioned and not who it was to be played against

Hobart

PORNAPSTER wrote:

What are the "facts" of the episode then so?

Trawl though this if you want to. There is also plenty of information on the interweb. Have a look at www.google.com and enter the relevant key words. I have no inclination to humour you or bring this thread further off topic.

The Muppet

The testimonial was metioned in the media at the time of his release but there was nothing definite. United have now Publically announced that they have offered Keano a testimonal at the end of this season with Celtice to be the proposed opponents which is why I posted this thread.


Is there any precedent for a club sacking a player and the offering him a testimonial, I have certainly never heard of it happening before.

Hobart wrote:

I have no inclination to humour you or bring this thread further off topic.

My Thread so feel free to post whatever information you have , I and apparently otheres would be very interest to see what solid information you have based your opinion on.

Hobart

The Muppet wrote:

The testimonial was metioned in the media at the time of his release but there was nothing definite. United have now Publically announced that they have offered Keano a testimonal at the end of this season with Celtice to be the proposed opponents which is why I posted this thread.

David Gill announced it as part of the settlement. I believe it's Celtic that they are going to play.

Is there any precedent for a club sacking a player and the offering him a testimonial, I have certainly never heard of it happening before.

In order for a precedent to be set it has to happen for the first time.

My Thread so feel free to post whatever information you have , I and apparently otheres would be very interest to see what solid information you have based your opinion on.

Firstly this is NOT your thread. You do not own threads on this BB. You can start, contribute, quote from, read and ignore those which you see. You DO NOT own any of the threads on this BB and you most definately do not say what can and cannot be said on this or any other board on this site.

Secondly I have provided links above which can give you as much information as you seek. Feel free to use them at your discretion. Any other questions?

The Muppet

Hobart wrote:

Firstly this is NOT your thread. You do not own threads on this BB. You can start, contribute, quote from, read and ignore those which you see. You DO NOT own any of the threads on this BB and you most definately do not say what can and cannot be said on this or any other board on this site.

The op of any thread on bulletin boards maintains a certain amount of ownership. If you want use the excuse of not wishing to go OT to avoid answering the question that is no surprise to me.

Hobart

The Muppet wrote:

The op of any thread on bulletin boards maintains a certain amount of ownership.

No he/she does not. Your talking crap.

If you want use the excuse of not wishing to go OT to avoid answering the question that is no surprise to me.

I am not making excuses here Tinky. I simply have no inclination of starting another flame fest with you wrt the reasons for Roy Keanes sacking. I have provided linkage above, I can organise a course in searching for you tom if you want, but I'm not willing to get back into the reasons here. They have been done to death.

The Muppet

Hobart wrote:

No he/she does not. Your talking crap.

I.ll agree to differ with you on that as this is not the place to debate it.

Hobart wrote:

I am not making excuses here Tinky. I simply have no inclination of starting another flame fest with you wrt the reasons for Roy Keanes sacking. I have provided linkage above, I can organise a course in searching for you tom if you want, but I'm not willing to get back into the reasons here. They have been done to death.

LOL Whats with the Tinky and Tom Comments am I supposed to be intimidated?

I.m not flaming I and others have asked you to indicate why you insist Roy Keane was sacked . If you can't do that thats fine by me I will assume it is just a notion you have formed in your own head.

scuba steve

i wonder would he take the match. As someone mentioned, he could be too proud to take it

Hobart

The Muppet wrote:

I.ll agree to differ with you on that as this is not the place to debate it.

you can agree to differ all you want. The fact is that you do have any claim of ownership over anything on this site. Simple. Clear and Fact.

LOL Whats with the Tinky and Tom Comments am I supposed to be intimidated?

Must have been a typo Tom. Sorry would not resort to intimidation, like following other posters around different sites harresing them. That would not be my style at all Tom

I.m not flaming I and others have asked you to indicate why you insist Roy Keane was sacked .

Because the facts speak for themselves. It is my opinion that he was sacked.

If you can't do that thats fine by me I will assume it is just a notion you have formed in your own head.

Assume away my friend. You know what they say about assume.

The Muppet

Hobart wrote:

Must have been a typo Tom. Sorry would not resort to intimidation, like following other posters around different sites harresing them. That would not be my style at all Tom

Good Chap.

Hobart wrote:

Because the facts speak for themselves. It is my opinion that he was sacked. Assume away my friend. You know what they say about assume.

If only you had provided any facts to support your flawed opinion that would make sense. I 'll leave at that unless you have something intelligent to add ,otherwise you and your over active imagination can have the last word on the subject.

Hobart

The Muppet wrote:

If only you had provided any facts to support your flawed opinion that would make sense. I 'll leave at that unless you have something intelligent to add ,otherwise you and your over active imagination can have the last word on the subject.

Ok Muppet, let me make this clear. It is not my job to explain english to you or to educate you. I will state this 1 more time:

It is my opinion that Roy Keane was sacked. My reading of the facts that surround the sacking(imo) of Roy Keane on the 18/11/2005 is that he was sacked by Manu. That is my opinion. If anybody is interested in the facts surrounding this case please feel free to read the thread I have linked to above and or use the many internet search engines available to the masses.

I also know, from personal experience, that a number of admins have explained to you clearly what are and what are not your rights on this site. This is despite the fact that you have tried to not only hoodwink them, but many other users of this site in the past. I would suggest that you retract your ownership of anything on this site before it forces you into a second embarresing public apology. Thats just a piece of advice as an aside.

Triton

Hobart wrote:

Ok Muppet, let me make this clear. It is not my job to explain english to you or to educate you. I will state this 1 more time:

It is my opinion that Roy Keane was sacked. My reading of the facts that surround the sacking(imo) of Roy Keane on the 18/11/2005 is that he was sacked by Manu. That is my opinion. If anybody is interested in the facts surrounding this case please feel free to read the thread I have linked to above and or use the many internet search engines available to the masses.

I also know, from personal experience, that a number of admins have explained to you clearly what are and what are not your rights on this site. This is despite the fact that you have tried to not only hoodwink them, but many other users of this site in the past. I would suggest that you retract your ownership of anything on this site before it forces you into a second embarresing public apology. Thats just a piece of advice as an aside.

*Yawn*

Hobart

Triton wrote:

*Yawn*

Log in Log out. Lollers. Great contribution .

PHB

What the hell is going on here?

My question to PHB was in relation to the detail, as opposed to the general statement. Both your link and Bazmo's link are old news and moot tbh.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

I didn't think that any details of the settlement where released.

The details were released in the general statement which says the following,

United's full statement read: "Manchester United has today reached agreement with Roy Keane for Roy to leave the club with immediate effect.

"The agreement allows Roy to sign a long term deal with another club to enable him to secure his playing career beyond what would have been the end of his contract at United in the summer.

"The club has offered Roy a testimonial in recognition of his 12-and-a-half years at Old Trafford.

"The club thanks Roy for his major contribution to the club during his years of service."

The parts of the settlement are highlighted in bold.

I would imagine this is where there is some confusion being caused, i read PHB's statement as that we all already knew about their being a testimonial, but not taking into account that you are adding the celtic part of it into it... i and i imagine others thought you were disputing that the testimonial itself had ever been mentioned and not who it was to be played against

Well that might make some sense, although it would be silly sense, since every time Keane has talked about a testimonial it has always been against Celtic. Furthermore he had tried to organise one before twice against Celtic, but they couldn't organise a time.

So what in the world are you on about Hobart?

garred

Personally I think Keane was asked to leave. The usual "mutual agreement" press conference was probably agreed upon. I'd say he voiced his opinions once too many times but he could'nt be sacked because of his reporte with the fans and the fact that over the years, Stam, Ince, Beckham mysteriously left United. Have to state that its just my opinion.
All will be revealed when/if he writes a book;)

scuba steve

they took the captaincy away from him, Keane threatened to leave if they did, SAF said "grand, nice knowing ya, all the best in the future". Thats what happened

cournioni

scuba steve wrote:

they took the captaincy away from him, Keane threatened to leave if they did, SAF said "grand, nice knowing ya, all the best in the future". Thats what happened

Really? Do you have proof of this?

20 Times 20 Times

scuba steve wrote:

they took the captaincy away from him, Keane threatened to leave if they did, SAF said "grand, nice knowing ya, all the best in the future". Thats what happened

Now its time for more rumours to come out :rolleyes:

scuba steve

i remember reading it, trying to find link now. But i know that it was on the lines of that anyway, SAF and Qeuiroz (sp?) were talking to him about taking the captains armband away from him because he wouldnt be playing as much as usual, so Keane said i might aswell leave if yere taking the armband away anyway.
Will post link as soon as i get it

Jivin Turkey

It's common knowledge that it was actually Ferguson that was sacked, and immediately replaced with Mick McCarthy, to which Keane instantly walked out, only for United to be accussed of poaching McCarthy, to which McCarthy was forced to re-sign for Sunderland, and Ferguson was consequently re-instated as United manager.

IMO, of course.

PHB

lol

The Muppet

Jivin Turkey wrote:

It's common knowledge that it was actually Ferguson that was sacked, and immediately replaced with Mick McCarthy, to which Keane instantly walked out, only for United to be accussed of poaching McCarthy, to which McCarthy was forced to re-sign for Sunderland, and Ferguson was consequently re-instated as United manager.

IMO, of course.

LOL That was the beanos version of events.:)