Which party do you support / will vote for?

Cronus333

constitutionus wrote:

so your telling me power and infulence are better than freedom nice to know where you stand, I treasure the democracy we have here and am not in favor of a rotating council in europe in which at certain points we dont have representation on. like i said we DONT have to go along with everything the EU wants to be good europeans, NOT joining the euro hasnt stoped the danes being as good citizens as the rest of us or taking active part in debates and discussions. if others want to turn into the UNITED STATES OF EUROPE thats fine. i personally think intergration has gone far enough, we have the tools to compete and to be honest i dont like how the new countries have been treated like secound class citizen and dont think that bodes well for the next round of countries
but i DO agree with your statements about china et al, and have to ask no matter who we hook up with HOW are we gonna compete with north korea doing hi tech IT jobs for a dollar a day?

Actually I do want a U.S.E., and when did I claim to be anything other than a raving Europhile?Something to note constitutionus, at last with European integration we have a solution to uture economic problem, you haven't proposed any alternative to the EU.

samb

ionapaul wrote:

I will vote PD, FG in that order. I will fill my ballot out and would probably give Labour and even maybe FF candidates lower preferences, based on how much they impress me. I would also vote tactically to deny the SF candidate a seat, if that opportunity presents itself.

You just love all the moderates, very positve. They are all great;) I like the way you said ''if that opportunity presents itself'', instead of 'if I must''. I hope you wont need to.
Now I would go Labour, FF, FG and leave it at that. But would also vote tactically against SF.

invincibleirish

constitutionus wrote:

voting sinn fein myself, and local independants. not because im particularly republican in view but last time NOT ONE MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE came though my area, and i dont reward cowardice

to be honest the main reason is because i see them as the ONLY functional opposition in the dail (with the possible exception of the greens who dont appeal to me ) fianna geal and labour give off a lot of steam but the only thing that REALLY pisses them off is that theyre not the one's implementing the EXACT same policies as fianna fail and the PDs , i mean honestly can you name anything that ACTUALLY differentiates between them on the EU constitution for example, or the ROSSPORT 5 ? on energy production in this country or action on the BLATANT exploitation of people by unscrupplous employers ?

im sorry im addressing a week old post but i have to point out the grievous lie in italics, Sinn Fein are anything but the only "functional" oppostion in the dail,if anything they are the weakest of the oppostion parties,this is due to the knowledge that SF are soft on FF for obvious reasons, Granted the opposition parties as a whole have not been exactly on fire for the past few years(i say that as a member of one of the opposition parties), but to say SF are providing strong opposition is downright mad!!.

The_Minister

constitutionus wrote:

last time NOT ONE MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE came though my area, and i dont reward cowardice

By any chance is you area one of those where people call out the fire brigade and then stone them for fun.:D
I would take a lot to make a politician abandon a vote.

constitutionus

Firespinner wrote:

By any chance is you area one of those where people call out the fire brigade and then stone them for fun.:D
I would take a lot to make a politician abandon a vote.

what, me , live in foxrock :eek: ? perish the thought

rsynnott

I'll vote to keep SF out. That would seem to be the most important thing...

shroomfox

So will I! Huzzah!

Also, up the USE!

rsynnott

shroomfox wrote:

So will I! Huzzah!

Also, up the USE!

USE? Vas ist das?

rsynnott

rsynnott wrote:

USE? Vas ist das?

United states of Europe I think...

Fine Gaeler

To keep SF out vote FG.Fine Gael are the only party I'd trust not to enter Government with Sinn Fein.

I know Bertie has ruled the possibility of FF/SF coalition out, but can we trust him?After all he's known to have a history of trusting the shinners more than he ought to and turning a blind eye to their non-recognition of the state.He's also done secret side deals with them and even negotiated to release the McCabe killers.

Fine Gael's committment to the state on the other hand is unquestionable.

Cronus333

Fine Gaeler wrote:

To keep SF out vote FG.Fine Gael are the only party I'd trust not to enter Government with Sinn Fein.

I know Bertie has ruled the possibility of FF/SF coalition out, but can we trust him?After all he's known to have a history of trusting the shinners more than he ought to and turning a blind eye to their non-recognition of the state.He's also done secret side deals with them and even negotiated to release the McCabe killers.

Fine Gael's committment to the state on the other hand is unquestionable.

What about the PDs? they seem fairly against our favourite marxists/terrorists.

Fine Gaeler

Michael ''hot air'' McDowell is still part of a government that has increasingly turned a blind eye to SF's links with this illegal,criminal organization the IRA. It was McDowell who negotiated with the shinners to release the killers of McCabe and since then I've lost all respect for him.

The PDs like their soundbites but when it comes to the security of the state I'll trust FG who have ben defending the state's institutions since 1922 rather than a party formed in 1986 from a split in FF. Sure the PDs are less favourable to the shinners than FF, but are frequently found lacking when it comes to targeting this menace head on.

miju

i wont be voting for fianna gail, the greens (rather spoil my vote)

will be voting for SF, any independant and then fianna fail in that order

ISAW

Fine Gaeler wrote:

Michael ''hot air'' McDowell is still part of a government that has increasingly turned a blind eye to SF's links with this illegal,criminal organization the IRA. It was McDowell who negotiated with the shinners to release the killers of McCabe and since then I've lost all respect for him.

this is avery silly and biased stance. Mc dowell is probably the biggst opposer of SF in the Dail. Indeed he is critised for abusing Dail priviledge to have a go at SF and assosiates and supporters of theirs and their policies.

and I say that from a non biased viewpoint as I am not a PD or a Mc Dowell supporter and am on record sometimes defending what he attacks.

also the Mc Cabe issue is something you have absolutly WRONG! The whole issue was taken to court by SF and the verdict was that they were nor eligible for release because they were not so declared. the ONLY PERSON who can declare them so is the Minister for Justice! All he has do do is say they are eligable and they are! He hasnt! so your one sided argument is exposed as blatent propaganda for FG.Which is not surprising given the name you go under.

The PDs like their soundbites but when it comes to the security of the state I'll trust FG who have ben defending the state's institutions since 1922 rather than a party formed in 1986 from a split in FF.

Many PD seats also came I believe from FG TD's but they all lost their seats at the next election. When you go on about linking "state institutions" and a party you make me think of the first leader of FG. He was a facist you may remember. By the way FG did not exist in 1922. You really should learn the history of your party.

Sure the PDs are less favourable to the shinners than FF, but are frequently found lacking when it comes to targeting this menace head on.

I really think not relasing prisioners in spite of SF demands and speaking without backup evidence in the Dail on several issues contradicts this allegation.

I may as well add my thinking.

I see no reason for me to Vote for the current lot except, that well theres no credible alternative.
I see no reason to vote FG other than I might be bored with the current lot and I want a different lot doing much the same thing.

I *might* given the option vote, for Joe Higgins or a related candidate as he hasnt completely alienated me and seems to speak common sense(that I've seen)

I couldnt and wont be voting SF as their Economic polices(from what I've seen) are a joke ie completely unrealistic.I also didnt come down in the last shower and wouldnt vote for them untill I hear no more reports of IRA activity such as the stuff mentioned in one of todays sunday newspapers...How a party can claim to be socialist and yet have itself openly accused of benefiting from a 100 million Euro crime empire in the sunday papers and yet not sue is beyond me.
Common sense tells me to go with my head on that and stay a 40ft barge pole distance from them untill the act is shown to be entirely cleaned up.

Labour-Well to be honest I like them but I'd expect that after 5 years of a coalition with FG, the country would probably be in a similar state as it is now ie probably a good state with quite a few things still wrong like the health service.
I've seen it all before and will again from the main parties.
Theres a threshold beyond which radically they're not willing to go to grapple the thorny issues like decisions on hospitals and Airports, and toll booths.
Talk is always cheap in opposition but whatever happens when they get into government any of the main parties just get lethargic.
For example if FF are turfed out next time, they'll be the ones preaching probably against the exact same slow decisions that they themselves would take when in...
Common in a democracy that-but hey at least we get to score card them every 5 years or so and change the guard if necessary-thats healthy.

constitutionus

invincibleirish wrote:

im sorry im addressing a week old post but i have to point out the grievous lie in italics, Sinn Fein are anything but the only "functional" oppostion in the dail,if anything they are the weakest of the oppostion parties,this is due to the knowledge that SF are soft on FF for obvious reasons, Granted the opposition parties as a whole have not been exactly on fire for the past few years(i say that as a member of one of the opposition parties), but to say SF are providing strong opposition is downright mad!!.

one question: Your againts the EU constitution,who do you vote for?

rsynnott

constitutionus wrote:

one question: Your againts the EU constitution,who do you vote for?

Probably Sinn Fein, or Christian Solidarity if you've TOTALLY lost it.

LordSutch

Anybody except Sinn Fein ..............

Cork

Earthman wrote:

I couldnt and wont be voting SF as their Economic polices(from what I've seen) are a joke ie completely unrealistic.

The Examiner did an analysis of SF economic policies and the results were pretty negative.

It would bring this country back to the dark ages.

Michael ''hot air'' McDowell is still part of a government that has increasingly turned a blind eye to SF's links with this illegal,criminal organization the IRA. It was McDowell who negotiated with the shinners to release the killers of McCabe and since then I've lost all respect for him.

Michael McDowell stood up to the likes of SF/IRA.

I think that this is widely accepted without providing web links.

Cronus333

Fine Gaeler wrote:

Michael ''hot air'' McDowell is still part of a government that has increasingly turned a blind eye to SF's links with this illegal,criminal organization the IRA. It was McDowell who negotiated with the shinners to release the killers of McCabe and since then I've lost all respect for him.

The PDs like their soundbites but when it comes to the security of the state I'll trust FG who have ben defending the state's institutions since 1922 rather than a party formed in 1986 from a split in FF. Sure the PDs are less favourable to the shinners than FF, but are frequently found lacking when it comes to targeting this menace head on.

the age of a party doesnt instantly make them better..... and werent Cumann na Gael, your beloved parent party, a split from Sinn Fein in the first place?

The_Minister

Fine Gaeler wrote:

Michael ''hot air'' McDowell is still part of a government that has increasingly turned a blind eye to SF's links with this illegal,criminal organization the IRA. It was McDowell who negotiated with the shinners to release the killers of McCabe and since then I've lost all respect for him.

It is called compromise. I doubt he liked it but sometimes you have to ignore your conscience for the greater good.

Muiriosa

I will be voting Fine Gael myself. They are the only party out there at the momet who are speaking a bit of sense. They have clearly shown what a wasteful lump of lard our current government are. FF make me sick. Go to build a port tunnel, and wouldn't you think they'd measure the lorrys first... Four times over budget on that particular project and overspending right across the board too. Wasters.

FG would make a strong, confident government.

constitutionus

rsynnott wrote:

Probably Sinn Fein, or Christian Solidarity if you've TOTALLY lost it.

ya forgot the greens:D

my point is we dont have an alternative besides the fringe nutters to vote for if were worried about europe and i get the distinct feeling people are vastly underestimating just HOW many people are really conscerned about this. just like the citizenship referendum. everyone said its a two horse race, myriad number of polls were taken comfirming this and then 8 out of every 10 voters brought it in. NO ONE saw this comming so it'd be nice if at least one of the mainstream parties paid a little attention to this:D

The_Minister

rsynnott wrote:

Probably Sinn Fein, or Christian Solidarity if you've TOTALLY lost it.

Do christian solidarity have any elected reps anywhere?

Cronus333

Firespinner wrote:

Do christian solidarity have any elected reps anywhere?

I don't think so. but they got a lot of the vote- more than Sinn fein I think- in Dublin North.

The_Minister

Cronus333 wrote:

I don't think so. but they got a lot of the vote- more than Sinn fein I think- in Dublin North.

We could probably do with one - just for laughs

klash

A surprising number of "I'll vote for the Shinners just for a change" gang here. Thats saying something about the "politicians" we have now considering the Shinners policies and background don't ya think ?

FF/FG = Feck all difference, in fact the only times the "differences" appear is when ones trying to get into government ... to do the exact same thing the other has being doing.

Greens = meh

PD's = Couldn't live with the thought of wasting paper, ink and time voting for those gang.

So who else is there ?

Jaysus i'm not a Republican, nor a socialist, nor do i agree with any of Sinn Féins policies but if i vote i will probably give it to them too. (Realistically i more then likely just won't vote but if i did next time)

People are pissed off with this government and there are NO (sane) alternatives. FG could get in next year and do you think we'd notice any difference apart from gift grub changing from Bertie to Enda (Or Bertie 2).

Its a sad state of affairs when many people are going to put in a vote for a party they don't agree with just because there are no alternatves. Especially a party with Sinn Féins history.

Fine Gaeler

Michael McDowell compromised on an issue of security. That's unacceptable and shows him to be something of a hypocrit.He's constantly talking the talk but when it came down to it he was founf lacking.

I never suggested FG are ''better'' than PDs just that FG have a proven record of always standing between the state and anarchy protecting the popularly elected government and the institutions of the state from minority outrage.

Of course I'm not suggesting a revolution is imminent but when gardai are murdered by sub-versives the perpetrators should be locked up and their release should never be part of political negotiations reduced to a political football.

Muiriosa

Muiriosa wrote:

Four times over budget on that particular project and overspending right across the board too. Wasters.

FG would make a strong, confident government.

Speaking of spending, one is reminded that in 1986 as the last elected Fine Gael government was coming to the end of their tenure, Ireland had the highest level of debt per head of population in the world and 31,000 people a year were leaving.

As for the Port Tunnel, if you want to believe it's as simple as not being bothered to measure trucks, fair enough, there is no point in going into the complexities. People may criticise, but even the most ardent opponents of the project would concede that there's a bit more to it than 'not measuring the lorries first' as you seem to think.

Vangelis

If I was Irish I'd vote for Sinn Féin. :cool: