US: 2X13 - "The long con" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Rob30888

6

Sorry if this has been mentioned here as I don't have time to read every little bit, but has anyone mentioned Hurley talking about the radio thing coming from anywhere and "any time" before saying just kidding? Seemed a bit odd...

Sauron

8

^^

tbh, I think that was just the producers poking fun at all the time-related theories...


still....

Basq

8

Sauron wrote:

tbh, I think that was just the producers poking fun at all the time-related theories...

Agree completely... loved that!

'Lost' seem to be doing this more and more recently - rubbishing / dismissing or just poking fun at fan theories.... i love it!

Smurfpiss

6

Best bit of the whole episode and why has nobody mentioned it?

"Scott, Steve, Whatever!"

Nice little self reference there!

yeah it was a good enough episode, way better than last weeks anyway. but sawyer and charlie are acting like **** stains...
Tbh is it such a big deal if the radio show was from another time? can't signals from the past theoretically bounce off some distant object and return to earth? or is that bollox? i dunno... anyway... it gets a 7.

Anima

8

Nah signals can't bounce forever, they degrade over time and eventually just become noise. Its probably just an FM signal they're receiving, like Sayid said, from 1000s of miles away.

Basq

8

Oh.. and when i watched the episode the second time, i realised something else. Don't think it's been mentioned yet!

When Sayid and Hurley were searching for reception on the radio, they recieved a signal playing some Glenn Miller.

Bit of background info on Glenn Miller for those who don't know:

On December 15, 1944, he was scheduled to fly from England to Paris to play for the soldiers who had recently liberated the city. His plane departed from Twinwoods Airfield, Clapham, a village near Bedford, but disappeared over the English Channel and was never found. Miller's disappearence remains a mystery; the fact that neither Miller's remains nor the wreckage of his plane (a single-engined Noorduyn Norseman UC-64, USAAF Tail Number 44-70285) were ever recovered from the Channel have led to many conspiracy theories over the years.

How'd ya like dem apples?! :eek: :eek:

balkieb2002

6

Just another one of the cool little easter eggs that are hidden throughout each ep.

Nice find.

monkeyfudge

6

I was watching the Glen Miller Story this evening.

Jimmy Stewert plays Glen Miller... although I suspect he was really playing Jimmy Stewert.

ixoy

Enjoyed this more than most of the recent output. It's got a lot to do with actually having an interesting backstory for once! One that played more into the main storyline and did reveal further just how unable Sawyer is to break away from his role. It's also nice to be able to have ambiguous feelings about a character than feel the show is telling us to like Jack (who I still think is an arrogant ass).

The Glenn Miller reference there is a nice little bit that doesn't impinge heavily but having Kate's mother appear? C'mon. We really need some more logic to these coincidences and overlaps. Sure they're fun and all but surely they'd be better if rationed out a bit more? This is like playing 3 degrees of separation, rather than 7.

Still, all in all, I liked this one and enjoyed it, only rolling my eyes about once. All they need to do now to regain my love is keep this quality up, have the characters actually assess what they know intelligently, and move the arc along a little bit quicker rather than (as I'm hazarding a guess) prolonging it to try and make as much cash for the studio as possible..

cosgrove80

8

ixoy wrote:

Still, all in all, I liked this one and enjoyed it, only rolling my eyes about once. All they need to do now to regain my love is keep this quality up, have the characters actually assess what they know intelligently, and move the arc along a little bit quicker rather than (as I'm hazarding a guess) prolonging it to try and make as much cash for the studio as possible..

Thought this episode was one of the best so far this season.

The pace has been fairly slow this season. Part of me thinks that Lost would be slightly better if it wasn't so popular.
The studio realizes it has a cash cow on their hands and will probably milk it for as long as possible. If it had been more of a cult hit we may have got two seasons of high tension TV and a conclusion.
Some may argue that the journey is just as important as the destination. Maybe they’re right, just as long as they make it more Orient Express than Bus Eireann.

godtabh

7

Good so I gave it a 9. Hopefully now it will start building up to the end of the season.

stevejazzx wrote:

hurleys remark
'or any time' is uber mysterious, how they're gonna explain interdimensional time shifts i don't know.......

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe I shouldnt read to much into it but the music that was playing seemed so old that it could've come from the 50's. Even the presenters voice seemed to come from that era.

Aquos76

8

For me this was the best episode of Season 2 so far. It has really left many issues unanswered. I have also previewed 2x14 and that really looks good. Now I cant wait.

Lets hope it has turned the corner now. Does anyone actually know how many episodes there are going to be in series 2

tvnutz

7

lostexpectation wrote:

ah its kim dickens the hoare Joannie Stubbs from Deadwood, she looks better as a blond, I still hope that show is coming back...

ah thats who it is! couldn't figure it out when I saw her,she does look better as a blond. And yes,Deadwood is coming back fro a 3rd season.

Beruthiel

8

loved this episode, gave it a nine.
didn't see sawyer coming tbh, wonder where they are going with this story line, seems a bit mad that a man would turn everyone against him like this when there is no where to go and he may need their help in the future.
course, it could be he is just bad to the bone and can't help himself no matter what the outcome, but I expect there will be more to it than that.
wonder what the charge will be per gun

sephirosis

8

Someone mentioned about the whole Scott/Steve thing, but that annoyed me a little as Ana Lucia was never around to meet Scott (or was it Steve? whichever one was killed by ethan) so she surely shouldn't have confused the two. I know it's nitpicking but there you go :rolleyes:

Also kudos to whoever noticed the Gary Troup = Purgatory thing first. I think that whole manuscript is just a little joke easter egg.

Also now that RTE has started the new season, what's people's opinions on the little Lucozade ads. I think they're still fairly cringeworthy but nowhere near the level of last years 02 ads in terms of wanting to put my foot through the tv screen. :v:

pchead

7

Liked the episode - much better than recent episodes.

One little thing about moving the guns - why move the guns and not the ammo instead?. Or if it there was too much ammo, just take out all the firing pins and hide them somewhere in the hatch. Much easier than lugging a dozen rifles all over the jungle.

Maybe there is a good reason for this - its not like Lost to overlook little things like this.

sephirosis

8

Something else I meant to mention earlier but stupidly forgot; when Sawyer offers Charlie the statue he says something to the effect of "if I wanted one I would just have taken one before telling you where they were", so it made me think ok he didnt take the heroin, but maybe he took something else, like one of the guns. Its quite possible that Sawyer now isn't the only one with guns. After all I dont think Sawyer ever saw just how many were there so he would not have noticed if Charlie nabbed one of the pistols, or even something bigger.
Sawyer has set himself up to be on top, but the problem with being on top is everyone wants to pull you down, and Charlie isn't really in his right mind as of late, so who knows what could happen.

Hyzepher

sephirosis wrote:

Someone mentioned about the whole Scott/Steve thing, but that annoyed me a little as Ana Lucia was never around to meet Scott (or was it Steve? whichever one was killed by ethan) so she surely shouldn't have confused the two. I know it's nitpicking but there you go :rolleyes:

I think the point is that every one of them gets Scott/Steve mixed up so she probably picked it up from them

Hyzepher

monomaniac

8

I wonder if the whole Scott/Steve references are just a joke or possibly leading to something bigger?
I remember at the time that one of them got killed by Ethan there were rumors that the one who survived swapped identities with the other - it may have been one of the writers or one of the actors that play Scott/Steve that said tihis- they used to post at the fuselage a lot.

The one that survived was told that he'd get a flashback ep in season 2 (looking very unlikely now).

I wonder are they connected to the upcoming Bad Twin novel??

doh.ie

7

monomaniac wrote:

I wonder if the whole Scott/Steve references are just a joke or possibly leading to something bigger?
I remember at the time that one of them got killed by Ethan there were rumors that the one who survived swapped identities with the other - it may have been one of the writers or one of the actors that play Scott/Steve that said tihis- they used to post at the fuselage a lot. The one that survived was told that he'd get a flashback ep in season 2 (looking very unlikely now).QUOTE]

I'm doubting this too, mostly because casual viewers will not know who he is at all, and the chances of someone tuning out because the subject of the flashback was unknown are too high for them to risk trying this. (If they'd given Steve more dialogue and involvement in episodes this season, I would think it a good idea, but as it stands, he's largely forgotten by mainstream viewers.)

The "swap" isn't very likely now either, though I was convinced of that even at the time. It won't be used now because any possibility of that being a workable plot ended as time moved on from Scott's death.

I do agree with the original post, though - Ana Lucia's naming Scott (who she never knew) seemed odd and an almost forced joke. I take the point that the other castaways probably refer to Steve as Scott even now, but even if they made a mistake, it would presumably be corrected; I find it bizarre she'd have the wrong name as opposed to someone who knew both men.

doh.ie

7

tvnutz wrote:

ah thats who it is! couldn't figure it out when I saw her,she does look better as a blond.

Another factor that made this week's flashback way more interesting than usual. Lovin' her work.

monomaniac

8

doh.ie wrote:

I do agree with the original post, though - Ana Lucia's naming Scott (who she never knew) seemed odd and an almost forced joke.

It seems like the writers are adding lots of "in-jokes" and "cross-overs" because they think it's what the avid fans (I'd regard as anyone who reads lost forums, websites) want.

However as doh.ie says - they seem almost forced. Other examples:
- Kate's mum.
- The unreadable billboard in Fire + Water (though this apparently will be significant)
- The washing machine reference by Hurley.

If the writers are adding easter eggs just for the fun of them I'd like them to go on record stating this as it contradicts the original statement that "every detail in Lost is significant".

doh.ie

7

monomaniac wrote:

If the writers are adding easter eggs just for the fun of them I'd like them to go on record stating this as it contradicts the original statement that "every detail in Lost is significant".

Yep. Couldn't agree more. I think this is the case for 90% of the incidences of the numbers showing up too. (A clock showing 8:15 has no relevance to anything - unless Dharma are "implanting" memories or affecting the lives of the losties.) I reckon most of the coincidences are nothing more than that too - problem is, in the beginning they were fun. As they become more and more obscure, they end up just bizarre and nonsensical. I'm inclined to put what was heard from Sayid's shortwave radio into the same pot.

As for the billboard, this apparently said (potential spoiler, probably not)

"WIDMORE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY", the likely connection being this is the group which constructed the hatches. Someone on another forum make the point about the wonky-ness of these Easter Eggs by pointing out that an anagram of "WIDMORE CONTSTRUCTION COMPANY" is "COUNTDOWN TIMER IS A CYRONIC MOP."

So there you have it. Between Hurley's washing machine and the countdown timer mop, the secrets of Lost are starting to peel away!

sephirosis

8

I think

a better anagram of Widmore Construction Company

is in fact

Countdown Timer Is A Porny Comic

! :v:

And btw at what time during Fire and Water was this shown approximately?

Apologies if spoiler tags were inappropriate

monomaniac

8

Don't have the exact time but it happens after the nappy video shoot when Charlie is pleading to the director for a second chance.

They open the doors of the set as the director walks to his trailer. At that stage you can see a big construction site across the river - the sign is barely visible let alone readable.

doh.ie

7

monomaniac wrote:

Don't have the exact time but it happens after the nappy video shoot when Charlie is pleading to the director for a second chance.

They open the doors of the set as the director walks to his trailer. At that stage you can see a big construction site across the river - the sign is barely visible let alone readable.

Yeah, it was apparently bigger in the original finished graphics, but they decided it was too prominent (probably distracting) and had it changed. As Easter Eggs/red herrings go, this is a particularly crap one, I have to say.

And was it just me, or did that *not* look particularly like London? No less so than the street scene on the way to the Underground near the end. And was that an American advert Charlie and DriveShaft were shooting? If not, why were they not advertising "nappies" instead of 'Bubbies Diapers'? (I suppose you could argue it was an American ad being *made* in London, but it doesn't ring true.) None of that is plot-related, just more American productions thinking they've "got" the British-ness down and messing it up.

Ivan

8

I fúcking love this show. Pretty much everything that needed to be said, has been.

Though I must admit I'd like to sit down with someone who speaks korean and watch all these episodes again. I think it would add an insight into their relationship and actually help give us an idea of their characters.

All in all, 9/10

Agamemnon

7

Good episode, nice to see Sawyer back to his villainous best. It's creepy to see how far off the deep end Charlie has gone. Could it be he's got the Sickness that French chick spoke about? This could be how it starts: weird dreams, odd behaviour & sleepwalking. Charlie is more vulnerable to mental illness in his current state. The antidote to it is in the bunker but does anyone know? Maybe Desmond or French chick will return and help him out/shoot him.

Psycopat

8

super episode, my favourite yet, 9/10 for me, cant wait till 14