Mick McCarthy Sacked by Sunderland

cruiserweight

Just saw it on the bbc web site

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/4778496.stm

county

just seen it on sky,crazy imo,whats the point in sacking at this late stage of the season,they are totally fcuked now

Bluetonic

Theres a turn up for the books.

p.pete

IMHO Sunderland shot themselves in the foot last summer when they acquired a pretty much new team of players after they got promotion. The wise thing to do is build on what you have, get one or two quality players in if possible and try to progress from there. They started from scratch and with very little resources and they've been whipping boys ever since.

Sad for Mick, he's a good guy and genuine but the club isn't in a good state and I wouldn't expect them to be bouncing straight back up...

tred

p.pete wrote:

IMHO Sunderland shot themselves in the foot last summer when they acquired a pretty much new team of players after they got promotion. The wise thing to do is build on what you have, get one or two quality players in if possible and try to progress from there. They started from scratch and with very little resources and they've been whipping boys ever since.

Sad for Mick, he's a good guy and genuine but the club isn't in a good state and I wouldn't expect them to be bouncing straight back up...

WestHam spent more on one player than sunderland spent on the squad. bad move by sunderland. I gaurantee theyll go straight down to division 2. He did a good job there last year, consdering what he had to spend. Maybe Mick will get a club with a few pound in the kitty. I still dont know why he always player Breen

Nuttzz

What is the point of doing it now? They should have changed manager during the transfer window, can you see anyone of note taking over while they have to work with the existing squad only?

cournioni

Two words... Ha Ha.

dbnavan

They only have themselves to blame should have done it last November and given someone time to revive the club, too late now.

Nalz

county wrote:

they are totally fcuked now

In fairness, they already were a fúcked. He went for quantity rather than quality with his signings and it backfired on him drastically. I never really took to him for some reason, and I dont think we'll see Sunderland in the premiership for a long time after this season

threebeards

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Two words... Ha Ha.

My sentiments exactly!!

eirebhoy

Trilla wrote:

He went for quantity rather than quality with his signings and it backfired on him drastically.

He spent a total of £4m. You won't get much quality for that.

Pigman II

I'm a fan of Mick from his Ireland-manager days but I think it was probably a fair sacking. Sunderland seemed to have some decent players but couldn't do the simple things such as "kick the ball into row z" or "don't go 2-0 down in the first 10 minutes" and that I'm afraid rests with the manager.

I think the players themselves had thrown in the towel a long time ago too. For example WTF was Breen doing yesterday playing volleyball? Almost as tho he couldn't bare another second out on the pitch. If your captains doing stuff like that then you really don't have a chance.

dirkey_wynne

I'm delighted. I think he's a (better not say or I'll get banned) and a not very good manager. Bye bye, delighted.

zAbbo

Aren't Sunderland still in debt to around 40-50 million, not much Mick could do with getting new players in, and was forced to sell half the team, and go for quantity.

They came 3rd in the Championship the year before last, and won it last year by a good bit.

emc2

Can I suggest Mick for the Newcastle job????

Chardee MacDennis

brian kerr for sunderland!!! ha!

Kojak

If they were going to sack him they should have done it 3 or 4 months ago - it doesn't matter now anyways, they are going to get relegated on way or anoyher.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Nice to see some bitter Roy Keane fans still about..

Well shame that he has gone, I do not think there could have been too many done much better with the resources available to him. Won the league then had to sell a bundle of players and could only use some of the proceeds to buy more. That Arca looks a good buy, shame about the injuries.

Lemlin

I don't see how anyone could slagg off Mick's achievements at Sunderland. Just winning the First Division with them was a miracle. I hope he gets the praise he deserves and moves onto a bigger club.

Davei141

Lemlin wrote:

I don't see how anyone could slagg off Mick's achievements at Sunderland. Just winning the First Division with them was a miracle. I hope he gets the praise he deserves and moves onto a bigger club.

My sentiments exactly, he'll be plying his trade at a better club than sunderland soon.

FrankGrimes

there's plenty of teams out there with worse resources than Sunderland that manage to raise their game and beat Premiership opposition in the cups. Mick won what, 2 of about 36 games in the Premiership? Regardless of what resources available, a better manager would be able to create a bit of team spirit that lets them get it together on the odd occassion to win a few more games than that. The fact that he couldn't, and combined with the total capitulation his players showed so often, to me says that Mick has been found out for what he is - a good Championship manager who is out of his depth in the Premiership.

Jonny Arson

To be fair to Mick....

- he did an amazing job last season to take what I'd describe as a very average 1st division team up last season
- he recieved inadequate transfer funds during the summer by Premiership standards. Sunderland were always going to go straight back down because of this.

however...

- the signings he made were poor. I quality in good managers is to buy decent players on limited funds (e.g. Allardyce @ Bolton), McCarthy couldn't do this.
- 10 points from 28 games is simply atrocious no matter how bad their squad is. Yeah their squad isn't great but it isn't that utterly diabolical to lose 22 games.

I personally feel they made the right decision in the end as I don't believe McCarthy would have taken the team any further even in the Championship. However, his sacking came 3 months too late for Sunderland so an equal part of the blame must fall on the board.

yop

The book has to stop with him, that has to be one of the worst performances by a team in the PL, he a very low standard manager who can only do well with Div 1 teams.

Hopefully Sky will get him a job now and replace that muppet Quinn

gracehopper

yop wrote:

Hopefully Sky will get him a job now and replace that muppet Quinn

What? and listen to that dodgy Barnsley accent.

The board have to take some of the blame for not sacking him earlier. It was plain to see in some of his interviews that he was disillusioned with the job. That Sunderland squad are a sorry lot and this was reflected by the lack of supporters at home games. I dont think he's a bad manager but he's not great either.I'll never forget when Ireland had Spain on the ropes in the WC and spain had 10 men and Mick done nothing to try and gain an advantage. He had that look in his eye as if he wanted the match to be over. He's had that same look in his eye the last few months

TwistsAndTurns

emc2 wrote:

Can I suggest Mick for the Newcastle job????

Should be thinking bigger the England job is coming up.

Not nice seen one of our own being sacked but results speak for themselves.

tred

Davei141 wrote:

My sentiments exactly, he'll be plying his trade at a better club than sunderland soon.

Agreed. I see the players werent happy today. Id blame the chairman. They havent a bean, and yet the dump the man that might bring them up again.
Id be well surprised if we see them in premier league for a while again. And t wouldnt be blaming mccarthy for that. I think behind the scenes they werent willing to spend, incase they went bust. Anyone here who says the had same budget as westham and wigan is talking cr*p..

Necronomicon

It was inevitable really, I know there's a lot of sympathy for Mick out there but you can't really argue the sacking when you look at the season. The bigger question mark is over the timing. Why do it now? At the very worst, Mick still commanded a lot of respect in the dressing room, and gave it all in every game. They could have at least played out the remainder of the season in a bit of fighting spirit and dignity, but this sacking could only have demoralised the players as well.
While a lot of people will remember the dismal Premiership terms he had, you can't discount his achievements with the team. They got relegated as, officially, the worst team in the league's history. When they went down, they lost a lot of players and Mick didn't have a lot to work with, but turned them into promotion contenders straight away in their first season back down. I remember they narrowly missed out on promotion back to the Prem straight away in the play-offs, after which he had to sell 5 or 6 members of the squad. They bounced back even stronger, and won the Championship last season by a distance.
It's hard to see where the good times are ahead for Sunderland, the fans are already lobbying for the ousting of the chairman, and you'd expect them to be robbed of at least a few of their only bright-sparks like Arca, Lawrence, Whitehead and Elliott.

mike65

The chairman is one of those tossers who think buying the local footie club means they have power and influence in a town/city. He runs it as an expensive hobby when we all know fooball is a very expensive hobby!

Mike.

ps maybe the board looked at Newcastle since Souness went!

The Muppet

You can't really blame Sunderland for sacking him as nmanagers live and die by their results and Micks results this season have been abysmal. I dont rate him as a a manger which admittedly is an opinion clouded by his poor management is Saipan. I feeel he is a decent first division Manager but lacks the skills necessary to be sucessful at a higher level.

On the plus side his team look like being record breakers this season breaking their own record for the lowest number of points ever obtained in a season.;)

Davey Devil

Mick was a victim of his own success. If he had placed mid table in The Championship two seasons in a row he'd still be in a job.

He was on a hiding to nothing with the resources available. Sunderland's board are a disgrace and if they remain they will run the club into the ground.

cournioni

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Nice to see some bitter Roy Keane fans still about..

Well shame that he has gone, I do not think there could have been too many done much better with the resources available to him. Won the league then had to sell a bundle of players and could only use some of the proceeds to buy more. That Arca looks a good buy, shame about the injuries.

McCarthy is a great manager. The table tells its own story.

Personally, I wanted him to stay on as manager of Sunderland as I am going to see the United vs. Sunderland game in April. It would have been fun watching United slaughter them, but now it looks like it will be a closer game. Too bad that, really.

Davei141

Yeah the fact he brought us to the world cup tells its own story, bloody keane groupies.

Big Nelly

emc2 wrote:

Can I suggest Mick for the Newcastle job????

Would do a better job than Souness did! never really liked Mick but after the Denmark game wasnt impressed with him at all and was glad he was sacked as Irish manager but I think he done great things at Sunderland. Getting to an FA Cup semi final and the play-offs in first season and then getting promoted and winning the Championship the next year with little to no money was a great achievement by him. The chairman at Sunderland ius the biggest gobs**t I have seen in a long time, he is bringing the club down constantly with his stupidity, Mick should never have been sacked because it wasnt his fault, it was the chairmans fault for puttin the club into so much dept! first of all he gives 10 million or so to Reid, 2-3 games later sacks him, bring in Wilkinson who was useless and then sacks him to bring in Mick who did a brillant job, remember when they where relagated they lost something like 20-25 players and had no money to buy new players.

Mick will get a new job and hopefully this time will be with a decent chairman!

cournioni

Davei141 wrote:

Yeah the fact he brought us to the world cup tells its own story, bloody keane groupies.

Did he? He also failed to qualify twice ('98 and '00) with some of Ireland's best players ever. You could have put Ian Paisley in charge of Ireland for that period of time with those players and he would have qualified for a world cup.

The Muppet

Davei141 wrote:

Yeah the fact he brought us to the world cup tells its own story, bloody keane groupies.

His is very limited as a manager as they say the League table doesn't lie. Compare Sunderlands position with West Ham And Wigan and you will see with good management teams that come up need not be cannon fodder in the premiership.

Big Nelly

The Muppet wrote:

His is very limited as a manager as they say the League table doesn't lie. Compare Sunderlands position with West Ham And Wigan and you will see with good management teams that come up need not be cannon fodder in the premiership.

Well Wigan had bucket loads fo cash thrown at them over the last few years so you can't really use them as a reference. They already had a top quality squad in the Championship with alot of PL quality players.

Sunderland had stripped there squad in 2 pre-season and had brought in player for little or no cash in those 2 season in the Championship, this meant Mick had to change the way Sunderland played because he hadnt the players to play the nice silky footie, again last preseason he lost 10-15 players and needed to buy alot of players to replace this to have a squad capably of playing in the PL, alot of these player where very good in the Championship and some of the top players in there position outside the PL but they just havent made the set up to the PL. I dont think this is Mick fault, if they went back down I am sure that Sunderland squad if kept together would walk the championship and the players would be more ready for the PL next time

West Ham where better setup for the PL, they had so many problem in the Championship becasue they played a PL game of pass and movement so when they did get back up they didnt need to change there style of play., The players they brough in from the Championship have made the step up without a problem and there good youth system helped alot here.

Pigman II

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Did he? He also failed to qualify twice ('98 and '00) with some of Ireland's best players ever.

How'd dya work that one out? Take the teams he used for the 98 quals. Mostly made up of players on the way up and players on the way out. Not many there that were established or really in the peak of their career at the time. Same again for Euro 2000 to a lesser extent. They may have been some of 'Irelands best players' but Shay Given at 21 wasn't Shay Given at 30 and Andy Townsend at 35 wasn't Andy Townsend at 27.

From my own observations I believe most of the people who have a bad report card on Micks Ireland days do so not because of his results but do so purely so because of Saipan and thats unfortunate because imho he (like Charlton ) made Ireland overachievers during his 6 years, so for anyone to say otherwise just betrays ignorance and/or bais of whomever takes that pov.

Big Nelly

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Did he? He also failed to qualify twice ('98 and '00) with some of Ireland's best players ever. You could have put Ian Paisley in charge of Ireland for that period of time with those players and he would have qualified for a world cup.

Think Kerr had a better squad with Keane back in than Mick ever had, Mick had players like McAteer to base the team around, Kerr had Duff, Reid, Roy and Robbie Keane, Cunningham, Finnan, Given(alot better now after World Cup, season before World Cup was his first really top season)

im not a great fan or anything of Mick but I dont think he deserved the sack from Sunderland

Rikand

Big Nelly wrote:

I dont think he deserved the sack from Sunderland

i totally agree...hes been getting jerked around every season since he took over, and still managed to do really well to get sunderland promoted. But to surivive in the premiership, everyone needs to be on board: players, manager and the board, and tbh, the board and chairman simply werent with it. you want to survive in the premiership, you've gotta to put the money and effort in and the chairman simpley wasnt/isnt doing it. I feel sorry for the next guy that takes over and i wish mick every success in the future, he should be well able to land himself a nice job somewhere, sooner rather than later i would imagine