Man Utd vs Blackburn (will include scores)

Lemlin

chiller wrote:

sour grapes lemin we deserved to win

I never said United didn't. What I did say was that more than a few decisions went United's way. Hughes has every right to be angry.

Corben Dallas

It never ceases to amaze me the rabid auto confidence of Utd supporters when their team gets in a final/before a Liverpool/Chelsea/Aresnal match,its as if they have a divine right to win.
NEWSFLASH!!!!>the other team sometimes will beat you.

Wigan have every chance of getting a result. ...'More silver then for Utd'.....HA!

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They also have gotten used to Refs/linesman being pushed around and intimidated at Old Trafford, they oblige and partically no Pens are ever awarded to the away team in Old Trafford.
.....like last night penatly for handball in Blackburns box = penalty, Rio does the same in second half =nothing... cause of aggro it will cause. The FA should look into this and stirke off spineless refs.

Lets face it lads this its probably ManUtds only hope of a Trophy this year.
.....all be it slim.

fade2black

Corben Dallas wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me the rabid auto confidence of Utd supporters when their team gets in a final/before a Liverpool/Chelsea/Aresnal match,its as if they have a divine right to win.
NEWSFLASH!!!!>the other team sometimes will beat you.

Wigan have every chance of getting a result. ...'More silver then for Utd'.....HA!

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They also have gotten used to Refs/linesman being pushed around and intimidated at Old Trafford, they oblige and partically no Pens are ever awarded to the away team in Old Trafford.
.....like last night penatly for handball in Blackburns box = penalty, Rio does the same in second half =nothing... cause of aggro it will cause. The FA should look into this and stirke off spineless refs.

Lets face it lads this its probably ManUtds only hope of a Trophy this year.
.....all be it slim.

Quiet you.

astrofool

that was utd's first penalty in a long while afaik

Davei141

And im sure the last peno was equally soft.

Lemlin

astrofool wrote:

that was utd's first penalty in a long while afaik

Doesn't stop the fact that it shouldn't of been a penalty and, if the referee was to be consistent, Blackburn should of had one for the same reason in the second half.

And don't talk to me about not getting penalties, Blackburn went a full season and nearly twenty games without getting one

cournioni

OK let me finish this. The referee was ****. He shouldn't have give a penalty to United in the first half as it was not deliberate, same with the Blackburn claim for a penalty. It was not a penalty either. We can understand why Hughes was a little pissed off, who wouldn't be? But it still doesn't take away from the fact that United were the better team on the night and deserved to win.

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MrPillowTalk

Corben Dallas wrote:

when their team gets in a final/before a Liverpool/Chelsea/Aresnal match,its as if they have a divine right to win.

Because we do

Also if you think Utd have such a slim chance of beating Wigan I propose a wager to test the fibre of fabric

Lemlin

PORNAPSTER wrote:

OK let me finish this. The referee was ****. He shouldn't have give a penalty to United in the first half as it was not deliberate, same with the Blackburn claim for a penalty. It was not a penalty either. We can understand why Hughes was a little pissed off, who wouldn't be? But it still doesn't take away from the fact that United were the better team on the night and deserved to win.

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Better team indeed. But I like forward to a league meeting next week with a consistent referee. It wasn't a penalty but United got one. Justice was done when it was saved but it also should of been done when Blackburn should of got one down the other end. It could have made it a very different game.

BaZmO*

Lemlin wrote:

Better team indeed. But I like forward to a league meeting next week with a consistent referee. It wasn't a penalty but United got one. Justice was done when it was saved but it also should of been done when Blackburn should of got one down the other end. It could have made it a very different game.

How would justice of been done if Blackburn had of been awarded a penalty? It just would've compounded the issue of bad decisions by the ref. As you've said in your post, justice was done when RVN's penalty was saved.

therecklessone

Lemlin wrote:

Better team indeed. But I like forward to a league meeting next week with a consistent referee. It wasn't a penalty but United got one. Justice was done when it was saved but it also should of been done when Blackburn should of got one down the other end. It could have made it a very different game.

Didn't see the 2nd incident, but if its as reported by people on here then it was no more a peno than the 1st half one (which wasn't one). If justice was done by RVN's peno being saved, then an injustice would have been done by the award of a 2nd half peno to Blackburn...

On your other point...will you have Bellamy or Dickov available for the weekend? Cos you need them based on Wednesday's show.

Lemlin

BaZmO* wrote:

How would justice of been done if Blackburn had of been awarded a penalty? It just would've compounded the issue of bad decisions by the ref. As you've said in your post, justice was done when RVN's penalty was saved.

Originally posted by therecklessone
Didn't see the 2nd incident, but if its as reported by people on here then it was no more a peno than the 1st half one (which wasn't one). If justice was done by RVN's peno being saved, then an injustice would have been done by the award of a 2nd half peno to Blackburn...

Man United got their penalty. It wasn't Blackburn's fault RVN missed it. He could just have easily buried it. To even things out, Blackburn should of got one down the other end when Ferdinand commited exactly the same offence (even if it wasn't a penalty, one had been given against Blackburn so the referee has set the standard and should be consistent).

Originally posted by therecklessone
On your other point...will you have Bellamy or Dickov available for the weekend? Cos you need them based on Wednesday's show.

Bellamy should be back but I'd prefer to see him rested until next Wednesday night against Man United at Old Trafford. Dickov is out for about six weeks.

We're playing West Ham away this weekend and, to be honest, I wouldn't be too bothered if we lose. Hughes seems to like the cup competitions though and I'm sure he'll go for the win but I'd prefer to concentrate on the league.

After playing Man United next weekend, we've a run of three games (Everton, West Brom and Sunderland) that I think we could take 9 points from.

Btw, watch out for the young winger came on the other night, Sergio Peter. He's meant to be the next big thing at Blackburn and had a hand in all three goals in the recent cup win over QPR.

BaZmO*

Lemlin wrote:

Man United got their penalty. It wasn't Blackburn's fault RVN missed it. He could just have easily buried it. To even things out, Blackburn should of got one down the other end when Ferdinand commited exactly the same offence (even if it wasn't a penalty, one had been given against Blackburn so the referee has set the standard and should be consistent).

That's a very loose definition of the word "justice" that you've got there.

Lemlin

BaZmO* wrote:

That's a very loose definition of the word "justice" that you've got there.

How is it? For example, a man commits an offence and gets tried, he may get off but at least he was brought to court. Another man commits the same offence and doesn't even get brough to court. Hardly right, is it?

BaZmO*

Lemlin wrote:

How is it? For example, a man commits an offence and gets tried, he may get off but at least he was brought to court. Another man commits the same offence and doesn't even get brough to court. Hardly right, is it?

But you're forgetting that each of the incidents weren't crimes/offences they were accidental. So therefore the first one was a bad decision/mistake which Utd. failed to capitalise on so I fail to see how awarding another penalty (when it quite clearly wasn't) would be justified.

PHB

It wasn't a peno, it sholdn't have been given, but it was. Every United fan has accepted this, yet people are still arguing. Its cause Blackburn shoulda gotta a peno? But it wasn't a foul, so it shouldn't have been given, and it wasn't.

Your idea of justice is silly, because justice was done in that neither foul had a effect on the game. What more can you ask for? You want one to have an effect and one to not have an effecT? That makes no sense. Justice is all about the effects, and in this match neither mistakes made any effect.

Lemlin

The fact is that United got their penalty, Blackburn didn't. Even though United missed theirs, should Blackburn not of been given the right to at least take one? The two crimes were the same and if the referee punishes for one, he has to punish for the other. This is where Mr Poll let himself down and why Hughes made his comments.

United fans here can argue until they are blue in the face but the fact is that the referee made a decision which was clearly better for and biased towards United. Even if Ferdinand's handball wasn't a foul, Mr Poll had set the precedent earlier and should of followed it.

gracehopper

Lemlin wrote:

The fact is that United got their penalty, Blackburn didn't. Even though United missed theirs, should Blackburn not of been given the right to at least take one? The two crimes were the same and if the referee punishes for one, he has to punish for the other. This is where Mr Poll let himself down and why Hughes made his comments.

United fans here can argue until they are blue in the face but the fact is that the referee made a decision which was clearly better for and biased towards United. Even if Ferdinand's handball wasn't a foul, Mr Poll had set the precedent earlier and should of followed it.

If a jury in a court case makes the wrong decision. Does that mean the jury for the next case has to follow suit and make the wrong decision again???

If OJ Simpson is innocent, does that mean Michael Jackson is?? i suppose it does. justice me hole!!!

therecklessone

Lemlin wrote:

The fact is that United got their penalty, Blackburn didn't. Even though United missed theirs, should Blackburn not of been given the right to at least take one?

Well, not really. Thats not how the game works. Bad decisions aren't supposed to be levelled out by further bad decisions.

The consensus is that the ManYoo peno was a bad decision, the Blackburn non-peno was the correct decision. None of us can speak for Poll, but IMO his judgement was at fault for the 1st incident, but correct for the 2nd. Precedent doesn't come into it, he judged incident one to be deliberate handball, incident two he judged to be accidental. If anything, giving the 2nd peno would have further compounded his bad performance on the night, and I doubt even Mark Hughes wants that.

Hughes was right to be pissed off at the referee, but not for not giving you a peno, but for giving ManYoo one.

BaZmO*

Lemlin wrote:

The fact is that United got their penalty, Blackburn didn't. Even though United missed theirs, should Blackburn not of been given the right to at least take one? The two crimes were the same and if the referee punishes for one, he has to punish for the other. This is where Mr Poll let himself down and why Hughes made his comments.

United fans here can argue until they are blue in the face but the fact is that the referee made a decision which was clearly better for and biased towards United. Even if Ferdinand's handball wasn't a foul, Mr Poll had set the precedent earlier and should of followed it.

How are you still arguing this point?

edit - Not "How" "Why"?

Lemlin

BaZmO* wrote:

How are you still arguing this point?

edit - Not "How" "Why"?

Because I've nothing better to do

astrofool

If you want to be so pedantic, then you could argue that the blackburn's players arm was raised, and the utd's player wasn't.

Fact is neither was probably a penalty, but had they occurred anywhere else on the pitch, both would probably have been a free kick, and its something that needs tightend up rules wise.

I'd be of the opinion that if the arm was raised when hit, even if its ball to hand, then it should be a peno/free, but if the arm was down it shouldn't be. When its hand to ball, down or not (i.e. the player has the time to see the ball coming) then it should always be a free/peno.

Jivin Turkey

Lemlin wrote:

Bellamy should be back but I'd prefer to see him rested until next Wednesday night against Man United at Old Trafford. Dickov is out for about six weeks.

I wouldn't rush Bellamy back alright. Couldn't take a chance the way Hughes conditions his strikers

Lemlin wrote:

The fact is that United got their penalty, Blackburn didn't. Even though United missed theirs, should Blackburn not of been given the right to at least take one?

You're dead right. And justice would have been served if Blackburn missed theirs too.

Lemlin

Could I have a link for your tabloid-esque comments about Hughes please? Or some proof?

Jivin Turkey

Lemlin wrote:

Could I have a link for your tabloid-esque comments about Hughes please? Or some proof?

The proof is that Hughes didn't have a single fit centre forward by the end of the game on Wednesday. Or not wait, that's just injuries, they happen to everyone

Lemlin

Jivin Turkey wrote:

The proof is that Hughes didn't have a single fit centre forward by the end of the game on Wednesday. Or not wait, that's just injuries, they happen to everyone

You remind me of something..... oh yes, that's right, an annoying and tiresome itch I once had.

Missing half your team through injury doesn't happen to most people. I was willing to leave the Souness thread, if you want it to restart yet again, then I will. Nothing else to do in work tomorrow