rooney and ferguson in trouble?

RasTa

Hobart wrote:

The ref made/did not make a decision. He was not going to change his mind.

Does anyone on this form actually play football with a ref in charge ? Yous have no clue

mayordenis

RasTa wrote:

Does anyone on this form actually play football with a ref in charge ? Yous have no clue

yes, every week,
and our manager will say every week without fail something along the lines of "no back-chat to the ref" one because it'll get us in trouble and also because the referee might end up with very little time for our team.
but in the end if the ref makes a decision we dont(i certainly ****in dont) second guess him.

Jammer

mayordenis wrote:

yes, every week,
and our manager will say every week without fail something along the lines of "no back-chat to the ref" one because it'll get us in trouble and also because the referee might end up with very little time for our team.
but in the end if the ref makes a decision we dont(i certainly ****in dont) second guess him.

You are simply not human.

You're clear on goal, the last man clearly fouls you on purpose, it was 100% gonna be a goal, no free kick...(it happens)...and you get up, and 'oh well' .... come on out of that....

MrJoeSoap

Plenty of links coming through for this one. Lengthy ban deserved.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2093-1986142,00.html
http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2006/1/15/sports/13120612&sec=sports
http://www.sport.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/01/15/sfgmac15.xml

mayordenis

Jammer wrote:

You are simply not human.

You're clear on goal, the last man clearly fouls you on purpose, it was 100% gonna be a goal, no free kick...(it happens)...and you get up, and 'oh well' .... come on out of that....

well i tell you what i wont do is get in the ref's face,
and to be honest whats the point i've had many grievences in games i've been sent off for what i believe to perfect challenge but complaining gets you no where,
these things have a habit of balancing themselves out.
the most i'll do(if anything) is maybe put my arms in the air thats it.

Chardee MacDennis

well new rules this season means first player who talks back to the ref gets yellow second player gets red no matter which side they are on. i play week in week out, well except the last ten weks coz i'm injured, but i generally dont bother, i'll get pissed off about it but swearing and shouting at the ref get you absolutely no where except in the book. and being a right back i generally dont get through on goal much!!

just to differentiate there is a huge difference between calling REF!!! when you think you are being fouled or asking the ref why you have been penalised against and running up to him shouting your head off or hurling abuse at him.

mayordenis

Call_me_al wrote:

well new rules this season means first player who talks back to the ref gets yellow second player gets red no matter which side they are on. i play week in week out, well except the last ten weks coz i'm injured, but i generally dont bother, i'll get pissed off about it but swearing and shouting at the ref get you absolutely no where except in the book. and being a right back i generally dont get through on goal much!!

just to differentiate there is a huge difference between calling REF!!! when you think you are being fouled or asking the ref why you have been penalised against and running up to him shouting your head off or hurling abuse at him.

on the money.

Jammer

But what about when your legs are worth about £30m ???

MrJoeSoap

Jammer wrote:

But what about when your legs are worth about £30m ???

Yeah of course when your legs are worth that much you can call the ref whatever you want. :rolleyes:

mayordenis

Jammer wrote:

But what about when your legs are worth about £30m ???

then you should be happy

Jammer

Are we all agreed that it was a free kick (and yellow card for that matter) ?

End of the day, concerning that challenge, the referee wasn't doing his job.

Rooney should have left it, but we dont know how we'd react in that situation so...

A Dub in Glasgo

Jammer wrote:

But what about when your legs are worth about £30m ???

Get your girlfriend to take a break from spending a fortune on tat to spend a fortune on massage oil for your legs.

MrJoeSoap

Yeah I thought it was a poor challenge and deserving of a yellow card, not a red though. Certainly wasn't "career threatening".

A Dub in Glasgo

Jammer wrote:

Are we all agreed that it was a free kick (and yellow card for that matter) ?

Yep, it should have been a free kick

End of the day, concerning that challenge, the referee wasn't doing his job.

One of a number of mistakes that every ref makes in every game.... nothing new there

Rooney should have left it, but we dont know how we'd react in that situation so...

... so what?

mayordenis

Jammer wrote:

Rooney should have left it, but we dont know how we'd react in that situation so...

you are right,
he really should of left it there

MrJoeSoap

Jammer wrote:

O'brein from bolton put in a challenge 10 times worse then ronaldo, and got a yellow.

http://rapidshare.de/files/11065385/VID0011_EDIT0000.AVI.html

Very poor challenge, more clumsy than malicious though I think.

Jonny Arson

MrJoeSoap wrote:

http://rapidshare.de/files/11065385/VID0011_EDIT0000.AVI.html

Very poor challenge, more clumsy than malicious though I think.

Yeah that was a shocker! Nearly chopped him in half! :eek:

Rikand

MrJoeSoap wrote:

http://rapidshare.de/files/11065385/VID0011_EDIT0000.AVI.html

Very poor challenge, more clumsy than malicious though I think.

he pulled well out of it once he realised the ball was gone, but was never gonna be able to get totally out of the way

The Muppet

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Plenty of links coming through for this one. Lengthy ban deserved.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2093-1986142,00.html
http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2006/1/15/sports/13120612&sec=sports
http://www.sport.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/01/15/sfgmac15.xml

Hold the front Page , Player Swears at Ref Shocker.

Why do incidents involving Man United players get blown out of all porpotion here. A little bit of balance would be refreshing.

wheres me jumpa

No excuses for either of them. This is coming from a man united fan. From underage football up were all told "Get booked for a tackle but if you get booked for mouthing Ill burst ya!".

Its a major flaw in rooneys abilities. However for fans to come on here and mouth off about rooney is a bit premature. No fan here supports a team that was never pi**sed off about a decision.

It was a derby game, decisions were going against United, 2-0 down at half time. We have all been there. Both Ferguson and Rooney will pay the price. Its not going to be 12 month bans so the "World Cup" will not come into it.

I have said already that I would not blame the referee for the result or the performance. However it is worth pointing out that had he got more decisions right alot of this could have been avoided. Certainly rooneys yellow and ronaldos red would have been avoided.

Like I said im not blaming the ref, but when were all pointing the finger at rooney and ferguson its also worth mentioning that ref got some big decisions wrong.

Davei141

The Muppet wrote:

Hold the front Page , Player Swears at Ref Shocker.

Why do incidents involving Man United players get blown out of all porpotion here. A little bit of balance would be refreshing.

He called the referee a "****ing twat", lets see him stay on the pitch if he says that in the wotld cup, or even the champions league. Theres a difference between saying "****ing hell ref" and actually insulting him. We are also discussing him and ferguson ranting and raving at the referee at half time, with the quote "You ****ing cheat" given to fergie, not confirmed of course, and rooney supposedly kicking and punching doors. Dont tell me its being blown out of proportion.

Kingp35

As someone has said already, people were saying in a previous thread that Rooney would be a great future captain and I disagreed with everyone. This just further makes me believe he is just a petulant player who cant control his anger. Yes some decisions went against him but its no excuse to do what he did and a ban is deserved.

As for the O' Brien tackle it was a very bad tackle but it wasnt a high tackle which probably saved him from getting a straight red.

MrJoeSoap

The Muppet wrote:

Hold the front Page , Player Swears at Ref Shocker.

Why do incidents involving Man United players get blown out of all porpotion here. A little bit of balance would be refreshing.

Or why won't you now accept that Rooney did "attack" a set of doors leading to either the dressing room or the referees room, since there are plenty of links available?

I think Fergie is the main culprit here, however, not Rooney.

The "you f****** cheating b******" quotes are in the majority of the Sunday papers and so is the "you'll need a police escort out of here".

Refreshing indeed. Should we turn a blind eye. Its intimidation, pure and simple, at half time in the Manchester derby. I thought the referee was awful yesterday, but certainly wasn't poor enough to abuse like that at half-time.

Draupnir

Ronaldo never should have been sent off, he lunged in front of the player to get a block, rather than toward the player to play the man. The referee based his decision on the previous tackle (a nailed on yellow card) on Ronaldo going unpunished and made the assumption of Ronaldo looking for vengeance.

If you watch United games regularly, you will see that Ronaldo, on a weekly basis, jumps in front of players who are playing the ball and thrusts his leg in the exact same motion as yesterday, to block.

Never a straight red in a million years. But the ref had a particularly bad day yesterday, only Evra and Silvestre were worse.

Still though, the ref at Bolton was one hundred times worse. When will referees realise that Robbie Savage is a big diving girls blouse who wants to get people booked.

The Muppet

Davei141 wrote:

He called the referee a "****ing twat", lets see him stay on the pitch if he says that in the wotld cup, or even the champions league. Theres a difference between saying "****ing hell ref" and actually insulting him. We are also discussing him and ferguson ranting and raving at the referee at half time, with the quote "You ****ing cheat" given to fergie, not confirmed of course, and rooney supposedly kicking and punching doors, dont tell me its being blown out of proportion.

We are talking about the premiership where week in week out players give the ref verbals. I'm not condoning what they are alledged to have done but lets keep it in perspective . Rooney is alledged to have said " you're an effing shambles" to the ref. People Talking of lenghty bans is ridiculous unless there is more to it than has been published to date. As has already been said if it was so bad why did the Ref not issue red cards in the tunnel.



It appears to me that this has been blown out of all porportion and the usual suspects here have jumped on the bandwagon, exaggrating the situation because of the personalities/club involved.

county

MrJoeSoap wrote:

These articles aren't about players swearing at refs...

I think Fergie is the main culprit here, however, not Rooney.

The "you f****** cheating b******" quotes are in the majority of the Sunday papers and so is the "you'll need a police escort out of here".

Refreshing indeed. Should we turn a blind eye. Its intimidation, pure and simple, at half time in the Manchester derby. I thought the referee was awful yesterday, but certainly wasn't poor enough to abuse like that at half-time.

cant wait for bennetts next game at old trafford:rolleyes:

sharkman

county wrote:

cant wait for bennetts next game at old trafford:rolleyes:

Why ? So he can be bullied and abused again ??

county

The Muppet wrote:

People Talking of lenghty bans is ridiculous unless there is more to it than has been published to date. As has already been said if it was so bad why did the Ref not issue red cards in the tunnel.
yes good point,if it had been as bad as the papers and posters say,surely the two of them would have been sent off

county

sharkman wrote:

Why ? So he can be bullied and abused again ??

yes but by us fans,you cant send off 67.000 people:D

MrJoeSoap

The Muppet wrote:

People Talking of lenghty bans is ridiculous unless there is more to it than has been published to date. As has already been said if it was so bad why did the Ref not issue red cards in the tunnel.

People are only saying lengthy bans are deserved if true. Obviously even the most ardent ABU wouldn't want players to be banned on the basis of allegations.

The stories are being run in nearly every paper though, which leads people (myself included) to believe there may be a good deal of truth behind them.

Lemlin

Originally posted by Draupnir
Still though, the ref at Bolton was one hundred times worse. When will referees realise that Robbie Savage is a big diving girls blouse who wants to get people booked.

Nakata commited two bookable offences. He deserved to go. Bolton were lucky they weren't down to nine men after Joey O'Brien's tackle on Nelsen.

MrJoeSoap

Lemlin wrote:

Nakata commited two bookable offences. He deserved to go. Bolton were lucky they weren't down to nine men after Joey O'Brien's tackle on Nelsen.

Amen to that.

The Muppet

Mrjoesoap wrote:

Or why won't you now accept that Rooney did "attack" a set of doors leading to either the dressing room or the referees room, since there are plenty of links available?

Sorry where did I not accept that he kicked a door?

The allegation early on in this thread was that he "kicked Down the Refs door" which IMO would be a very serious offence and merit a lenghty ban. The fact of the matter is that he alledgedly Kicked and Punched United Dressing room door, Thats a completly different matter but hey the usual suspects here are not going to let the facts get in the way of having a go at Rooney or United.

MrJoeSoap wrote:

The stories are being run in nearly every paper though, which leads people (myself included) to believe there may be a good deal of truth behind them.

What allegations have you see against Rooney. The only one I have seen is that he Kicked his own dressing room door and alledgedly told the ref he was a "effing shambles". If that's all there is to it it talk of a lengthy ban is ridiculous.

MrJoeSoap

The Muppet wrote:

Sorry where did I not accept that he kicked a door?

Yeah I double posted that and deleted the wrong one, my other post had that sentence removed, sorry!

PM a mod if you want confirmation of that.

The Muppet

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Yeah I double posted that and deleted the wrong one, my other post had that sentence removed, sorry!

PM a mod if you want confirmation of that.

No problem,

Davei141

Lemlin wrote:

Nakata commited two bookable offences. He deserved to go. .

Am i right in saying that Savage jumped straight up after the Nakata challenge aswell? Savage is just an easy target for people.

I find it hilarious that Sam is on goals on sunday saying "Mike Riley has a psychological problem with bolton or myself". Yet when it showed the 5 red cards, each one of them were possible sending offs. Just likes to whinge too much. Whinges if managers "complain" about their style (when i say complain i mean saying its "difficult to play"), then whinges if they match their style with an equally physical display.

MrJoeSoap

The Muppet wrote:

What allegations have you see against Rooney. The only one I have seen is that he Kicked his own dressing room door and alledgedly told the ref he was a "effing shambles". If that's all there is to it it talk of a lengthy ban is ridiculous.

http://www.sportal.com.au/soccer.asp?i=news&id=76457

The pair verbally attacked referee Steve Bennet in the tunnel at half-time, with both exploding in a fit of rage and hurling expletive-laden comments at the official.

Rooney received a booking for dissent just before the break and United were furious with the first goal from City, claiming Trevor Sinclair was offside.

The star striker then went on to cause damage to the tunnel and dressing room at Eastlands Stadium, prompting City officials to consider reporting the matter to the Football Association.

If Rooney was attacking doors etc... I'd say he said a lot more than just "effin shambles", but thats just contention of course and the chances are that we will never know. If it was a "fit of rage" and "expletive-laden" then I think a long ban would be fully deserved.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/january/englishnews8150106.html

Also mentioned there.

The Muppet

MrJoeSoap wrote:

http://www.sportal.com.au/soccer.asp?i=news&id=76457



If Rooney was attacking doors etc... I'd say he said a lot more than just "effin shambles", but thats just contention of course and the chances are that we will never know. If it was a "fit of rage" and "expletive-laden" then I think a long ban would be fully deserved.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/january/englishnews8150106.html

Also mentioned there.

Those links you have posted support what I have been saying and actually deny some of the allegations made about Fergie, They do not contain any specific allegations that merit a lenghty ban IMO . I may be wrong but considering what has been published my feeling is that this incident has been exaggerated and blown out of all porpotion. We'll just have to wait and see what the ref has said in his report and what if any punishment follows

PHB

I may be wrong here, but most of the reports now suggest he broke his own teams dressing room door. That's not against the rules is it?

Fergie will get a fine, Rooney will get a fine, why, cause they know United would go ape****e if they got anything else cause they know the shambolic preformance of the ref.
The FA are waiting to set an example, but they are waiting for a better example to set. You can't do it when they have got serious reasonable complaints, you have to do it when they have absolutely nothing to stand on.


p.s. I betcha all of the money in my pockets that Bennot will be reffing championship matches for a while

Kingp35

PHB wrote:

I may be wrong here, but most of the reports now suggest he broke his own teams dressing room door. That's not against the rules is it?

I reckon it is if its not your door

BKtje

well then its a matter for Manu FC to deal with rather than the FA?

MrJoeSoap

B-K-DzR wrote:

well then its a matter for Manu FC to deal with rather than the FA?

And Man City too of course.

A Dub in Glasgo

PHB wrote:

I may be wrong here, but most of the reports now suggest he broke his own teams dressing room door. That's not against the rules is it?

Damage to other peoples property is not against the rules?

Davei141

PHB wrote:

I may be wrong here, but most of the reports now suggest he broke his own teams dressing room door. That's not against the rules is it?

Fergie will get a fine, Rooney will get a fine, why, cause they know United would go ape****e if they got anything else cause they know the shambolic preformance of the ref.
The FA are waiting to set an example, but they are waiting for a better example to set. You can't do it when they have got serious reasonable complaints, you have to do it when they have absolutely nothing to stand on.


p.s. I betcha all of the money in my pockets that Bennot will be reffing championship matches for a while

Do you think it was acceptable?

mayordenis

of course PHB will think its acceptable.
Wayne Rooney is hero to manc fans and can do no wrong apparently.

PHB

of course PHB will think its acceptable.
Wayne Rooney is hero to manc fans and can do no wrong apparently.

Very insightful. You appear to have me down to a tee.

Of course its not acceptable to damage doors, but to be honest, I don't give a **** if he breaks up a united door. I'm fairly sure United don't give a ****
either, I'd say they are happy with the passion tbh.
Rooney broke down a door.
It was a United door, this has been confirmed.
People heard this and put two and two together, and thought it must be the refs door.
This is irrelevent.

Then we have the alledged comments. The comments being attributed to Fergie in the press are hilarious, 'you won't get out of here without a police escort', does anyone honastly think he would say that? Seriously, Fergie, one of the most experienced managers in the game, would actually threaten a ref, over a foul which wasn't given(keep in mind this was before the red card). Does somebody on here think he said it?
I imagine Rooney and Fergie might have had words with the ref at half time, but there has been nothing substainiated at all so far, and this is all just absolute guessing. You see, if the press keep doing this, then enough people will believe it actually happened, and thus while no action will be taken, they can refer to this the next time Rooney gets sent off, building up a profile so they can knock him down.
Why they are attacking Fergie is because his position is weak atm, relativly speaking, and they havn't been able to in the past, and I'm sure he has build up a fair amount of argo, that people are taking on now, and just making ****e up.

To highlight how ****ing funny this press coverage is, look at this comment,

A gang of United players also surrounded Bennett after the decision to send Ronaldo off, an event that in itself may yet result in disrepute charges.

I see a lot of disrepute charges coming in the future!

MrJoeSoap

Um PHB, the game was at the City of Manchester stadium, therefore it was a City door...

A Dub in Glasgo

PHB wrote:

Very insightful. You appear to have me down to a tee.

Of course its not acceptable to damage doors, but to be honest, I don't give a **** if he breaks up a united door. I'm fairly sure United don't give a ****
either, I'd say they are happy with the passion tbh.
Rooney broke down a door.
It was a United door, this has been confirmed.
People heard this and put two and two together, and thought it must be the refs door.
This is irrelevent.

Then we have the alledged comments. The comments being attributed to Fergie in the press are hilarious, 'you won't get out of here without a police escort', does anyone honastly think he would say that? Seriously, Fergie, one of the most experienced managers in the game, would actually threaten a ref, over a foul which wasn't given(keep in mind this was before the red card). Does somebody on here think he said it?
I imagine Rooney and Fergie might have had words with the ref at half time, but there has been nothing substainiated at all so far, and this is all just absolute guessing. You see, if the press keep doing this, then enough people will believe it actually happened, and thus while no action will be taken, they can refer to this the next time Rooney gets sent off, building up a profile so they can knock him down.
Why they are attacking Fergie is because his position is weak atm, relativly speaking, and they havn't been able to in the past, and I'm sure he has build up a fair amount of argo, that people are taking on now, and just making ****e up.

To highlight how ****ing funny this press coverage is, look at this comment,


I see a lot of disrepute charges coming in the future!

So the Derby match was played at Old Trafford?

Whatever was smashed up/broken, it was not Uniteds therefore it is criminal damage (if City want to go down that route). It is nonsense to suggest it is OK as it was the away dressing room door that was smashed

county

it is`nt citys as well as they only lease the ground:rolleyes:

PHB

Indeed, silly me I just remember Manchester. Either way little is different. City aren't exactly going to press charges, and United will just pay for the damage. In the end, the same person is going to pay the cost, which is United to City. And I doubt United care about paying the damages, and I doubt Pearce is going to want to press charges, so it is utterly irrelevent.