If Mikado returns...

Loomis

mloc123 wrote:

Return of the Mach

Such a clever boy

shroomfox

I'm kind of happy.

If it returns, maybe I'll sue as well. That would be hilarious!

LOL LOL LOL

Placebo

mloc123 wrote:

Return of the biggest geek

dun dun dun

Loomis

Placebo wrote:

dun dun dun

How can you tell if you're only seeing his post more than an hour later?

St_Crispin

joe316 wrote:

and what about the rest of the college? they better than cs?

Nope. They should use the pod machines and the machines in callan foyer.
Pacr's and Labs should be for work. I can't see anywhere that it says the college should help people surf the net for fun.

And considering how much crap has been caused on mikado by people from comp sci, I don't see why the comp sci would want anyone posting from there either.

As far as I know the comp sci depts view is that it is not your right to be in college, it's your privilege. There are many others who would grateful to have the chane you have and they would be responsible enough not to post scat or troll.

TouchingVirus

St_Crispin wrote:

Nope. They should use the pod machines and the machines in callan foyer.
Pacr's and Labs should be for work. I can't see anywhere that it says the college should help people surf the net for fun.

And considering how much crap has been caused on mikado by people from comp sci, I don't see why the comp sci would want anyone posting from there either.

As far as I know the comp sci depts view is that it is not your right to be in college, it's your privilege. There are many others who would grateful to have the chane you have and they would be responsible enough not to post scat or troll.

If you want to get specific you should read the Computer Centre Usage Policy. The computer centre are the people who control the entire internet access to this college. This encompasses the apartments, PACR's, the Art's Block POD and even the Computer Science's internet access.

Guidelines for Usage wrote:

University computing facilities and accounts are to be used for the University-related activities for which they are assigned. This policy applies equally to all University-owned or University-leased computers.

Under no circumstances are any computers assigned for "recreational" use so people can browse videos.google.com or mess about on www.milkandcookies.com

Code Of Conduct wrote:

Under the Code of Conduct you are not permitted to:

1. engage in activities which waste resources (people, networks, computers);

Infact, recreational usage would fall into the category of "wasting resources" as outlined above.

To single out the CS lab's is just discrimination against students who have access to these computers.

To those not in the know, there were a few events that occured from a MiNDS> machine a couple of years ago (which resides unfirewalled - except the standard port blocks that the CC uses *port 6667 - irc etc.*) which caused havoc for the CS department, yet the society still exists and still resides on the CS network.

To dump or restrict access to something just because it causes you some heartache is a foolish way to deal with any topic and doesn't address the real problem (which in this case was the punishment system, or lack thereof, for Mikado)


By the logic of your argument, that CS computers should only be used for academic purposes, then renting or booking of Lecture Theatres/Rooms for talks or other society use should also be revoked, since these rooms should be used for academic purposes (not society purposes) - obviously a foolish and backwards way of thinking.

It is your privilege to have access to computer centre facilities and they reserve the right to restrict this privilege or revoke it at any time. So obviously, this doesn't only hold for the CS department. It is also your privilege to be in college. Test out the discipline committee a few times and you'll see what i mean.


To be honest, you come across as a very disgruntled student who has a chip on their shoulder about the CS facilities and the freedom CS students are granted. It sounds like you have had to wait for a computer in a PACR because somebody is messing around on the internet and this managed to disturb the water that is your ever-calm mood. Why don't you do me and the other students a favour and next time keep your simple ideas to yourself before you go have a pop at the CS students/department?

St_Crispin

TouchingVirus wrote:

If you want to get specific you should read the Computer Centre Usage Policy. The computer centre are the people who control the entire internet access to this college. This encompasses the apartments, PACR's, the Art's Block POD and even the Computer Science's internet access.

Under no circumstances are any computers assigned for "recreational" use so people can browse videos.google.com or mess about on www.milkandcookies.com

Infact, recreational usage would fall into the category of "wasting resources" as outlined above.

To single out the CS lab's is just discrimination against students who have access to these computers.

To those not in the know, there were a few events that occured from a MiNDS> machine a couple of years ago (which resides unfirewalled - except the standard port blocks that the CC uses *port 6667 - irc etc.*) which caused havoc for the CS department, yet the society still exists and still resides on the CS network.

To dump or restrict access to something just because it causes you some heartache is a foolish way to deal with any topic and doesn't address the real problem (which in this case was the punishment system, or lack thereof, for Mikado)


By the logic of your argument, that CS computers should only be used for academic purposes, then renting or booking of Lecture Theatres/Rooms for talks or other society use should also be revoked, since these rooms should be used for academic purposes (not society purposes) - obviously a foolish and backwards way of thinking.

It is your privilege to have access to computer centre facilities and they reserve the right to restrict this privilege or revoke it at any time. So obviously, this doesn't only hold for the CS department. It is also your privilege to be in college. Test out the discipline committee a few times and you'll see what i mean.


To be honest, you come across as a very disgruntled student who has a chip on their shoulder about the CS facilities and the freedom CS students are granted. It sounds like you have had to wait for a computer in a PACR because somebody is messing around on the internet and this managed to disturb the water that is your ever-calm mood. Why don't you do me and the other students a favour and next time keep your simple ideas to yourself before you go have a pop at the CS students/department?

I've never waited for a pacr. I haven't got a grudge against the cs dept. In fact I have many friends who are students, tutors and lecturers in that dept. And many of those feel that the cs students are abusing their privilages.

I said that with the exception of the pod and callan foyer (which despite the computer centre usage policy are provided so students can check mail, surf etc... So that it will take pressure of the pacr's) ALL labs etc... should be for college work. I might mave mentioned the cs dept specificly, but I included all departments and all computer labs.

As for comparing it to using a room, that's different and you know it. Rooms do not need constant attention. They don't cost anything near the amount of a lab to maintain. They don't need a technican to look after them. They don't have users posting up porn. They don't suck up bandwidth.

A number of years ago, internet access from the callan building was banned except for one lab (and postgrads). Nobody complained. That was just the way it was. But mention restricting one site from those machines, which is what I originally suggested, and you get an uproar.

Those machines, your access, your entire college experience is not a right, it's a privilage. You're there to learn. Not post on mikado and I see no reason why if it's causing so much crap, the comp sci dept should facilitate it.

St_Crispin

Let me put it slightly different, why do you think after all the crap, the comp sci dept should allow their users (at least from labs) to access mikado.

TouchingVirus

St_Crispin wrote:

I've never waited for a pacr. I haven't got a grudge against the cs dept. In fact I have many friends who are students, tutors and lecturers in that dept. And many of those feel that the cs students are abusing their privilages.

I said that with the exception of the pod and callan foyer (which despite the computer centre usage policy are provided so students can check mail, surf etc... So that it will take pressure of the pacr's) ALL labs etc... should be for college work. I might mave mentioned the cs dept specificly, but I included all departments and all computer labs.

As for comparing it to using a room, that's different and you know it. Rooms do not need constant attention. They don't cost anything near the amount of a lab to maintain. They don't need a technican to look after them. They don't have users posting up porn. They don't suck up bandwidth.

A number of years ago, internet access from the callan building was banned except for one lab (and postgrads). Nobody complained. That was just the way it was. But mention restricting one site from those machines, which is what I originally suggested, and you get an uproar.

Those machines, your access, your entire college experience is not a right, it's a privilage. You're there to learn. Not post on mikado and I see no reason why if it's causing so much crap, the comp sci dept should facilitate it.

Why would the Computer Centre not just go nazi on the usage of computers for recreational use? Why would it appease the masses by providing the foyer and POD?

The thing is, it is impractical to restrict access to the internet and they know it. College, whilst a privilege, is not just a place to learn. There are a lot of extra-curricular activites promoted by the college by way of societies, the ability to put up posters and event's organised by the SU etc.

College is not purely academic as you seem to think, though at the end of it we do aim to come out with a Degree/Diploma or better to prove we know the stuff we came here to learn. That is of course assuming you came here to learn. Many people come to college because it is "the norm". They come here to socialise, to make new friends and to become a better person (both academically and socially).

Similarly, access to the internet for "recreation" can be used to broaden the horizons of people who may otherwise be too shy to communicate (by means of boards/IM's etc). Or perhaps they wish to become active in a society and want to research something for themselves to not appear braindead when applying for membership. Maybe they would like to see information on a certain subject (type of music or whatever the subject is)..

This recreational use can make them into a better person, and part of learning is to learn about oneself. There is no point in leaving college being an ass.hole whole scored First's in everything yet is no more developed as a person than when they began.

The above is not to say Mikado will broaden your horizon substantially and is a general argument for recreational use throughout the college.

Onto mikado specifics, it introduces a wide range of people, just like boards.ie who have vastly different opinions on all things and different areas of interest. It gives these people a medium to communicate through (as does a Bar or whatever but thats a more personal medium).


The CS labs will be here anyways. They will still operate and still cost money to run and require techie's - and that's with or without access to mikado! Your point here is fundamentally flawed.

As for the CS denying access to mikado :

Well to punish many for the actions of few is a gross injustice to be honest. Users should have the sense not to post porn/scat or any other dodgy material from a computer inside the college. Obviously some users don't and it is these who should be punished, not the general users of mikado.

In a way the CS department would give disapproval to mikado if access was denied, and the college should not be biased to any society (either for or against).

The CS lab's are a great facility for people like me to access Mikado. As you may know i am a Mikado Coder, and PACR's/Pod/Foyer do not provide enough freedom for me to program for mikado. I need my own specific programs to form my Dev Environment. I need specific access/applications to update the mikado CVS with new things etc etc. The CS lab's provide me with that freedom and this is a positive. These things are not strictly required by me to facilitate my efforts in helping mikado, but they are of great assistance

It can be argued that this discriminates against wannabe-coders who don't have access to the CS labs and this is true. However, that is my privilege as a CSSE student and as i said, not a necessity.

Mach

mloc123 wrote:

Return of the Mach

May the Source be with you:)

Marco Polo

See, you're looking at it backwards. You're treating the situation as though: "Most CS students cause problems on Mikado."

In fact, it's :
"Most problems on Mikado are caused by CS students."

Big difference there. This situation isn't the department's fault, it's the people keep posting/pming scat/gay porn/standard porn. If you're banned over and over, you shouldn't be let back in.

Placebo

Marco Polo wrote:

See, you're looking at it backwards. You're treating the situation as though: "Most CS students cause problems on Mikado."

In fact, it's :
"Most problems on Mikado are caused by CS students."

Big difference there. This situation isn't the department's fault, it's the people keep posting/pming scat/gay porn/standard porn. If you're banned over and over, you shouldn't be let back in.

yeah thats possible.
nice force feild you got there

mloc123

Marco Polo wrote:

See, you're looking at it backwards. You're treating the situation as though: "Most CS students cause problems on Mikado."

In fact, it's :
"Most problems on Mikado are caused by CS students."

Big difference there. This situation isn't the department's fault, it's the people keep posting/pming scat/gay porn/standard porn. If you're banned over and over, you shouldn't be let back in.

Ah they were fun days.

Gone West

Placebo wrote:

yeah thats possible.
nice force feild you got there

lol. when will you learn?
It would be hilariously simple to require new signups to validate their @nuim.ie email address, else they not be allowed sign up.

Whiskeyjack

Slow coach wrote:

Oxymoron alert. :eek:

It's an internet forum, not a third world country, one person with enough common sense to know what will get us in trouble and what won't is usually enough.It's not perfect, but it won't result in some of the recent ****storms on mikado.

DingChavez

Everyone is saying **** this And **** that, but no one is saying worship this
And Jericho that!

TouchingVirus

FuzzyLogic wrote:

lol. when will you learn?
It would be hilariously simple to require new signups to validate their @nuim.ie email address, else they not be allowed sign up.

This was discussed by teh masses at the agm and decided against. It restricts membership to current nuim students (so no prospective students can register and alumni either).

munky

TouchingVirus wrote:

This was discussed by teh masses at the agm and decided against. It restricts membership to current nuim students (so no prospective students can register and alumni either).

But thats probably gonna be what'll happen now, with alumni given some kind of special ultra secret coded chicken finder.

Marco Polo

This was discussed by teh masses at the agm and decided against. It restricts membership to current nuim students (so no prospective students can register and alumni either).

Yeah, and if the college decides that this is the way to run the boards, that vote will mean jack. Besides, it's the only option left to them.

TouchingVirus

Marco Polo wrote:

Yeah, and if the college decides that this is the way to run the boards, that vote will mean jack. Besides, it's the only option left to them.

But that justs makes users slightly more identifiable.

I mean the people who posted porn and scat and stuff didn't get away with it due to the current rules. Tuborg was brought to the discipline committee and Thomas/base2 was reported to the CC in Galway...

It'll just cut the numbers in the society

I reckon it will happen though, and the boards will remain public too, so all the newcomers can read about nuim through the boards but not post on it

FunkyChicken

TouchingVirus wrote:

I mean the people who posted porn and scat and stuff didn't get away with it due to the current rules. Tuborg was brought to the discipline committee and Thomas/base2 was reported to the CC in Galway...

What happened to them about this?

joe316

FunkyChicken wrote:

What happened to them about this?

eh its private and i wouldnt advise anyone posting details about it if i were them

TouchingVirus

joe316 wrote:

eh its private and i wouldnt advise anyone posting details about it if i were them

Agreed, the punishment is private.

Tis up to Tuborg/base2 to say what they got if they want to

egon spengler

restricted membership is a good way to go. cuts out the trolls.

FunkyChicken

Cmon! I wont tell anyone.

mloc123

Lets just hope it doesn't come back.

Mr Rivers

mloc123 wrote:

Lets just hope it doesn't come back.

I'm pretty sure it aint coming back

brass

Wow that thread was an entertaining read.

roflotz

Mr Rivers wrote:

I'm pretty sure it aint coming back

How are you sure?

brass

roflotz wrote:

How are you sure?

Seems to me the college has wrote it off as a failed experiment. Too many mods and decision making processes led to ineffective moderation. A college associated board needs heavy moderation and accountability to function, without drawing unwanted attention as apposed to positive interest.