Bushy Park Skatpark!!!

zippo22

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

ALL graffiti artists are vandals...? Isn't that a bit like say that ALL muslims are terrorists? Or ALL Irish are alcoholics?

Don't be so childish !

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I know plenty of people who call themselves graffiti artists and do not deface public property. They either paint areas where it's welcome such as skateparks, youth clubs or bars (yes, bars: there's one called Techeles in Berlin - I'll post the photos if you think I'm joking) or paint onto giant sheets, which are then either hung on indoor walls or framed. There are two pieces of graffitti inspired art at the Kilmacud Luas Station. Again, photos can be provided upon request

There is a big difference between someone who writes 'Joe Woxz Here' or 'Sid 4 Emma' on a bus shelter and someone who uses colour, shape and graphic form to create an personalised image. And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?

May I recommend you do a little reseach before you generalise in future. How does NOT generalising and keeping an open mind make me childish?

zippo22

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

I know plenty of people who call themselves graffiti artists and do not deface public property. They either paint areas where it's welcome such as skateparks, youth clubs or bars (yes, bars: there's one called Techeles in Berlin - I'll post the photos if you think I'm joking) or paint onto giant sheets, which are then either hung on indoor walls or framed. There are two pieces of graffitti inspired art at the Kilmacud Luas Station. Again, photos can be provided upon request

There is a big difference between someone who writes 'Joe Woxz Here' or 'Sid 4 Emma' on a bus shelter and someone who uses colour, shape and graphic form to create an personalised image. And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?

May I recommend you do a little reseach before you generalise in future. How does NOT generalising and keeping an open mind make me childish?

I'll tell you why you were being childish. First of all I was referring to morons who go about spraying their paint uninvited on both public and private property. You were being childish and pedantic because you were responding to my post and KNEW who and WHAT I was referring to. You haven't the open mind you would have us think you have. Don't bother sending me any photos unless you have any of YOUR home and property spray painted by "artists".
(By the way, who made you the arbiter of what Art is ? Is it only art if YOU approve of the colour and shape of a painting ?. "And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?" you say. That's all music and theatre , literature and poetry dismissed by you then.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

zippo22 wrote:

I'll tell you why you were being childish. First of all I was referring to morons who go about spraying their paint uninvited on both public and private property. You were being childish and pedantic because you were responding to my post and KNEW who and WHAT I was referring to. You haven't the open mind you would have us think you have. Don't bother sending me any photos unless you have any of YOUR home and property spray painted by "artists".
(By the way, who made you the arbiter of what Art is ? Is it only art if YOU approve of the colour and shape of a painting ?. "And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?" you say. That's all music and theatre , literature and poetry dismissed by you then.

Fristly, my apologies if I misunderstood you. But condiering you wrote:

Graffiti artists my arse. They're just vandals and nothing else

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in this thread, and this:

Any scum I catch taggin' my property or the property of my neighbours will SUFFER for their "art" !

here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=274377&page=2

i think you've made your point very clear.

As regards art, of course art is a lot more than just visual communication, but in terms of this discussion, I was referring to just the visual aspects.

I am no arbiter of art, and never claimed to be. I merely state that graffiti artists use shape form and colour as a from of expression which is factually correct. Where did I imply that it requires my approval?

zippo22

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

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There is a big difference between someone who writes 'Joe Woxz Here' or 'Sid 4 Emma' on a bus shelter and someone who uses colour, shape and graphic form to create an personalised image. And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?

There is NO difference between somebody that writes " Joe woz here " and somebody who sprays public or private property (however good their draughtsmanship) without authority. They are all vandals. You say you know a lot of graffiti artists well why not commission them to daub your home. And treat your neighbours as well. Those graffiti merchants are scum who coarsen and degrade every neighbourhood they enter. All to satisfy their over inflated egos.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

...which brings us full circle! You say ALL graffiti artists are vandals, which is generalisation, which is the same thing as saying, for example, ALL Irish drinkers are acloholics ALL muslims are terrorists!!

Surely the chidish one is the one who throws his toys out of the pram at everyone in ignorance, with conplete disregard for who he hits or misses?

zippo22

zippo22 wrote:

There is NO difference between somebody that writes " Joe woz here " and somebody who sprays public or private property (however good their draughtsmanship) without authority. They are all vandals. You say you know a lot of graffiti artists well why not commission them to daub your home. And treat your neighbours as well. Those graffiti merchants are scum who coarsen and degrade every neighbourhood they enter. All to satisfy their over inflated egos.

Have another look. Anybody who sprays paint on public or private property WITHOUT AUTHORITY !. Explain to me what "artistic right" these scum have to vandalise my property or public property whenever they choose . Answer me this, (A) Is there any graffiti daubed on your home ?
(B) If yes, did you request it and did you get to choose what's
there?
(c) If no, why not and are you planning on some in the near future ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

zippo22 wrote:

Have another look. Anybody who sprays paint on public or private property WITHOUT AUTHORITY !. Explain to me what "artistic right" these scum have to vandalise my property or public property whenever they choose . Answer me this, (A) Is there any graffiti daubed on your home ?
(B) If yes, did you request it and did you get to choose what's
there?
(c) If no, why not and are you planning on some in the near future ?

Fair enough, I misread - but do you accept that WITH authortiy (as per my initial statement) it's not vandalism? And, considering the effort and expressiveness that goes into it, artisic - even though you may not like it (which is your right)?

I'm not talking about your situation. Your situation sounds like out and out vandalism and I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is you turning around and blaming EVERYONE and claiming there's no different.

In answer to your questions
1) No.
2) Not releveant. But if I did, I'd know the difference between a vandal and an artist. And, should I persue the matter, would hold the guilty party responsible, NOT everyone who's ever picked up a spray can.
3) Would love to have some done, but don't own the property.

Chopperdog

Lads, this Graffiti argument is going on over in After Hours.
It is worth a read if for nothing else to see that snivelling ponce FX totally two face himself with an arguement here condemning it and applauding it on the other forum.
God help him, the poor gob****e doesn't seem to know his arse from his elbow and is more to be pitied than talked about.....

skate4evr

Here, have any of you been to Drogheda? Near the skateshop "Skatewell" there, theirs this bridge, and you shold see the mural underneath it! it's amazing! The council actually payed grafitti artists to do it! Here, if any of you get the chance, you should seriosuly go see it! It's really impressive

FX Meister

skate4evr wrote:

Here, have any of you been to Drogheda? Near the skateshop "Skatewell" there, theirs this bridge, and you shold see the mural underneath it! it's amazing! The council actually payed grafitti artists to do it! Here, if any of you get the chance, you should seriosuly go see it! It's really impressive

No the council didn't pay them to do it. They get a small grant from the Arts Council and they get sponsorship from various companies. Coca Cola and Carhart for example.

FX Meister

Chopperdog wrote:

Lads, this Graffiti argument is going on over in After Hours.
It is worth a read if for nothing else to see that snivelling ponce FX totally two face himself with an arguement here condemning it and applauding it on the other forum.
God help him, the poor gob****e doesn't seem to know his arse from his elbow and is more to be pitied than talked about.....

No need to resort to name calling dude, it just bringing your ignorance to the surface for us all to see. I never applauded graffiti in the other forum. You obviously didn't read my posts very well. Perhaps you just skimmed over the thread and just took in some general points and names along the way and based you misinformed opinion on that.

FX Meister

wideangle wrote:

You caught him red handed there Shagman.:eek:

Maybe point the finger at Shagman who used to make a living from these vandals and their work. And don't give me any of that legal walls crap. It's a similar argument gun dealers use when they sell sub machine guns.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FX Meister wrote:

And don't give me any of that legal walls crap. It's a similar argument gun dealers use when they sell sub machine guns.

Care to clarify?

And I refer you to post no. 33 above as regards 'that legal walls crap'. same offer of photographic evidence on offer.

skate4evr

still though, the mural under that bridge is pretty damn cool!

FX Meister

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Care to clarify?

And I refer you to post no. 33 above as regards 'that legal walls crap'. same offer of photographic evidence on offer.

Shagman sold paint to young kids with the full knowledge that they were using them to vandalise the city. He even put the pictures of it on display in his shop.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I see..... well, with no idea of who shagman is or what he was doing/intening to do, I can't really comment.

HusseinSarhan

shagman wrote:

bringing works of art to the drab mundanity of inner city architecture is to be applauded.

Right:

http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/1067/11379/t/47649-Architecture-0.jpg
http://www.architecture.com/imageLibrary/jpeg330/5884.jpg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~billybrady/photos/dub-lamps/gaiety-lamp.jpg
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/southcity/college_green/images/bankofireland_east_portico_lge.jpg
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/seminars/IrishStudies/Bank_of_Ireland.jpg
http://www.tcd.ie/Maps/buildings/gmb3.jpg
http://rosie.bloged.co.uk/albums/dublin/27_Christ_Church_Dublin.jpg
http://www.stadtbus2.de/magazin/irland/be_busaras_1.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/09/12/MillenniumWing_Ireland3.jpg
http://www.xcommunications.ie/images/building.jpg
http://www.lightdrawing.com/images/travel/Ireland/large/Custom_House_full_moon.jpg
http://www.visithotels.com/admin/pictures/FFFFDA48-9E03-4CEE-B48A-633684E3B553.jpg
http://www.conscanlon.com/res/DUBLIN7a.jpg
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/dublin%20castle%201.JPG
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/pub%20in%20dublin.JPG
http://www.interconnection-europe.com/photolarge/dublin/dublin4.jpg
http://www.hughpearman.com/illustrations/dublin6.gif

Ireland has a great capital architecturaly.

Anyway, architecture is an artform. By defacing it you are in some way altering the work of the architect. It's like tagging an oil painting. Without prior permission it's selfish. Being artists themselves, graffiti artists should realise this. What does it feel like when someone covers up something that you deliberated and slaved over?

There are ugly areas of Dublin city too, but what right does an individual have to tag a public area? Does it really make a difference if the quality is high or low if it is criminal anyway? It is illegal, and of course it should remain so. Why should we make it legal for certain people to deface the art of others?

Personally I think some graffiti is great, but 99% of it is clichéd hack that is just people mimicing others. still, this makes no real odds and can apply to many art forms! Having areas set aside for it is probably the best solution; the only reasonable solution.

I have seen some historically important architecture tagged recently. It doesn't matter how good it is, it still detracts from it, and deteriorates what we have left.

shagman

As this thread has gone way off topic I thought I'd start a new thread here...http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51119996#post51119996

Can we get back to the topic bushy park skatepark.
I may have an update on the situation shortly.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

HusseinSarhan wrote:

Right:

http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/1067/11379/t/47649-Architecture-0.jpg
http://www.architecture.com/imageLibrary/jpeg330/5884.jpg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~billybrady/photos/dub-lamps/gaiety-lamp.jpg
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/southcity/college_green/images/bankofireland_east_portico_lge.jpg
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/seminars/IrishStudies/Bank_of_Ireland.jpg
http://www.tcd.ie/Maps/buildings/gmb3.jpg
http://rosie.bloged.co.uk/albums/dublin/27_Christ_Church_Dublin.jpg
http://www.stadtbus2.de/magazin/irland/be_busaras_1.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/09/12/MillenniumWing_Ireland3.jpg
http://www.xcommunications.ie/images/building.jpg
http://www.lightdrawing.com/images/travel/Ireland/large/Custom_House_full_moon.jpg
http://www.visithotels.com/admin/pictures/FFFFDA48-9E03-4CEE-B48A-633684E3B553.jpg
http://www.conscanlon.com/res/DUBLIN7a.jpg
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/dublin%20castle%201.JPG
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/pub%20in%20dublin.JPG
http://www.interconnection-europe.com/photolarge/dublin/dublin4.jpg
http://www.hughpearman.com/illustrations/dublin6.gif

Ireland has a great capital architecturaly.

Anyway, architecture is an artform. By defacing it you are in some way altering the work of the architect. It's like tagging an oil painting. Without prior permission it's selfish. Being artists themselves, graffiti artists should realise this. What does it feel like when someone covers up something that you deliberated and slaved over?

There are ugly areas of Dublin city too, but what right does an individual have to tag a public area? Does it really make a difference if the quality is high or low if it is criminal anyway? It is illegal, and of course it should remain so. Why should we make it legal for certain people to deface the art of others?

Personally I think some graffiti is great, but 99% of it is clichéd hack that is just people mimicing others. still, this makes no real odds and can apply to many art forms! Having areas set aside for it is probably the best solution; the only reasonable solution.

I have seen some historically important architecture tagged recently. It doesn't matter how good it is, it still detracts from it, and deteriorates what we have left.

Replied to on new thread.

Getting back on track, is it possibly to take photographs at these skateparks? I'm into photography and took some fantastic shots of skateboards in Denamrk, which unfortunately got deleted when my PC crashed.

f

ahh, wat the feck just happened , grafitti has nothing to do with extreme sports and hopefully never will , unless its done legally. u cant associate grafitii with extreme sports just cos its near skateparks etc. mabe it just happens that skateparks have perfect walls and suufaces to paint on . now back to bushy skatepark . go somewhere else if you wish to speak about the validity of grafitti , not here , jesus

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

We did.

HusseinSarhan

You're right. But someone mentioned it and they deserve be answered. It is sort of related to the park because it's got to do with peoples' perceptions of what the park entails. It'd be foolish to think the two necessarily go hand in hand. I think the park is long overdue, good idea.

skate4evr

yup, skateparks are good