Which party do you support / will vote for?

ateam

sinn fein is still a minority party in the Republic and thus doesn't deserve the high profile attention.

Húrin

I support the Green Party, and I am a member of it. I also often like independent candidates in my area.

DaveMcG wrote:

Does anyone know how I go about registering for a vote? I just turned 18 a while ago...!

At a Garda Station just ask for the form.

shroomfox

shroomfox wrote:

I can't even fathom what kind of mindset would want to see a build-up of our army. What use would it be? Ireland's best (and only) capacity as an armed force is in peacekeeping missions and we couldn't build our army significantly to do anything more than that. And even if we could, why would we?

NetWhizKid is a wum. If you make any point at all, he simpy will ignore it and say that the health system in Pyongyang is better and we are slaves to the capitalist system, and then throw in some comments about Bertie being a Nazi and Ireland is full of blacks and that's the PDs fault.

I gave up arguing long ago. It's not worth the effort. You say one thing but he won't say the other, he'll just jumble 'pigs, corruption, blacks taking jobs, I'm outta here, Cuba, Yanks' and come up with something completely obscure. In fairness to him, he never gets personal or malicious with other posters, hence I won't be nasty, but his posts are just unbelieveable...

The_Minister

Zebra3 wrote:

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And what do the mainstream parties do? Refuse to acknowledge the democratic right of the people of Ireland to reject the Nice Treaty and collaborate in America's murdering, pillaging acts in the Middle East.

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If you look at the statistics for previous European treaties, you will find that the first Nice Treaty only failed due to a statistical anomily. Less people voted, so the same number voted against it as they did all EU treaties but it was rejeced only because of the lesser turnout NOT because of public opinion.

constitutionus

shroomfox wrote:

If Sinn Fein ever get into Government, I'm leaving the country.

I'm serious.

I don't want to be part of any nation that could be crazy enough to give that bunch of liars and murderers any kind of political mandate. I mean, politicians are bad in general...but, Jesus. The idea of Sinn Fein in power actually scares me.

I'm not affiliated to any party and I'm not usually so vocal about things like this. I just really, really, really dislike Sinn Fein.

now im playing devils advocate here but what exactly seperates em from the mainstream political parties? the IRA have disarmed and are about as relevant as an american war appreciation society now. at least thats what BERTIE tells us, even if you bought into the whole IRA/SINN FEIN nonsense. is there a connection? sure. but no more than finna gael / IFA or PDs / IBEC.
ALL our politicians are compromised by vested interests, think im wrong then look at the most protected industries/services and look at the DAY jobs of politicians. we should have got those cafe bars but didnt because most politicians are either in the pocket of publicans or ARE them.
ever wonder why we have such a shortage of consultants when after the soviet union collapsed ALL their specialists we're on the dole, who'd KILL to do the job for the average industrial wage, never mind 100k plus a year?
BECAUSE THE DOCTORS HAVE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WONT "POACH" DOCTORS FROM IMPOVERISHED NATIONS , what a crock of ****.they give us some crap about not wanting to facilitate a brain drain but its THEIR wages and conditions they want to assure.
i will concede the IRA did kill people,but the politicians you laud facilitated the experimentation on CHILDREN by american multinational drugs companies, STOLE money consistantly from pensioners in nursing homes, forcing em in cases to sell their homes FOR THIRTY YEARS. ENGAGED IN STATE SANCTIONED ORGAN LEGGING of peoples/BABIES body parts if they were unfortunate to die in hospitals. SOLD irish citizenship to arabs to feather their nests. did sweetheart deals with institutions that RAPED CHILDREN and HID the criminals involved so they'd be indemnefied againts claims resulting in YOUR tax money is paid instead , and let me reemphasise that, THE BIGGEST LAND OWNER IN THE STATE only has to pay 10% of the bill, YOU pay the rest. no wonder the pope gave bertie a medal:rolleyes:
they held NOONE accountable in the banks involved in the biggest tax evasion (sorry AVOIDANCE:rolleyes: ) scam in the history of the state, even when a TD seemed to be apart of it. turned a blind i to a PRIVATE bank run by CRH (which incidently was SO grateful they offerd CJ a seat on the board)
POISONED its citizens with infected blood products and then FORCED THEM ON THE EDGE OF DEATH TO THE COURTS simply to get the justice they deserved:mad:
and how do our esteemed politicians deal with these people, when they cant hush it up. the HEINOUS penality of early retirement. oh how those gardai who forged confessions, planted explosives, BEAT people to death in custody must be suffering. oh how those doctors who BUTCHERED IRISH WOMEN BY RIPPING THEIR WOMBS OUT must lay in anguish enduring the horror of being struck off while they live on a pension WELL in excess of the average industrial wage,

at least when the IRA did what they did they KNEW it was against the law, OUR POLITICIANS WATCHED OVER ALL THE THINGS I MENTIONED AND EITHER COVERED IT UP BY DISAPPEARING FILES OR MADE THE BLOODY THINGS "LEAGAL":mad: :mad:

netwhizkid

shroomfox wrote:

Raising corporation tax would be probably the daftest thing you could do in Ireland. I'm no righty, but Ireland is one of the most globalised and open economies in the world. Thousands upon thousands of Irish jobs depend upon multinationals operating in this country. They're not here because of our fricking infrastructure or our bilingual prowess, that's for sure. Who's subsidising who?



I can't even fathom what kind of mindset would want to see a build-up of our army. What use would it be? Ireland's best (and only) capacity as an armed force is in peacekeeping missions and we couldn't build our army significantly to do anything more than that. And even if we could, why would we?

I completely with you shroomfox, we are globalised and have no power to protect our employees. Our labour laws are something straight out of Victorian England during the industrial revolution. The fact that Dunnes Stores staff were sacked for wearing a trade union badge says it all doesnt it. The government should nationalise all major and minor Industry and introduce fairer conditions for the masses. Major defence forces are vital we are an Island nation where 6 counties out of 32 are under the rule of a foreign nation, this nation in particular has showed no mercy during 800yrs of rule over the whole of the Island. This nation continues to rape and pillage to this very day, this is why we need a defence force. Britain is an enemy of the Republic of Ireland and we need to be protected. Like the king of England could waltz in at any time and tell us what we can and cannot do. We need state control on all industries and the complete eradication of Capitalism throughout the island. The move to a controlled economy could benefit everyone and we could bring back the Irish Punt and abolish the English language completely. Once our nation is grown strong enough we could consider retaking Northern Ireland by force if necessary our population is sky rocketing, we may have no choice shortly. Just look at our planning laws we will soon be out of space for one off housing. If thing continue we may even have to colonise parts of Britain yet. I would love to go into politics but i think it is just too much work.

So who are you going to vote for? and would you vote for me if i was running ??

Deleted User wrote:

NetWhizKid is a wum

I wouldn't really think so tbh.

netwhizkid

netwhizkid wrote:

I completely with you shroomfox, we are globalised and have no power to protect our employees. Our labour laws are something straight out of Victorian England during the industrial revolution. The fact that Dunnes Stores staff were sacked for wearing a trade union badge says it all doesnt it. The government should nationalise all major and minor Industry and introduce fairer conditions for the masses. Major defence forces are vital we are an Island nation where 6 counties out of 32 are under the rule of a foreign nation, this nation in particular has showed no mercy during 800yrs of rule over the whole of the Island. This nation continues to rape and pillage to this very day, this is why we need a defence force. Britain is an enemy of the Republic of Ireland and we need to be protected. Like the king of England could waltz in at any time and tell us what we can and cannot do. We need state control on all industries and the complete eradication of Capitalism throughout the island. The move to a controlled economy could benefit everyone and we could bring back the Irish Punt and abolish the English language completely. Once our nation is grown strong enough we could consider retaking Northern Ireland by force if necessary our population is sky rocketing, we may have no choice shortly. Just look at our planning laws we will soon be out of space for one off housing. If thing continue we may even have to colonise parts of Britain yet. I would love to go into politics but i think it is just too much work.

So who are you going to vote for? and would you vote for me if i was running ??

Vote for you?

After that, you betcha. I'd vote for you if you were running, walking or crawling. I was particularly stirred up by the bits I have highlighted.

What will you call the party?

constitutionus

Firespinner wrote:

If you look at the statistics for previous European treaties, you will find that the first Nice Treaty only failed due to a statistical anomily. Less people voted, so the same number voted against it as they did all EU treaties but it was rejeced only because of the lesser turnout NOT because of public opinion.

does that mean GEORGE BUSH isnt president of the usa because less than half the population of the US turned out:rolleyes:

dont talk bollocks, if only TWO people turned up and voted in a fianna fail government you wouldnt get the bastards out for 5 years.

this was simply and purely a PERVERSION of democracy. there was a six percent MAJORITY rejecting it. that SHOULD have been respected, it wasnt and the irish peoples will was shat on. and if you say it got accepted secound time round, well lets go for a THIRD one now and see what result we'd get:) a referendums ment to be ONCE and thats it unless the document is SIGNIFICANTLY different, and the NICE treaty WASNT

this governemnt DOESNT care about democracy, thats why we didnt get a presidential election because if mary lost, it wouldve been a SURE sign berties on the way out. and ahern didnt want to risk that.

WHY do you think hes so hot for the EU constitution? because it would take precedence OVER our own, and once enacted a council of EU presidents could ammend it at their will without have to bother with trifling thins like the people constitutional right to vote on it.
bertie said it best, "if we vote in the EU constitution it'll be the LAST referendum in a generation" that can ONLY happen if we lose our rights. abortion anyone:mad:

ateam

constitutionus wrote:

does that mean GEORGE BUSH isnt president of the usa because less than half the population of the US turned out:rolleyes:

dont talk bollocks, if only TWO people turned up and voted in a fianna fail government you wouldnt get the bastards out for 5 years.

this was simply and purely a PERVERSION of democracy. there was a six percent MAJORITY rejecting it. that SHOULD have been respected, it wasnt and the irish peoples will was shat on. and if you say it got accepted secound time round, well lets go for a THIRD one now and see what result we'd get:) a referendums ment to be ONCE and thats it unless the document is SIGNIFICANTLY different, and the NICE treaty WASNT

this governemnt DOESNT care about democracy, thats why we didnt get a presidential election because if mary lost, it wouldve been a SURE sign berties on the way out. and ahern didnt want to risk that.

WHY do you think hes so hot for the EU constitution? because it would take precedence OVER our own, and once enacted a council of EU presidents could ammend it at their will without have to bother with trifling thins like the people constitutional right to vote on it.
bertie said it best, "if we vote in the EU constitution it'll be the LAST referendum in a generation" that can ONLY happen if we lose our rights. abortion anyone:mad:

One of the worst examples of propper English grammar i've ever seen. Plus totally baseless and incorrect.

constitutionus

Kilsally wrote:

I am still waiting to hear all these Sinn Fein supporters state if they are communists or not.

for the record im voting sinn fein and independants, and im NOT a communist:D i just believe we should remain faithful to the original ethos of the country, we're a MIXED economy, not a capitalist and not a comunist one
NEITHER of the last two ,if taken to the extreme, are healthy.

constitutionus

ateam wrote:

One of the worst examples of propper English grammar i've ever seen. Plus totally baseless and incorrect.

wonderfully suscint, but utterly uniformative answer

netwhizkid

Deleted User wrote:

Vote for you?

After that, you betcha. I'd vote for you if you were running, walking or crawling. I was particularly stirred up by the bits I have highlighted.

What will you call the party?

I was thinking the Irish Independent United Socialist Procrastinate Party, What do you think?

ON TOPIC: A mixed economy is healthy but we are not one, We are a cut-throat Capitalist society, this was introduced by Mary Harney from 1997 on. If we were mixed, then Eircom would be public as would Irish Ferries and the ESB would be allowed build new power plants and all of Dublin would not have to pay the M50 toll and all those new tolls on all those new motorways being built. Will any new road be free again?

USE YOUR VOTE CHANGE IRELAND FOR THE BETTER, VOTE OUT THESE IDIOTS!

gurramok

ateam wrote:

One of the worst examples of propper English grammar i've ever seen. Plus totally baseless and incorrect.

No, the bit about the Nice Treaty is not baseless.
Govt scare tactics made the lazy part of the electorate who didn't turn out and vote Yes in the 1st referenda vote Yes to come out and vote Yes again.
Funny thing is, most people i know who did vote yes feel they were conned.

ateam

constitutionus wrote:

wonderfully suscint, but utterly uniformative answer

Well on the issue of the presedential election..Anyone could put their name forward to compete against Mary Mac...It was the decision of the opposition to abstain from the competition. So i don't see where you get you're notion that Bertie Ahern influenced matters.

You make sweeping statements about Bertie Ahern and democracy on what basis? He is sticking to all the laws laid down and holds a general election every five years..

In addition, FF supporters on this thread and others don't use bad language to attack their competitors.

ateam

gurramok wrote:

No, the bit about the Nice Treaty is not baseless.
Govt scare tactics made the lazy part of the electorate who didn't turn out and vote Yes in the 1st referenda vote Yes to come out and vote Yes again.
Funny thing is, most people i know who did vote yes feel they were conned.

Doesn't the result of the second referendum have to be accepted as well? The people spoke...

constitutionus

netwhizkid wrote:

I was thinking the Irish Independent United Socialist Procrastinate Party, What do you think?

ON TOPIC: A mixed economy is healthy but we are not one, We are a cut-throat Capitalist society, this was introduced by Mary Harney from 1997 on. If we were mixed, then Eircom would be public as would Irish Ferries and the ESB would be allowed build new power plants and all of Dublin would not have to pay the M50 toll and all those new tolls on all those new motorways being built. Will any new road be free again?

USE YOUR VOTE CHANGE IRELAND FOR THE BETTER, VOTE OUT THESE IDIOTS!

to be honest man fianna fail USED to be a party that at least tried to up hold a republican ideal (ala france) so theres STILL hope for em. ironically Sinn Fein now are what they used to be, i.e active on a grass roots level, shock horror LISTENING to AVERAGE people who despite what people think make up the vast majority of voting people whom if you can get them out will put you in power.
so my policy is give FF a good kicking at the next election to remember that a democracy is about listening to the majority of the people NOT just the middle class and big businness. and but the PDS OUT of business.
ya read it here first people, next election the PDs get 2 seats:)

bringitdown

Back to the topic in question.

I have no allegiance to any party, but don't particularly like FF. I have my doubts about FG. PD's hmmm some good, some bad overall they appeal to me the most. Lab some good, too much bad.

After that, NO NO NO to the Greens there policies are insane, NO NO NO to Sinn Fein they are a bunch of former terrorists.

/edit: and I struggled with the word former.

netwhizkid

constitutionus wrote:

to be honest man fianna fail USED to be a party that at least tried to up hold a republican ideal (ala france) so theres STILL hope for em. ironically Sinn Fein now are what they used to be, i.e active on a grass roots level, shock horror LISTENING to AVERAGE people who despite what people think make up the vast majority of voting people whom if you can get them out will put you in power.
so my policy is give FF a good kicking at the next election to remember that a democracy is about listening to the majority of the people NOT just the middle class and big business. and but the PDS OUT of business.
ya read it here first people, next election the PDs get 2 seats:)

You heard the man, a round of applause is in order. The PDs two seats please let it be 0 seats. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to hear that Mary Harney was eliminated in the first round.

Sand

now im playing devils advocate here but what exactly seperates em from the mainstream political parties? the IRA have disarmed and are about as relevant as an american war appreciation society now. at least thats what BERTIE tells us, even if you bought into the whole IRA/SINN FEIN nonsense. is there a connection? sure. but no more than finna gael / IFA or PDs / IBEC.

If Bertie told me water was wet, Id check to make sure. And the IRA still exists, and anticipation of the IMC report has moved from delerious optimism to grudging acceptance of reality that the IRA is still active. Tell me, have you been able to get a members list from the IRA? Until you can comparisons to appreciation societys are dishonest.

at least when the IRA did what they did they KNEW it was against the law, OUR POLITICIANS WATCHED OVER ALL THE THINGS I MENTIONED AND EITHER COVERED IT UP BY DISAPPEARING FILES OR MADE THE BLOODY THINGS "LEAGAL

Youre equating incompetence and corruption with murder, organised crime and a completely off the wall morality?!?! On any reasonable scale, Ill take incompetence and corruption over people who claim murder isnt murder, or who refuse to cooperate with murder investigations, or who have such a twisted mentality that theyll campaign against ASBOs on the one hand, yet utilise punishment beatings on kids for "anti-social behaviour". How can you be so angry about incompetence/corruption in officialdom, and yet not care that SFIRA has dissapeared sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, mothers, sisters and destroyed entire families? Get a sense of proportion.

Mary O Rourke may upset people with ill chosen comments and generally being completely useless, but shes unlikely to hire an IRA punishment squad as her electoral workers unlike O Snodaigh. Its no contest between them as far as Im concerned.

I completely with you shroomfox, we are globalised and have no power to protect our employees. Our labour laws are something straight out of Victorian England during the industrial revolution. The fact that Dunnes Stores staff were sacked for wearing a trade union badge says it all doesnt it. The government should nationalise all major and minor Industry and introduce fairer conditions for the masses. Major defence forces are vital we are an Island nation where 6 counties out of 32 are under the rule of a foreign nation, this nation in particular has showed no mercy during 800yrs of rule over the whole of the Island. This nation continues to rape and pillage to this very day, this is why we need a defence force. Britain is an enemy of the Republic of Ireland and we need to be protected. Like the king of England could waltz in at any time and tell us what we can and cannot do. We need state control on all industries and the complete eradication of Capitalism throughout the island. The move to a controlled economy could benefit everyone and we could bring back the Irish Punt and abolish the English language completely. Once our nation is grown strong enough we could consider retaking Northern Ireland by force if necessary our population is sky rocketing, we may have no choice shortly. Just look at our planning laws we will soon be out of space for one off housing. If thing continue we may even have to colonise parts of Britain yet. I would love to go into politics but i think it is just too much work.

So who are you going to vote for? and would you vote for me if i was running

Seriously, the joke has gotten very old. "Abolish the english language completely", "colonise parts of Britain"? Hilarious, never have such heights of comic genius been reached, etc, etc. Now move on.

breandan

Sinn Fein.
I dont agree with some of their 'tactics' and indeed some of their policies but as far as Im concerned they are the best of a bad lot.

ateam

breandan wrote:

Sinn Fein.
I dont agree with some of their 'tactics' and indeed some of their policies but as far as Im concerned they are the best of a bad lot.

why? What do you base this on given the fact that they have never been in government before?

constitutionus

ateam wrote:

Well on the issue of the presedential election..Anyone could put their name forward to compete against Mary Mac...It was the decision of the opposition to abstain from the competition. So i don't see where you get you're notion that Bertie Ahern influenced matters.

if memory serves 7 people but themselves forward, labour being shamed into nominating micheal D , but oddly enough the announcement to hold an election so people could put themselves forward was rigged so it COULDNT be part of the motions of the county councils that could have nominated candidates ala DANA, and your right, why WOULD the opposition violate my constitutional rights, a deal couldnt have been done could it? but why would the opposition do that? funny how we have a fianna gael lord mayor in dublin now isnt it:) call me conspiratorial if you wish, but weve ALREADYseen labour do a deal with fianna fail to get speaking rights in the dail, allowing bertie to duck out every thursday so who knows

ateam wrote:

You make sweeping statements about Bertie Ahern and democracy on what basis? He is sticking to all the laws laid down and holds a general election every five years..

and if you'll check you'll see what i wrote was a quote. bertie SAID it, and correct me if im wrong but the ONLY way the irish people dont have a right to vote on constitutional matters is if the right is sceeded somehow and my guess is thats whats in the EU constitution. remember we're one of the ONLY countries where the government HAS to consult us. holland pre the EU constitution referendum last year hasnt had one in over 200 years:eek:

ateam wrote:

In addition, FF supporters on this thread and others don't use bad language to attack their competitors.

correct me if im wrong but if your talking about the post im thinking of i was insulting ALL the political parties EQUALLY, not the poster in question. besides last i checked we're STILL a democracy and people can speak freely:mad: but i will attempt to moderate my language (no promises tho, this is politics and theres a LOT to lose the rag about )

fletch

ateam wrote:

One of the worst examples of propper English grammar i've ever seen. Plus totally baseless and incorrect.

Says the person who can't even spell proper correctly :rolleyes:

ateam

correct me if im wrong but if your talking about the post im thinking of i was insulting ALL the political parties EQUALLY, not the poster in question. besides last i checked we're STILL a democracy and people can speak freely:mad: but i will attempt to moderate my language (no promises tho, this is politics and theres a LOT to lose the rag about )[/QUOTE]


You called the current government "bastards". You're making sweeping statements and guesses...why not list the reasons for us to vote for Sinn Fein

Zebra3

gurramok wrote:

No, the bit about the Nice Treaty is not baseless.
Govt scare tactics made the lazy part of the electorate who didn't turn out and vote Yes in the 1st referenda vote Yes to come out and vote Yes again.
Funny thing is, most people i know who did vote yes feel they were conned.

Yes, so maybe we can get some phony polls made up and demand a third Nice Treaty vote. Why not? That's what some people are justifying for the second one.

Oops, it doesn't suit the "democrats". :rolleyes:

constitutionus

Sand wrote:

Youre equating incompetence and corruption with murder, organised crime and a completely off the wall morality?!?! On any reasonable scale, Ill take incompetence and corruption over people who claim murder isnt murder, or who refuse to cooperate with murder investigations,

the problem is the ira are on ceasefire for the last 10years+, mary harney was STILL stealing money from pensioners up to last year and THEN tried to retrospectively make it leagal. evem macalese couldnt stomach that one. EVERYTHING youve said about the RA is in the past, vested interests are STILL being pandered to by this government (from ALL the mainstream parties) its NOT incompetence when you DELIBERATLY persecute people ala the hep C victims or flog off parts of dead babies brains and then "disappear" the files.thats criminality and perverting the course of justice!
at least you can say SOME of the IRA were locked up, name ANY of the doctors to go down over the organ retention scandal.
the state is a FAR more sinister organisation than some pidling ex paramilitay organisation. I just hope you dont end up on the bad side of one of these interests, because if you have to go up againts the state you'll need AT LEAST one million euros to get "justice". doubt me, as frank Mc briorty jr

constitutionus

ateam wrote:

You called the current government "bastards". You're making sweeping statements and guesses...why not list the reasons for us to vote for Sinn Fein

ok
1. NOT in favor of the EU constitution, i'd at least like to have one party beside the greens who think sovereignty is a nice idea. i get VERY worried when parties that are ment to be in opposition, arent

2. belive SOME things shouldnt be privatised. rampant capitalism is just as bad as a state run monopoly,but at least we'd still OWN the conscern and could possibly effect change as opposed to a private company which'll tell ya to feck off.

3. they STILL talk to the little man. just as labour are champaigne socialists fianna fail have abandoned their roots . last election NONE of the main stream parties came to my area for anything other than to litter it with posters:mad: fact is Sinn Fein WANT my vote, hell they want me to JOIN the party (not gonna happen, im a floating voter who'll change my stance as the situation requires ). the others couldnt be bothered, so why should i reward them when they show no interest in me. its NOT a good sign for the future representation they'll give me

3.they live in the real world (or at least CLOSE to mine:D ) FACT Sinn fein TDs take the average industrial wage for themselve and pump the rest into the party ala what the socialist do.
i dont begruge someone a wage but politics to me is a VOCATION not a business, you want to make millions take the chances of failour that go with it.(micheal martin stand up, E VOTING would have got you fired from EVERY private business in the country) the sad fact is ALL TDs earn over 100k a year putting em in the top 2% of the population. how can you possibly know what im going through on 20k. its this DIVORCING from reality that removes most main stream politicans from the people they're supposed to represent. as things stand they dont understand why people are riling againts stealth taxes and toll roads . Sinn Fein TDs DO because they LIVE in the areas they represent and see the problems because the wage they take puts em in the same position. bertie ahern got my yearly wage as an increase and DIDNT even notice it, and who can blame him when he blows 28k a year on make up.these are not the actions of someone living in the same world as me

4. they actually WANT to promote energy production and exploite the natural resources of the country as opposed to handing em over for nothing to foreign multinationals. i mean im not even sure if RAMBOs deal with the oil and gas companies is even constitutional. what single government has the right to give away the resources of the country, isnt that protected by heritage or something
any way we've seen NO new state owned power producing initiatve because EUROPE want to leave that up to the private sector. now im sorry but if your rolling in cash like we are now SURELY we should be investing that in something to help secure the longterm energy production ability of the country

there's more put im tired. you might have noticed i dont give a toss about the peace process. i just want an alternative to the rampant capitalism thats going on right now we're a SOCIETY not an ECONOMY. ive no problem with people making buck, but NOT at the expense of human dignity

i suppose to sum it up , FIANNA FAIL should represent me, LABOUR are supposed to represent me. but as im a low paid PAYE worker the ONLY party out there offering me anything is Sinn Fein.
but im not delusional, as soon as they get into power they'll end up just like the rest of em. but i reckon we got 10ys+ before they sell out and take us for granted . just like FF

And as i said, i'll be voting independants too

Diorraing

constitutionus wrote:

the problem is the ira are on ceasefire for the last 10years+, mary harney was STILL stealing money from pensioners up to last year and THEN tried to retrospectively make it leagal. evem macalese couldnt stomach that one. EVERYTHING youve said about the RA is in the past, vested interests are STILL being pandered to by this government (from ALL the mainstream parties) its NOT incompetence when you DELIBERATLY persecute people ala the hep C victims or flog off parts of dead babies brains and then "disappear" the files.

Well said. Whether you agree or not with what the IRA did is irrelevant. They are gone and have been cleared by the IMC. Attack Sinn Féin on their ludicrous economic policies but don't use the IRA as an argument. This shows insecurity and immaturity - Sinn Fein bashing is pointless and not productive. The achievement of a United Ireland is a fair & reasonable policy (under the GFA). Lets not forget how quickly Fianna Fáil got into politics after the civil war - Less than 10 years. Its been over 10 years since the IRA ceasefire.
GET OVER IT - THEY ARE GONE SO STOP USING THEM TO BASH SF

Netwhizzkid Quit the trolling or you will be banned from here.

Thats your final warning

As for the rest of ye,I'm having to wade through a lot of shoite here to read a few decent posts so whatever about the Good Friday Agreement would your Re acquaint yourselves with the Good Poster Agreement located here

Please take that on board now - Thank you

Freelancer

netwhizkid wrote:

I was thinking the Irish Independent United Socialist Procrastinate Party, What do you think?

ON TOPIC: A mixed economy is healthy but we are not one, We are a cut-throat Capitalist society, this was introduced by Mary Harney from 1997 on. !

Absurd. Did you see Harney privatise the entire health care sector in 1997, no. You are delusional.