VW's new TSI engine

maidhc

McSpud wrote:

Retailing at 26k for 140bhp & 30k for 170bhp.

€30k with 1.4 VRT? ffs.

Mike2006

Just got 2 quotes from Hibernian for:


1. Golf 1.4 GT TSI 170bhp - €480
2. Golf 2.0 GTI 200bhp - €935


I am ~30 and 7yrs NCB with 0 penalty points.

Seems to be quite a difference alright.
I still reckon that I would buy the GTI if I was to make the decision today.

Mike.

HashSlinging

The new sirocco (spell check) has the 1.4 tsi with 200bhp.

I think insurance, tax and better MPG would make me pick the GT over the GTI.

drdre

Mike2006 wrote:

Just got 2 quotes from Hibernian for:


1. Golf 1.4 GT TSI 170bhp - €480
2. Golf 2.0 GTI 200bhp - €935


I am ~30 and 7yrs NCB with 0 penalty points.

Seems to be quite a difference alright.
I still reckon that I would buy the GTI if I was to make the decision today.

Mike.

With that cheap insurance i would consider purchasing a R32.:D

TempestSabre

drdre wrote:

With that cheap insurance i would consider purchasing a R32.:D

Students are obviously a lot better off than they used to be...

unkel

Jeremy Clarkson reviewed the Golf 1.4 GT TSI 168bhp last Sunday. He thought it was shite:

Jeremy Clarkson wrote:

the truly woeful engine

:eek:

btkm8unsl0w5r4

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-2505907,00.html for clarksons review not too jolly i am afraid but I doubt its as bad as he makes out.

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/04/30/story13779.asp

there was a design flaw so i believe in the older TDi turbos. Not a problem with all turbo engines as I have seen old DTI vectra 97/98 yrs go past 150,000 miles with never a problem with the turbo.

as per the above link the 2litre TDi is also being upped in power.

About the 1.4 supercharger/turbo being taxed at a higher rate than damn the hippies in the tax office if they try!! But a turbo and a supercharger increases working capacity the same way as a turbo or supercharger does in any other vehicle equipped with one. So the Merc Kompressor wit a sueprcharger or a GTI with a turbo or even you DTI vectra - they are taxed by the engine CC.
I cant see them trying it. I think they got away with taxin the mazda because it was a different type of engine. Still its anti progress in my opinion.

Lots can be done to petrols to improve power and economy in the future (but i still prefer diesel - unless they make a petrol that has 150bhp at least and 350nm of torque at least and gets at least 55mpg)
Petrols with turbos can have boost increased (more air leaner burn - using less petrol per cycle) and to prevent detonation you can add a water alcohol injection to keep it cool PLUS it increases torque!
Lots of advances already made (just yet to be mass marketed) and more to come
MERRY XMAS

TempestSabre

unkel wrote:

Jeremy Clarkson reviewed the Golf 1.4 GT TSI 168bhp last Sunday. He thought it was shite:

:eek:

Most of that review didn't even talk about the car, and theres no context with any similar cars. Theres nothing to be learned from reading that drivel.

unkel

TempestSabre wrote:

Most of that review didn't even talk about the car

Really?

Judith Quaint Knickers wrote:

I doubt its as bad as he makes out.

He exaggerates for England. In the review he claimed it was one of the 5 worst cars he had ever driven. Yeah, right...

TempestSabre

No complaints about the alarm anyway

HashSlinging

Seen two of these over the weekend, one on the road it was the 140bhp with TS and a red "i" and also seen the GT parked outside synotts in Wicklow.

The 140bhp seemed to have plenty of poke in it, it hissed away as someone in a punto tried to undertake it.

ciarsd

Bit pricey though, the list price for a 1.4TSI DSG GT is about €32K before delivery etc, sure a GTi is only €5K approx more..
I dunno.

I thought it was cool at first but a supercharger with a turbo charger with all the extra bits in between to make them work together is just asking for trouble.

Personally I would avoid it until the engine is a bit more mature.

JoeA3

yeah, there's 5 grand between a GTI and a 1.4TSI. As well as the nice GTI styling bits, the GTI is also much better equipped.
This makes the TSI look very expensive in my eyes.... it's still a 1.4 and when you go to sell it in 3 years that's exactly what the salesman will tell you too!

Henry Ford III

It's stupidly expensive for a 1.4 and whilst I agree that Clarkson "bigs it up" to be controversial and sell papers, he must geniunely have thought the engine a poor one.

He has nothing bad to say about the Golf GTI, infact he's a big fan.

If the power delivery of the TSI is even half as jerky and progressive as he suggests, it'll be a massive shame as theis engine nad technology appeared perfect for the Irish market.

How can a almost 170 GT badged hot hatch be overtaken by a van?

HashSlinging

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VW have a van out with the 2.0TDI 140 bhp engine, if it was remapped to 170bhp and empty the thing would fly, with the available power most cars would find it very hard to keep up.