Homeless People with Mobiles

MrSinn

I did but why do people always have to bitch with each other over the smallest thing

AARRRGH

MrSinn wrote:

I did but why do people always have to bitch with each other over the smallest thing

Well, I'm smiling as I type. I find the ridiculous finger pointing on boards.ie hilarious.

Oh, you're an idiot!
You racist!
You predjudice!

LOL.

Giblet

dublindude wrote:

Well, I'm smiling as I type. I find the ridiculous finger pointing on boards.ie hilarious.

Oh, you're an idiot!
You racist!
You predjudice!

LOL.

Did anyone call you that in this thread? Why would you think I would call you a racist? Am I too PC? Maybe you should think before you type and stop talking crap. Oh, and €120 for a mobile phone? I'm glad he asked him how much he paid before posting this thread or are you spouting nonsense... Please don't play the "hurrr PC brigade" crap with me thanks, you have no basis for it. I'm still wondering why a homeless person with a phone or runners is so unbelieveable, every person and their granny have one. Would you rather he spent his money on a bindle stick and hobo gloves? I think you are thinking about it too much. Try not to, they have enough on their plates without you "worrying" about them.

Bear in mind a "?" denotes a question and not an accusation or finger pointing. I think it's funny how people keep saying that everyone is too PC, while this whole "are you going to call me a racist" crap is ignored. It's just as stupid, and adds nothing to an argument. So LOL all you want there chief.

Guy:Incognito

Doctor Fell wrote:

Hold on, we are talking about fellow humans here. People who are homeless are people who obviously need help, probably the most vulnerable group in society. It's amazing the way they are despised, judging by some of the comments. They need help, not scorn, and besides there is no reason to scorn or laugh at people who need help. Most of the comments are so idiotic and ignorant - like the above. Who are they? Who are u to be such a snob? And to answer OP, u do sound like a Nazi - in fact people like SteKelly, I wonder would they support some sort of Nazi-like round up of homeless people? Probably...
Oh yeah, and why should you decide what possessions they have? And besides, what are u doing to do about it??

You hang on. If I want to give money to charity I'll go find a charity to give money to. I dont need people in their brand new nike air max sitting at my feet at an atm begging for money. They are at atm sin the hope that the odd person in 10 will take an extra tenner out and give it to them as its the lowest note available. I dont appreciate being pressured to give money and wouldnt appreciiate my Girlfriend/sister/mother feeling intimidated and that they could be in danger if they dont give somethign even though they dont want to .

Giblet wrote:

Would you rather he spent his money on a bindle stick and hobo gloves? I think you are thinking about it too much. .

I'd rather he used the money for either not being homeless or buying whatever it is he's begging money off me for.

MrSinn

Giblet wrote:

Did anyone call you that in this thread? Why would you think I would call you a racist? Am I too PC? Maybe you should think before you type and stop talking crap. Oh, and €120 for a mobile phone? I'm glad he asked him how much he paid before posting this thread or are you spouting nonsense... Please don't play the "hurrr PC brigade" crap with me thanks, you have no basis for it. I'm still wondering why a homeless person with a phone or runners is so unbelieveable, every person and their granny have one. Would you rather he spent his money on a bindle stick and hobo gloves? I think you are thinking about it too much. Try not to, they have enough on their plates without you "worrying" about them.

Bear in mind a "?" denotes a question and not an accusation or finger pointing. I think it's funny how people keep saying that everyone is too PC, while this whole "are you going to call me a racist" crap is ignored. It's just as stupid, and adds nothing to an argument. So LOL all you want there chief.

Dude go and fight with your sister

ferdi

toffeapple wrote:

These people are know as "tappers"... even amongst junkies this is seen as the lowest thing to do...they dont tend to be homeless just junk bags who couldnt be bothered stealing...real homeless people despise them

man i love your sig

AngryBadger

Stekelly wrote:

I'd rather he used the money for either not being homeless or buying whatever it is he's begging money off me for.

rotflmfao oh god, make it stop!! Seriously, best statement ever, how would that go though?

Bank manager: What'll it be today sir?
Hobo: Oh I'd like to invest this €120 in shares of "not being homeless" please, I read on an internet forum that it'd be a better way to spend this money than Nike shoes.
Bank manager: Teh internet machine you say....they said that....seriously?

ok, sorry, I digress, that's just brilliant though. My only qualm with homeless guys having mobiles/nike runners/other signs of affluence is why are they begging for money to spend on luxury items? €120 could be used to stay in a hostle for a few nights with some meals, and the chance to go looking for a job etc etc

Granted having a mobile could be a gift from someone, or their only connection to society. I'm not even stating this as a grievance they're obviously free to spend the money i give them however they please, but a mobile or expensive runners just seems a bit stupid to me.

Giblet

MrSinn wrote:

Dude go and fight with your sister

Off topic. Banned.

Guy:Incognito

AngryBadger wrote:

rotflmfao oh god, make it stop!! Seriously, best statement ever, how would that go though?

Bank manager: What'll it be today sir?
Hobo: Oh I'd like to invest this €120 in shares of "not being homeless" please, I read on an internet forum that it'd be a better way to spend this money than Nike shoes.
Bank manager: Teh internet machine you say....they said that....seriously?

ok, sorry, I digress, that's just brilliant though. My only qualm with homeless guys having mobiles/nike runners/other signs of affluence is why are they begging for money to spend on luxury items? €120 could be used to stay in a hostle for a few nights with some meals, and the chance to go looking for a job etc etc

Granted having a mobile could be a gift from someone, or their only connection to society. I'm not even stating this as a grievance they're obviously free to spend the money i give them however they please, but a mobile or expensive runners just seems a bit stupid to me.

The simpler version of that rant would be to book into a hostle for the lenght of time €120 allows. Last time I was at a bus stop I think the guy asking me for hostle money said it was €7 a night or something.


*I didnt read past the first paragraph before replying, hence it being similar to the third paragraph, but thats what I was getting at*

Giblet

I still dunno where this 120 euro thing comes from.

Guy:Incognito

Giblet wrote:

I still dunno where this 120 euro thing comes from.

exactly, where DO they get it.

But seriously. The price of a new pair of air max I think is where it started.

Giblet

It could have been from someone who knew them, maybe they stole them, who knows. What's the real issue though? Are you offended by someone on the street asking for money when they have new shoes on. I'd be offended if say, they got up and went home. If the price to pay for wearing those runners is SLEEPING ON THE GOD DAMN STREET, I tend to look the other way.

Guy:Incognito

Giblet wrote:

It could have been from someone who knew them, maybe they stole them, who knows. What's the real issue though? Are you offended by someone on the street asking for money when they have new shoes on. I'd be offended if say, they got up and went home. If the price to pay for wearing those runners is SLEEPING ON THE GOD DAMN STREET, I tend to look the other way.

Well that's you choice so. Mine is to not support people continueing to beg/harass people for money to keep themselves in fashion/non nessecities. I have no problem helping someonewho needs it, but I wont help someone who just wants money and to be able to continue asking for free money.

ricey

Blue Peter wrote:

They find it hard to get landlines

Ha ha ha thats what i was thinking, and with all the tax free
money to be made from begging why not.

AngryBadger

Giblet wrote:

the price to pay for wearing those runners is SLEEPING ON THE GOD DAMN STREET

No I'm guessing the prive of the runner is about €100/120, and what I'm saying is, why not use the €120 euro to do something more constructive. I'm not condemning homeless peple for having nice shoes, I hope they enjoy them, but surely they'd want to stop being homeless at some point, and €120 would be helpful in achieveing that?

Also, if people disagree with that, aren't they kind of saying we should reward stupidity?

Giblet

AngryBadger wrote:

No I'm guessing the prive of the runner is about €100/120, and what I'm saying is, why not use the €120 euro to do something more constructive. I'm not condemning homeless peple for having nice shoes, I hope they enjoy them, but surely they'd want to stop being homeless at some point, and €120 would be helpful in achieveing that?

Also, if people disagree with that, aren't they kind of saying we should reward stupidity?

Well without knowing all the facts, you can hardly call someone stupid now really. Anyway, I'm moving this to Humanities, the immature people posting their comments in an otherwise "mature" discussion isn't helping.

Oh, and I suggest finding somewhere else to buy your runners if they all cost 120 euro.

AngryBadger

I hardly think that was an immature point. I've said I don't begrudge homeless people whatever comforts they have, but I'm also pointing out that if you have the money for nike runners/mobiles wouldn't that money be better spent on finding a job, somewhere to stay for a few nights, and so on.

All runners don't cost €120, but a pair of Nike runners is around that figure, and sicne it was Nike runners that were mentioned earlier in teh thread that's the benchmark being used

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Giblet

I didn't mean your post. MrSinn I meant. And without knowing exactly how they obtained these things, you can't really make judgements about them.

AngryBadger

But i can point out that if someone, who is homeless, and presumably has very little money, (since they're homeless), then it makes very little sense for them to spend what is a large sum of money on expensive items such as nike runners/mobile phones.

Guy:Incognito

Giblet wrote:

I didn't mean your post. MrSinn I meant. And without knowing exactly how they obtained these things, you can't really make judgements about them.

Well you suggested they may have been stolen. Why should we reward thieves with free money?

Giblet

I doubt they think they're being rewarded. I know you yourself may be gifted with a strong moral fibre, but when you live on the streets you aren't so steadfast in such beliefs.

MorningStar

I don't know if has been mentioned but drug dealers now use phones as contact. The mobile phones are used to contact your dealer. It is the same as them having a needle.
All the other reasons are fair but that is the main reason.

toffeapple

Do you honestly think a homeless dude walks into Champion sports covered in his own filth and says "alright bud giz yer best pair o air maxxxxx wil yee" and hands over 120 quid? dont be fu*king daft lads.... the lads with the mobile phones and expensive runners are "tappers"...beggars....they beg during the day to get enough for gear and go home clean themselfs up...i know lads from around my way that did this for years.....real homeless people do not have brand new air max..get a grip of yourselfs

BaZmO*

MarinoMark wrote:

If they have an apple in their hand...they are not hungry..dont give them any money....If they are in a porch they are not homeless...Dont give them any money....Jesus prepaid mobiles are easy to get, maybe you dont have credit but most hostels/agencies have a freephone number to get you a bed for the night....That has to be the most selfish uneducated remark I have read on boards in a long long time...Sad !

What are you talking about? How are my comments 'selfish' and 'uneducated'? Did you even read my post?

mickymg2003

MarinoMark wrote:

I have always wondered how homeless people charge up their phones

Maybe in hostels or in a resturant or something. I used to always charge my phone in work or school.Scabby i know but hey its free electricity!!!

Blub2k4

Teach them all smoke signals and let them strap roughly hewn strips of leather to their feet with supeglue, or go barefoot, the ingrates.

Blub2k4

toffeapple wrote:

Do you honestly think a homeless dude walks into Champion sports covered in his own filth and says "alright bud giz yer best pair o air maxxxxx wil yee" and hands over 120 quid? dont be fu*king daft lads.... the lads with the mobile phones and expensive runners are "tappers"...beggars....they beg during the day to get enough for gear and go home clean themselfs up...i know lads from around my way that did this for years.....real homeless people do not have brand new air max..get a grip of yourselfs

Junkies steal to feed habits, then they need to sell what they steal, runners and phones will go for a fraction of their retail price when someone is getting sick...so get a grip :rolleyes:

<edit> getting sick is a euphemism for heroin withdrawal for the uninitiated.

Hmm_Messiah

So what i am saying is that these guys/girls, maybe they want to be homeless..thats its actually a choice that they have made, like your friend.. and that they are comfortable living like this..

Sometimes its without any choice
Sometimes yes it is a choice, but one choosen with a very limited number of options
I've never heard of some one "comfortable" being homeless, I don't think its possible in those circumstances to be physically comfortable.

Some mayy well find so psychological comfort, despite their situation, feeling its better/safer/saner that what they left behind. The modern world can be an extra ordinary hard reality to live with. dysfunctional families and relationship can be your worst image of hell.

I dont doubt some peole end up homeless for less than noble reasons, or some flaw in their character, but I'd still not judge any other person. Each individual has a story, and unless you knkow the story, and the limites of the tools available to them to deal with "life" either try be sympathic and helpful, or disregard them if you choose, but the criticisms and judgements are more a reflection on yourselves.

I've known homeless people. I know I personally would of found great solace (and more sleep) knowing they had a mobile so were some how reachable. Leaving aside drug issues, have you any empathy with a parent who can't have her son/daughter at home but has not a moments rest wondering are they safe and well. Knowing they are reachable, locatable is a great thing.

A friend of mine when missing for 3 weeks, it was the most painful draining experience of my life.

A part solution might be when you can see some one struggling see is there even a little thing you can do to help. I've given shelter/home to some one in the past, but that was a special situation, other epople who only lent an ear, or a meal, or facilitated return to education also helped.

When you wonder how they can afford phones, or how the charge them wonder also: what do they do when they develop chest infections and are incapacitated, how do they protect themselves from violent people that we never need know exist, how long has it been since they received a present, or fellt clean and bright in new clothes, what exactly did they get, or give, this christmas, - you cold ask them what stale food, or other peoples half eaten taeaway tastes like, or how they manage when the cold is so invasive they can't warm any part of themselves, or how cruel life has been that this is there life, what terrible situation did they endure til it broke them,

and then theres the older lonely homelss man/woman, with no social contact, no difference in one day and the next........

toffeapple

Blub2k4 wrote:

Junkies steal to feed habits, then they need to sell what they steal, runners and phones will go for a fraction of their retail price when someone is getting sick...so get a grip :rolleyes:

<edit> getting sick is a euphemism for heroin withdrawal for the uninitiated.

I know a lot more about this than you think...so don't presume to be some authority on all things "junkie" ..not all them can steal cos their well known and begging is an easy number...and if ya wont to know how i know this you can PM me and i fill you in.

MiCr0

toffeapple - keep it civil or be banned

toffeapple

MiCr0 wrote:

toffeapple - keep it civil or be banned

point taken..got a bit heated.sorry.

adonis

Well that's you choice so. Mine is to not support people continueing to beg/harass people for money to keep themselves in fashion/non nessecities. I have no problem helping someonewho needs it, but I wont help someone who just wants money and to be able to continue asking for free money.

my point in a nutshell! bar the harrassing thing...i ahve never really been harrassed by a beggar/homeless person.

Zombrex

adonis wrote:

my point in a nutshell! bar the harrassing thing...i ahve never really been harrassed by a beggar/homeless person.

Its better not to give beggers money directly at all since most are drug addicts and use the money for drugs (don't ever believe someone if they tell you they need money for a "hostel").

If someone feels they want to help homeless people they should donate money to the many homeless charities, since you know the money is going to actually help people.

As for beggers with mobile phones, a) you can get a second hand mobile phone for €10, hardly a "luxary" item, b) why would anyone care?

Blub2k4

The problem is ( I hope I speak with toffeeapples permission here :rolleyes:) that the money will HAVE to come from somewhere, by giving them the money you would in a lot of cases facilitate the one crime of drug taking but possibly prevent the theft of a handbag, the smashing of a car window or a counter jumpover, giving the few quid is a much lesser evil IMO.