Republican Riots in O'Connell Street

Cork

DeVore wrote:

I see no compelling reason to vote for any of the SF variants.

The SDLP always displayed leadership in Northern Ireland. SF only offer tribal type politics - banging the old green drum.

The riots in Dublin will not help this country attracting either tourism or foriegn direct investment.

There is CTV on O Connell Street - These rioting idiots should be rounded up and made pay for their damage.

ishmael whale

por wrote:

Good point, regardless of the availability of missiels at hand the people involved would have found things to throw at the gardai no matter where they were

I don't expect skangers to be anything more than skangers. However, I do expect the Gardai to be able to ensure that skangers are not able to stop a lawful political demonstration. That's the item of concern.

If the building works were not there, I'm sure the skangers would have had something else to throw. What was missing was effective policing.

mike65

They were allowed to take a certain route which was agreed with the police and Dublin City Council.

Ireland is a building site at the moment.

Mike.

EireRoadUser

I'm wondering if and how many of the rioters actually came down from the north and are foe of the oranges that came down?

ishmael whale

The emerging view seems to be damn all of the rioters were from the North. I suppose when the details of the Court appearances are printed in the press we'll get confirmation of who exactly was involved.

SeanW

I think the guards did a good job for what they had - I know I was there and there were a whole bunch of bystanders piling up everywhere to get a good gawk at the proceedings. It could have been an even bigger disaster than it was.

It's a miracle, IMO and a credit to the cops on the ground that there were no civilians were seriously injured - OR WORSE.

mike65

I've just googled Dublin Riot and its facinating to see how this is being portrayed around the world - aparently today was something to do with the Marching Season and IRA v Protestants or IRA Supporters attacking Police.

In terms of PR its been a very bad day for 'provisonal republicanism' RSF and skangers hardly get a mention until you read the "local" (here/uk) press

Mike.

REBEL CORK

Three of those arrested today and susequently charged at special court hearing tonight were non-nationals.

is_that_so

REBEL CORK wrote:

Three of those arrested today and susequently charged at special court hearing tonight were non-nationals.

Yes because they broke a window and looted a shop. Took advantage of the situation.

EireRoadUser

I have to say ,the day as a whole and to look back on ,quite sickening.

All the troubles around the world and now we are one of them yet again ,takes us back a bit. Although never thought i'd ever see the muckage i seen today in Dublin today ,or in the future.

Sarsfield

mike65 wrote:

I've just googled Dublin Riot and its facinating to see how this is being portrayed around the world - aparently today was something to do with the Marching Season and IRA v Protestants or IRA Supporters attacking Police.

In terms of PR its been a very bad day for 'provisonal republicanism' RSF and skangers hardly get a mention until you read the "local" (here/uk) press

Mike.

Sky News pretty much went for the IRA v Protestant option Suggested it was simply Republican v Loyalist. I'm guessing their reporter must have been too scared to go and have a look at the actual riot!

It didn't get a mention on BBC 10:15 news. It's pretty much a non-event outside Ireland.

Charlie Bird got attacked and labelled an Orange bastered by those who thumped him. He was interviewed on RTÉ. And he managed to report from Iraq without sustaining a scratch!

ateam

lol i don't think Charlie went to Iraq...well during the war, maybe after.

SeanW

is_that_so wrote:

Yes because they broke a window and looted a shop. Took advantage of the situation.

That's likely what happened, after all how many "non-nationals" have a deep hatred of Orangemen?

Hydroquinone

REBEL CORK wrote:

Three of those arrested today and susequently charged at special court hearing tonight were non-nationals.

Where were they from?

Manic Moran

Looking at the footage, can anyone tell me.. Is it an unwritten law that any protest against anything must involve someone with a Palestinian flag? I'm trying to figure out the correlation, but I'm not getting it.

NTM

is_that_so

Hydroquinone wrote:

Where were they from?

Lithuania

Hydroquinone

Lithuania? Bloody hell.
Not alone do we grow our own scumbags, but we are importing them too.

That's going to help the old race relations no end, isn't it?

EireRoadUser

Lmao ,nice one
Those images made it look like the floods in the states.

neilled

I was there on O'Connell street today. I work in dublin city centre and took with me my camera in order to photography what i though was going to be an intersting day - regardless of what happened. I was hoping for a few shots of the marchers going past the GPO. Anyway i made my way down towards parnell square where i witness what can only be described as criminal behaviour. The rioters were well organised, coming prepared with glass bottles and fireworks. This was well orchastrated. I continued to take pictures as the events unfolded. I was approached on a number of occassions and half heartedly slapped at bya few rioters. However a few minutes latters i was approached by another one of these "republicans that had been busy shouting slogans". He demanded i give him the camera or put it in my jacket. I stared at him and he attemted to grab it. He and another then demanded i hand over "the film" to him, again i refused and said absolutely noting. Perhaps because i'm of an asian background they assumed i didn't have a clue as to what they were saying and when i turned and walked off they made no attempt to follow me.

The riots are an event that gave FAIR exactly what they wanted and have sullied the name of the people of ireland and dublin.

The rioters today were vermin.

flogen

Manic Moran wrote:

Looking at the footage, can anyone tell me.. Is it an unwritten law that any protest against anything must involve someone with a Palestinian flag? I'm trying to figure out the correlation, but I'm not getting it.

NTM

I'm guessing it's that the Palestinians have an invader on what was their land, and these protesters feel that's similar to the Northern situation.

If only these scumbags had to put up with what people in Israel and Palestine do every day, they might realise just how fúcking lucky there are; jesus, by the sound of reports most of these people are too young to remember even the remotely bad times on this Island, some of them were probably just babys when the Omagh bomb went off.

I'm sick of the word Republican being tied to these people, or any violent group for that matter; I'd consider myself a republican but I don't support the IRA, Sinn Fein or any of that horseshít; I support my Republic and the principles it was founded on (including a United Ireland, but only through popular consent, not force, what difference would that be to what the British did to Ireland all those years back?)

metrovelvet

I find it both intriguing and disurbing that the criticisms of the rioters here are far more severe than those of the vandals/murderers who protested the danish cartoon. I would imagine that the same people who pinned the blame on the cartoonist for being insensitive would also pin the blame on the protestors for the deeds of the rioters.

As for me, well, when I attend the NYS governers St. Patricks Day Luncheon, I will certainly have a word with my fellow diaspora about sending anymore money over to this crap. I have already written to all of my senators and the White House requesting that Gerry Adams be denied a visa, which I believe he has been. Another small victory for common sense.:)

But on a sidenote - O'Connell Street bears a kind of showcase to war and violence no?

MM - The corellary between Ireland and the ME has been fascinating me recently on a number of levels. Think a bit more and the Palestinian connection is not so weird.

The_Minister

Please clarify. Some people on the radio said SF called the riot. Others said SF wanted it ignored

neilled

Republican SF organised the protest and in my eyes the rioting. They are a different outfit to Gerry, Martin and Co.

Gerry and Martins followers I am told, were told explicitily not to be involved with the protest. That doesnt mean to say that Sinn Fein supporters were not in the crowd but i believe the party as such was not involved in the organisation of the days events.

Does that help?

I took pics whilst in the mob, will post them on request.

stepbar

Did ne 1 see Sean Crowe (Sinn Fein / IRA TD) being asked for comment on RTE? That guy f***kin sickens me. "No Sinn Fein members were involved" Really now Sean?????? Aye just like when Robert McCartney was shot there was none about either.... Well Sean the party members mightened have been seen running down O'Connell Street but the supporters made up for their presence well enough. A lot of these so called Sinn Fein / IRA supporters are nothin more than sympathisers trying to act like f***kin hard men. Pathetic. They'd no more about Irish history than a rat running up O'Connell Street. Nows the time for Bertie and Tony to get tough. No BS taken.
It will be interesting to hear comment from the rest of the Sinn Fein / IRA contingent over the next days and weeks.

history_buff

Benedict XVI wrote:

Republican SF organized a counter protest to the Love Ulster one, they are probably responsible for this kicking off

What is it with Republicans that they will not accept the other point of view, let the loyalists have their march and go home, just ignore them.

I was at the riots, not involved of course, as this is playing directly into the Orange Order's hands.

I am a traditionalist Republican, and I have to say that I am ashamed that the media are pinning today's riots on "nationalists", which is the word they are taking great care to use.

Those I saw at the disturbances were black-flag anarchists, extreme socialists, football hooligan-type scangers, and, from what I hear on the radio, foreign nationals.

By the time it got to Nassau Street, the "riot" had degenerated into a rampage by scangers in Celtic jerseys.

But, the Orange Order, McDowell and the "powers that be" will attempt to pin this as yet another evil caused and facilitated by nationalism, when nothing could be further from the truth.

As for Republican Sinn Féin, they did not start the riots. They provided a counter-demo, which was hijacked by more unstable (left-wing) elements and pure thugs.

All in all, a successful day for the Loyalists. They didn't have to move one metre, and their victory was assured - a victory which earned them a nice congratulatory handshake from West Brit McDowell.

lostexpectation

so they got to a little drum banging infront of the dail anyway, and its says in the papers that mcdowell had to meet fraziar in berkely hotel in lansdowne

Nuttzz

If this was a football match

unionists 1 (RSF og 01mins) - Republicans 0


fecking morons dressed up in "my" flag without understanding of it meaning....

spanner

ReefBreak wrote:

Put their photos on the paper. Name and shame them.

do you think they really gonna be shamed by that. These lads where mainly all from the north inner city for years they have been living on the marginals of society, and as long as it involve a punch up with the gardai(republican protests, reclaim the streets, anti globalisation) they will be on the front line. I not even gonna bother condeming it, We might as well be talking to the back wall.
Sinn Fein member would be to cute to get involve in that, they know they have to clean up their act in the south so they wont be involved in anything like that.

county

has the rev ian paisley made any comment yet?

HelterSkelter

Call me a cynic but...

- why were the weapons (bricks, poles, etc) left in O'Connell Street?
- why were there so few riot cops?
- why were the "protestors" allowed take control of much of the city centre for up to three hours?
- why were they not contained in O'Connell Street?
- why were the army not sent in?
- why was the march allowed happen at all?

With Sinn Fein's popularity growing in the Republic this will cost them votes. People who might have been fooled by the Sinn Fein PR machine will think twice when they see the photos in the papers tomorrow.

Bertie & co must be very happy about that.