US: 2x10: The 23rd Psalm [spoilers]

steveland?

Aired Jan 11th 2006

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This episode will shed more light on why Eko took a mysterious 40-day vow of silence, and possibly information on his stick. Also, Claire begins to lose faith in Charlie after Eko begins to question him about the Virgin Mary statue, and Jack is an interested observer when Kate gives the recovering Sawyer a much-needed haircut.

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Thread will be re-opened in the morning so that votes can't be cast until the episode has been aired

ObeyGiant

16

Pretty good episode, although I would have liked more after such a long wait. Eko's back-story is roughly exactly as I imagined it would be, so no real surprises there, but full marks for giving us a good look at (and in!) lostzilla.

godtabh

16

ObeyGiant wrote:

but full marks for giving us a good look at (and in!) lostzilla.

You could've used spoliers here.

Cant wait to see it do myself.

Anima

16

Good episode I thought. Eko's story was interesting enough. Lostzilla was the highlight of the episode for me. I wonder if anyone will go through the frames of the episode and try and make out the flashing images inside it. I'd do it but I've to go to college

Glad lost is back anyway :v:

Giblet

kearnsr wrote:

You could've used spoliers here.

Cant wait to see it do myself.

If you look at a thread before you've seen the episode you deserve to get it spoiled for you.



Did anyone see the faces in the smoke. I saw a priest I think, and maybe a zombie.

godtabh

16

Giblet wrote:

If you look at a thread before you've seen the episode you deserve to get it spoiled for you.



Did anyone see the faces in the smoke. I saw a priest I think, and maybe a zombie.

Most people cover up the spoiler information as steveland? did.

Anima

16

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/

Found this on www.lost-forum.com, there seems to be lots of pics of his brother. I guess the monster is the reason people see stuff from their past on the island.

digiman

16

I thought it was a good episode up until the part after the last add break, to be honest i don't really care anymore if Charlie goes back on the drugs.
The Mr Ekol back story was really good, everything tied in really well, and the part with "monster" was really good, didn't notice anything in the smokey stuff to be honest, but I didn't go through it frame by frame or anything like that.
I wonder what the typing was on the screen when "Walt" was talking to Michael, the camera moved at "You need to com" I presume the last word was "come", but I wonder where he was and if there was anymore writing because Michael seemed to be reading on for a few seconds after.

On a side note, how come the rating system was changed, I thought it was better as 1-10, I presume it is now 1-6 instead with 4=1, 8=2, 15=3, .... 42=6?

digiman

16

Anima wrote:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/

Found this on www.lost-forum.com, there seems to be lots of pics of his brother. I guess the monster is the reason people see stuff from their past on the island.

I can certainly see the pics now, never noticed them from the video, thats pretty good alright.

Gone West

23

teh flashes were spotted before:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=277917

btw spoiler tags are stupid here. how dumb would you have to be to read a spoiler thread without watching the episode, unless you *wanted* it ruined.

they seem to be all of peoples faces. Most look african. One man is crying out in pain. Looks like eko's brother. Perhaps they are images that lostzilla extracted from eko's mind? Which would be a possible explanation for it not killing him. Or perhaps lostzilla is the spirit/etc of people who have died on the island, and the faces in the flashes are the people it contains?
just shooting the breeze, really.

Basq

16

Yeah.. i knew there'd be pics of the monster as Damon and Carlton both mentioned about it in the official Podcast last Monday.

Haven't watched the episode yet.. at college but will watch it when i get home.

ObeyGiant

16

kearnsr wrote:

You could've used spoliers here.

There's a warning about spoilers in the topic. I think spoiler tags are slightly redundant in these threads.

stag39

16

Anima wrote:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/

Found this on www.lost-forum.com, there seems to be lots of pics of his brother. I guess the monster is the reason people see stuff from their past on the island.

the pic of the priest in that pic is the man who eko killed when as a kid!!!!!;)

Rollo Tamasi

15

kearnsr wrote:

You could've used spoliers here.

thats the funniest thing i've heard in a while. In all fairness why else read a thread about something you have yet to see and wonder why people are ruining the episode for you?

The black smoke was done very well. Powered by an electrical current of some sorts maybe? Lost souls? Probably not lost souls but very weird. I wonder if Mike has actually just gone crazy and imagined that someone was communicating with him thru the PC. He seemed to have the shakes on himself a few times during the episode and seemed to nearly get himself off when he shot the tub of garlic mayo. The only logical reason why jack couldn't see the writing on the monitor is if the screen time outs after inactivity but thats unlikely as it ain't exactly Windows XP they have in the hatch.

Splendid

16

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

The black smoke was done very well. Powered by an electrical current of some sorts maybe? Lost souls? Probably not lost souls but very weird. I wonder if Mike has actually just gone crazy and imagined that someone was communicating with him thru the PC. He seemed to have the shakes on himself a few times during the episode and seemed to nearly get himself off when he shot the tub of garlic mayo. The only logical reason why jack couldn't see the writing is if the screen time outs after activity but thats unlikely as it ain't exactly Windows XP they have in the hatch.

Get out of my head, that exactly what i came into post on this thread.
About Michael being crazy and the smoke being souls.

Smurfpiss

16

I'm in canada at the mo so i saw it first, yay! ahem......
The monster was ok. I guess we all knew it was going to be the black smoke, but still i.m not sure if i really like it yet. I really enjoyed Eko's back story, even though he is way more of a bastard than ana lucia you can love his character..
I'm not really looking forward to another charlie&heroin story line, but i did find it interesting that he's been stashing them.

Rollo Tamasi

15

Splendid wrote:

Get out of my head....About Michael being crazy and the smoke being souls.

but i like your head, it's comfy! I'd say its more along the lines of demons than souls actually.

Smurfpiss wrote:

even though he is way more of a bastard than ana lucia you can love his character..

i don't know about that. AL is a right bitch, at least Ecko has shown remorse for his past crimes. And we aren't exactly sure that he did any crimes as such, he could have been a vigilante of sorts doing some good in a bad way for a community. He did kill 2 drug dealers and he seemed sincere about helping the church.

The Free Man

23

i liked it. lostzilla looked great, and yeah, i reckon michael is going a bit crazy (aren't they all), but i don't get why the black smoke didnt kill eko. i mean, if it's behind the visions people have been seeing of their fears (polar bears, horses, walt), why did lostzilla just reveal himself to him and show images?

jor el

16

Ah it's good to have Lost back. I quite enjoyed Eko's story. Realised the connection to hte plane on the island as soon as Eko mentioned the Catholic missions with the two drug dealers. Started to think that his brother would be on the plane when Eko went to him in the Church the first time too.

Lostzilla was pretty cool, I did notice images in it but didn't pause or anything to make them out. My first thought was that it was made of ghosts, seems that way from the pictures in Anima's post too. Could be that Lostzilla is a reflection of you. Remember that Locke also came face to face with it twice in the last series and survived, though the second time it tried to drag him away. That could have been Jack's influence on it though as the first time he hadn't a scratch on him when he was alone.

Anyone else think that it's either not Walt on the other end of the computer, or that perhaps Walt has turned evil? Or maybe he was always evil. Then again, Michael could just be going mad.

As for the screensaver style time out on the display, that's never happened before has it? The prompt has always been visable on the screen in previous episodes.

The Free Man

23

jor el wrote:

As for the screensaver style time out on the display, that's never happened before has it? The prompt has always been visable on the screen in previous episodes.

i think the prompt only appears when the alarm sounds.

mada999

15

i think there was no prompt when michael sat down at the computer then txt appeared ?

Orion

16

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

And we aren't exactly sure that he did any crimes as such, he could have been a vigilante of sorts doing some good in a bad way for a community. He did kill 2 drug dealers and he seemed sincere about helping the church.

Were you stoned watching it? He killed the sellers because they annoyed him. He threatened a burning-down of the church if his brother didn't sign the forms. And as a kid he didn't hesitate in killing a village elder. He was no good guy.

And specially for kearnsr:

it says SPOILERS in the thread title ffs

Kur4mA

23

I gave this episode a 10. I thought it was Eko's back story was fuppin brilliant and it's nice to see he is 'repenting' for his sins. I think the monster is probably reading minds and then chooses who it should let live or kill... but we shall see, I suppose.

OH, and even tho AL is still a biaaatch afaic I was glad to see she is being accepted into the group with a gift of a fish from Jin and Sun. :v:

Peace

16

Does it occur to anyone that lostzilla may never have been trying to hurt anyone ... maybe it was trying to communicate but due to the tree exploding thing and the noisy bum that everyone assumed the worst?

Lostzilla seemed to be showing Eko his past, probably the events that brought him there. But why. And why the hell is it a big massive cloud. And whats the deal witht he small cloud thats doing the darting?

Kur4mA

23

Peace wrote:

And whats the deal witht he small cloud thats doing the darting?

This might be going too far, but after seeing the difference in the two 'clouds' could it be that maybe the smaller one is a 'lookout' as it seems to just dart off whenever it's spotted whereas the larger one as we've seen is more IN YOUR FACE.

Anima

16

Its the same cloud, you can see when its moving away from Eko that it shrinks back to normal size.

madrab

16

maybe lostzilla is all about fear, it didnt attack ecko as he said it didnt frighten him, locke didnt look scared the first time he saw it but the second time he seemed scared & was dragged away

anotherlostie

23

My favourite episode of the series so far. I was really on tenterhooks when Lostzila wisped through the jungle and wondered was there about to be a big surprise. Cool to get to see the creature too. And while I don't care too much for Charlie and the heroin, seeing the stash of statues was a surprise. He's a crafty beggar so! And intrigued by the whole Michael/ Walt thing; I hope they don't drag this on for ages (or worse still forget about it for a couple of weeks).

Hurley was kinda giving the new doc the eye at the end there, wasn't he?! Maybe she'll be analysing him soon.

I have to say that since Shannon's demise, every episode has been top notch and there's a fair bit of life left in the show yet!

syboit

good episode allright, but why Mr Eko didnt question how the plane got there (supposed to be in south pacific) and we saw the plane leave Nigeria!!

robinph

15

Macros42 wrote:

Were you stoned watching it? He killed the sellers because they annoyed him. He threatened a burning-down of the church if his brother didn't sign the forms. And as a kid he didn't hesitate in killing a village elder. He was no good guy.

Surely him killing the preist at the begining was a good thing, the whole village and the preist himself knew that he was going to die one way or another. What Eko did was to save his younger brother from getting taken away by the gunmen and becoming the dealer that Eko became, or more likely becoming dead.

Hyzepher

Good episode but the writers are taking it a bit far to ask us to believe that no one talks anymore. ffs Michael said nothing about the apparent conversation with Walt, Eko & Locke said nothing about not using the PC for anything else, Eko never enquired about the plane's apparent miracle trip, Eko & Charlie never mentioned that they saw the cloud, no one has though to compare stories between the two camps etc

I think Eko took on the role of priest after his brother left in the plane i.e. gave up his bad ways, hense the comment that the guy with the gold tooth 'saved his life' by pushing him out of the plane. Saved his life by giving him the chance to redeem himself, not by the fact that he wasn't in the plane when it crashed.

I think the monster is communicating with some people - definately Locke & Eko. In Locke's case I think he was shown pleasing images the first time he met the cloud and disturbing images the second time - hence the two different reactions. The second time may have been Boone's death etc.

On another point, I cant remember actually seeing any uprooted trees - I know it looks like they are but there is no evidence.

Hyzepher

Peace

16

Just to reinforce a point made in a previous thread.... it seems a lot of Losties have killed/murdered/have a past which leaves them in need of redemption.

Rollo Tamasi

15

Macros42 wrote:

Were you stoned watching it? He killed the sellers because they annoyed him. He threatened a burning-down of the church if his brother didn't sign the forms. And as a kid he didn't hesitate in killing a village elder. He was no good guy.

moi stoned! never in my life :v:
he protected his brother by killing that man. I have a feeling that he was going to kill those drug dealers anyway. And the burning down the church thing....ah com'on! who on this forum can honestly say that they have never threatened to burn down a church if their brother doesn't help sell on a load of smack. Thats a day to day occurance.

Catsmokinpot

23

straight return to form, i knew Eko had something to do with the plane, his back story was brilliant, the way he saved his brother from joining the rebels, and id say that his brother knew the plane was going to the island... finally lostzilla upclose! that was good and then he scanned Eko and stupid charlie at the end with his stash, thought he was a good guy! but no, he's the same old junkie

And why the hell is it a big massive cloud. And whats the deal witht he small cloud thats doing the darting?

well my only explanation is..... its a cloud, and since it seems to be alive and able to rip up trees from its roots so i would imagine that it can change shape(you know? get bigger and smaller)....

On another point, I cant remember actually seeing any uprooted trees - I know it looks like they are but there is no evidence.

the evidence is shown to you when you see the thing actually uprooting trees just because they dont hang around to stare at these uprooted trees then you think it didn't happen at all?

Orion

16

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

And the burning down the church thing....ah com'on! who on this forum can honestly say that they have never threated to burn down a church if their brother doesn't help sell on a load of smack. Thats a day to day occurance.

Good point :v:

tvnutz

16

Peace wrote:

Does it occur to anyone that lostzilla may never have been trying to hurt anyone ... maybe it was trying to communicate but due to the tree exploding thing and the noisy bum that everyone assumed the worst?

Didn'y it rip the pilot to shreds in the very first episode for no apparant reason?

Anyway,great episode. I think Eko is a brilliant character and a great addition to the show.

Nick_oliveri

16

Incredible Episode, that cloud of smoke was just what i needed. Anna Lucia looked much better in this episode, i.e. not talking much out the side of her face! When "Walt" said that the others would be back soon, i immediatly thought that there was another hatch somewhere else, like an experiment hatch. And bythe "others" being back soon, he meant that big cloud of weird that was squaring up to Eko. Fantastic. Had me with pins and needles for about half an hour afterward.

Didn't it rip the pilot to shreds in the very first episode for no apparant reason?

Anyway,great episode. I think Eko is a brilliant character and a great addition to the show.

That was probably a big ass polar bear.

Anima

16

Its possible the writers might be regretting killing the pilot, the monster's behaviour doesn't seem to match with the rest of the episodes. Maybe the Other's can control it and there is actually a grand scheme in its actions. Who knows.

The monster is definetly gonna keep my addiction to Lost at full whack anyway :v:

duridian

23

I think that maybe the 'monster'/cloud isn't an independent self determining being, but merely an extension of the abilities of another being such as ESP,telekinesis etc. Abrams and Lindelhof have stated that all of the stuff in Lost is based on real science and not on sci-fi, therefore I can't really conceive any other way in which this could be rationally explained scientifically without taking in a possibility like this. While there is no rock solid scientific evidence to show these abilities exist, I don't think it is scientifically dismissed either.
What about if there is a different intelligence controlling/in charge of Lostzilla/The Cloud at different times? Might this be a way in which we also see different behaviour in this phenomenon, ie. the pilot being killed in one instance, but it looked as if it was just trying to communicate something to Eko. (although I will admit that the pilot's death was not clearly an act of Lostzilla)

Beruthiel

23

fantastic episode
it's been a while since I jumped with fright like that
loved it

tinkerbell

Great episode, I let out quite a loud yelp when lostzilla blew up the trees! Oh the fright I got!

Roll on next week

herobear

tinkerbell wrote:

Great episode, I let out quite a loud yelp when lostzilla blew up the trees! Oh the fright I got!

hehe, yeah that got me both times i watched the episode too!


anybody thought of going back to 'deus ex machina' and seeing if the bloody handprint was on the plane, back then ?

edit: anybody notice the guys eko was buying the drugs off were speaking iraqi ??

MarkR

I think we all jumped there. Didn't spot the iraqi connection. All so interconnected.

red_fox

23

I think the pilot was likely to have been killed by the security system.

Rollo Tamasi

15

but isn't the cloud the "natural form" of the panda bear & lostizlla. As in the cloud can turn himself into different objects.

Basq

16

Enjoyed the episode.. no huge plot developments. Knew their was gonna be some new shots of the monster from the Podcast but God, weren't they fantastic?! :eek:

Eko's backstory was interesting but didn't give us a huge insight into him either. Still, i enjoyed the tying up of the plane and heroin storyline.

Next week's episode looks excellent. Roll on 'The Hunting Party'

jor el wrote:

Anyone else think that it's either not Walt on the other end of the computer

For some reason in my mind.. i think it's pretty unlikely it is Walt on the opposite end. But i don't think Walt is dead..

PS - Any AintItCoolNews.com spoiler readers spot Hurley being helpful towards Libby?.. Eeh eeh!!

PPS - We need more John Locke.. he's been seriously absent in episodes recently! And also we seem to be seeing less and less of Hurley too.

herobear

basquille wrote:

PS - Any AintItCoolNews.com spoiler readers spot Hurley being helpful towards Libby?.. Eeh eeh!!

hehe, that episode was crammed full of foreshadowing

ninebeanrows

Oh my god cant believe some of the crazy scores been given here just
because its LOST.

That episode was so so bad. I've watched lost for what 40 episodes now.

I wait 5 weeks and i get an episode with, what one piece of information! then
5 minutes of wasted music and looking at the people on the Island at the
end.

The episode sucked! it was really bad and i mightnt even watch lost anymore
because its just going off in a tangent to waste more time.

It will come to a point where you'll all agree..

I would give the episode 2/10, Absolutely DIRE and we shouldnt accept such
crap to be honest.

Invasion is where it's at:p

Basq

16

Weathercheck wrote:

Invasion is where it's at:p

Oh Jesus.. stop talking crazy! :eek:

stag39

16

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

but isn't the cloud the "natural form" of the panda bear & lostizlla. As in the cloud can turn himself into different objects.

i think the cloud of smoke turns into what u fear the most at the moment..hence eko has no fears..he's just one mean machine;)

stag39

16

Weathercheck wrote:

Invasion is where it's at:p

Surface is where it's at!!!:D