Republican Riots in O'Connell Street

Sand

Well if they do that then people affected by republican violence would be pretty justified in kicking up a fuss. The rioters may be too stupid to see that they are doing what the march organisers wanted today but that doesn't negate the fact that this is exactly what the march organisers wanted and it is their fault this happened.

Its the fault of the rioters actually. They could, like most people including myself, been a bit mature and shrugged and went on about their daily lives. That they didnt have the basic ability of civic responsibility to go "**** them anyway, Ive got better things to do" isnt the fault of the marchers. The rioters came to start a riot, the Love Ulster crowd came for a march. A march we might disagree with, but it doesnt demand that we go out there with a brick and a iron bar to settle things Belfast style.

Would you blame the NICRA marchers for the attacks on their marchers by loyalist gangs back in the 60s and 70s? Afterall, they would have suspected violence was likely if they marched....

Freelancer

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Sean Crowe (SF TD) was on newstalk about an hour ago totally and utterly condemning the trouble. SF had called for people to ignore this march. Some people (the thread starter & ateam) would not believe it though

Newstalk are about to do an interview with the deputy head of SF, who organised the counter protest, it's a bit difficult to not believe something when it's not true.

A Dub in Glasgo

Freelancer wrote:

Newstalk are about to do an interview with the deputy head of SF, who organised the counter protest, it's a bit difficult to not believe something when it's not true.

Maybe you should listen to the radio are bit closer. Des Dalton from Republican Sinn Fein

guinnessdrinker

Republican Sinn Fein and Sinn Fein are completely different parties. RSF were to organise a picket.

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/3-0&fp=44006a0aaf69b904&ei=Z3wARPuANsjywQGqyZzUAg&url=http%3A//dailyireland.televisual.co.uk/home.tvt%3F_ticket%3DRBODALOLO9M2TRRIVQNC9NTHLZIZBHSJ7TRFOOPAJOTFIQN9CHVRG13EIOQNANSEANYAIGSGW4WQHONCN2WDALNNFIRGUT4MPNNADYNWNKLAFUTGYVQFIRY4X9SEAOY9CHYKTRRLRNNADY7532CY6%26_scope%3DDailyIreland/Content/News%26id%3D20209%26opp%3D1&cid=0

ateam

ghostdancer wrote:

stop trolling, it's an hour after it broke out and it has nothing to do with provo Sinn Fein. has Ian Paisley? has Peter Hain? has Ronald McDonald?

Perfectly valid question particluarly as these riots are being labelled as "Sinn Fein riots". I think it would be constructive for the leader of the party to come out and condemn the violence.

Sand

Apparently about 100 rioters have broken into the Jervis center and a similar number of riot gardai are arriving to deal with them according to Newstalk. These rioters are just displaying their utter scumbag credentials. TBH, I hope the Gardai beat the tar out of them...

A Dub in Glasgo

ateam wrote:

Perfectly valid question particluarly as these riots are being labelled as "Sinn Fein riots".

I suppose you are correct when people are ignorant of the facts. The thread title is wrong.

Cork

Benedict XVI wrote:

True, played right into their hands, just confirms to me what I have always hought, republicans are idiots

Not alone that but I for one am fed up with the narrow minded provo mindset.

I think it would be constructive for the leader of the party to come out and condemn the violence

He should come out and give political leadership.

ghostdancer

ateam wrote:

Perfectly valid question particluarly as these riots are being labelled as "Sinn Fein riots". I think it would be constructive for the leader of the party to come out and condemn the violence.

labeled by people either too stupid to understand what has happened or to deliberatly promote an anti-republican agenda.

Sean Crowe of Sinn Fein has already condemned the violence on radio, despite his party having absolutely nothing to do with the protest.

ateam

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

I suppose you are correct when people are ignorant of the facts. The thread title is wrong.

You would think that the leader of the party that is apparently mistakingly getting blamed would make an immediate statement disassiocating his party from the riot.

ghostdancer

Cork wrote:

Not alone that but I for one am fed up with the narrow minded provo mindset.

oh FFS. trust cork to stick in his anti republican comments.

the provos asked people to stay away from this march and let it pass of peacefully if it does go ahead. they had nothing to do with the protests. tell me, where is the narrow mindedness in that?

daveirl

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A Dub in Glasgo

ateam wrote:

You would think that the leader of the party that is apparently mistakingly getting blamed would make an immediate statement disassiocating his party from the riot.

SF have... do you not read? or listen to the radio? The usual anti-SF brigade are out in force on boards

ghostdancer

ateam wrote:

You would think that the leader of the party that is apparently mistakingly getting blamed would make an immediate statement disassiocating his party from the riot.

SF have already dissasociated themselves, what difference does it make who does it? :rolleyes:

ateam

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

SF have... do you not read? or listen to the radio? The usual anti-SF brigade are out in force on boards

Did you not read mine? I said the leader.

mcgarnicle

Sand wrote:

Its the fault of the rioters actually. They could, like most people including myself, been a bit mature and shrugged and went on about their daily lives. That they didnt have the basic ability of civic responsibility to go "**** them anyway, Ive got better things to do" isnt the fault of the marchers. The rioters came to start a riot, the Love Ulster crowd came for a march. A march we might disagree with, but it doesnt demand that we go out there with a brick and a iron bar to settle things Belfast style.

Well unfortunately there are people that are not like you and are not willing to just brush it off. There are people who are just waiting for a chance to start trouble, the march organisers know this and they exploited it. The reason these guys are rioting is nothing to do with unionism or republicanism. Go back to when that anti globalisation march headed towards phoenix park. I remember the pictures of the guys at the front of the crowds that were attacking the police, they werent exactly stereotypical socialist crusaders, celtic jerseys and air max all the way. These guys just like a fight and dont care what the cause is.

Sand wrote:

Would you blame the NICRA marchers for the attacks on their marchers by loyalist gangs back in the 60s and 70s? Afterall, they would have suspected violence was likely if they marched....

They were highlighting severe problems, those marches were necessary. Todays march was pointless flag waving by a bunch of pricks trying to prove a point.

MontgomeryClift

ateam wrote:

You would think that the leader of the party that is apparently mistakingly getting blamed would make an immediate statement disassiocating his party from the riot.

I hereby blame ateam for starting the riots in O'Connell St. His or her refusal to make an immediate statement will be proof of guilt.

ateam

MontgomeryClift wrote:

I hereby blame ateam for starting the riots in O'Connell St. His or her refusal to make an immediate statement will be proof of guilt.

I'm not sure what your implication is there...but it would act as common sense for the leader of the party that is being blamed for the riots to react to them by condemning them outright. Simple as that.

MontgomeryClift

By the way, this march has achieved exactly what was intended; what all such marches are designed to do - Provoke violence that reflects anyone but those marching. Those Unionists would buy and sell the morons down here. They always could.

Who gave permission for this march anyway?

MontgomeryClift

ateam wrote:

I'm not sure what your implication is there...but it would act as common sense for the leader of the party that is being blamed for the riots to react to them by condemning them outright. Simple as that.

So you're not denying that you started the riot?

dbnavan

Sinn Fein just Condemned this so its not a sinn fein riot.

patzer117

dbnavan wrote:

Sinn Fein just Condemned this so its not a sinn fein riot.

I seem to recall some incident up north about a £26m robbery which Sinn Fein condemned, in fact their leader came out instantly and condemned it strongly, and that also was nothing to do with Sinn Fein or the IRA as it turned out :rolleyes: .

I'll wait and see what the Gardaí say before making judgements but don't quote Sinn Fein as they aren't to be trusted in situations like this - they have proven this in the past

Cork

daveirl wrote:

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I am not one bit surprised.

They are things that are unacceptable in democratic politics.

What we get from the provos is excuses.

Cork

patzer117 wrote:

I seem to recall some incident up north about a £26m robbery which Sinn Fein condemned, in fact their leader came out instantly and condemned it strongly, and that also was nothing to do with Sinn Fein or the IRA as it turned out

The investigation is making progress.

Where did the garda or psni say they was no provo involvement?

Benedict XVI

Benedict XVI wrote:

That's it Dub, blame someone else.
This would not have happened to the extent it did if Republican s**t heads has not organized a counter protest.

It's Saturday afternoon, should you not be at a Celtic match or something ????

Banned for a week for charter breaking.
Attack the post not the poster

ghostdancer wrote:

stop trolling, it's an hour after it broke out and it has nothing to do with provo Sinn Fein. has Ian Paisley? has Peter Hain? has Ronald McDonald?

Banned for a week for charter breaking.
Attack the post not the poster

MontgomeryClift wrote:

I hereby blame ateam for starting the riots in O'Connell St. His or her refusal to make an immediate statement will be proof of guilt.

Be very carefull there or you will be number three.

Thread title ammended

Running Bing

These scenes are truly disgusting. That riot was a disgrace and all involved should be absolutely ashamed of themselves and are thugs.

Please however do not turn this, as most other threads on the forum, into an anti SFIRA rant fest. Sf told people to steer clear of this and condemed the riots. These rioters are not representative of SF or republicans as a whole. I am becomming more and more disillusioned with SF these days and am slow to offer them any support however the samll mindedness of many posters on this forum never fails to astound me. This issue is not about SFIRA, simple as that. The northern bank robbery has already been brought up and I assume its only a matter of time before robert mcarthneys murder is brought up. Please discuss the topic at hand and set up a SF rant thread if you feel the need to voice your opposition to SF's politics.

Finally I was wondering does anyone feel the unionists should come in for any condemnation. I am a very liberal person and believe everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and I have no problem with non-biggoted unionists, but it was clear there was one purpose of this protest from the outset and that was to cause trouble.

Sand

Well unfortunately there are people that are not like you and are not willing to just brush it off. There are people who are just waiting for a chance to start trouble, the march organisers know this and they exploited it. The reason these guys are rioting is nothing to do with unionism or republicanism. Go back to when that anti globalisation march headed towards phoenix park. I remember the pictures of the guys at the front of the crowds that were attacking the police, they werent exactly stereotypical socialist crusaders, celtic jerseys and air max all the way. These guys just like a fight and dont care what the cause is.

There are scumbags of course, but we criminalise scumbags we dont ask them what we are allowed to do and what we are not allowed to do. People have freedoms under our Constitution. If these are threatened by scumbags then we must move to deal with the scumbags, not those who try to exercise their freedoms.

They were highlighting severe problems, those marches were necessary. Todays march was pointless flag waving by a bunch of pricks trying to prove a point.

Youve dodged the issue. By your logic, if the marchers knew violence was likely and they marched anyway then theyre responsible for the violence? Were the victims in Bloody Sunday responsible for the violence that day as well because they organised a march they knew would likely be violent at some point? You dont want to say.

Instead you go on to some marchs being justifiable and some not. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the right to march. You cant simply allow marchs whose aims you agree with. If anything, guaranteed freedom depends on allowing marchs whose aims you dont agree with. The right to disagree. This is something that Provos and Loyalists have difficulties with.

Youve just caught yourself in a moment of doublethink - holding two contradictory views simultaneously. Dont worry about it, happens to everyone at some point.

Either way, todays events have underlined once and for all why a United Ireland would be a disaster. Wed have crap like this every second weekend.

patzer117

Cork wrote:

The investigation is making progress.

Where did the garda or psni say they was no provo involvement?

LOL! I was being sarcastic - of course the IRA were involved. My apologies if i didn't make this clear, I thought the eyes rolling showed my true colours .

The Loyalists had the intention of causing a riot, but the point is it worked, and they proved a point that needed to be proved - the Republican movement is still alive and dangerous

Matt Simis

Interesting (ironic..?) caption to put with this image on BBC News Site:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41375000/jpg/_41375738_bloodedprotesterpacred.jpg
"It is the essence of Irish democracy and republicanism that people are allowed to express their views freely and in a peaceful manner"

The image, for those too lazy to click, is of a Garda bashing heads, baton raised in air and all.
Link to Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4750576.stm



Matt

ReefBreak

The image, for those too lazy to click, is of a Garda bashing heads, baton raised in air and all.

A good Garda doing his job. If I had a baton, I'd have done the same.

"It is the essence of Irish democracy and republicanism that people are allowed to express their views freely and in a peaceful manner"

I'm not sure what side you're defending here. The (Republican or otherwise) Shinner vermin decided that they didn't want certain people " to express their views freely and in a peaceful manner". They used violence to prevent people doing so, and as far as I'm concerning they got what they deserved. If some Celtic-supporting scumbags got their heads cracked, then good - they deserved it.