Frank Lampard and Chelsea found out

shepthedog

Frank lampard is an outstanding goalscoring midfielder and this thread is absolutely crazy.. One bad match, which he wasnt fit for and hes suddenly a bad player.. Get real.. The facts speak for themselves, Lampard has 14 goals in Premiership so far this season, no other midfielder is anywhere near that. and he is only behind Van Nist and Henry.. So please, saying he isnt an gr8 player is rubbish.. In case ppl think this is bias, I'm a Man U fan.

The Clown Man

Where the hell is everyone getting this notion that one goal was going to seal it for Barca?

Was it because that fuking muppet Ronnie Whelan with all of his 50 IQ points decided it in the TV3 commentary? The first goal for Barca was a mere annoyance. It changed nothing.


The fact that Chelsea couldn't score 2 with possibly the most attacking team we have seen under Mourinho against a well structured Barca defence was what lost it.

As far as I can make out Mourinho was afraid to let the full backs Gallas and Ferreira move forward and support the wings in the usual fashion because of the attacking prowess of the Barca forward players. Understandable I feel. So he played his 3 most attacking players and his donkey up front on their own to see if they could nab something.

Lampard was ordered to stay back and feed if possible and support what was trying to be a damned miserly defence. He didnt have a good game because he was playing in a pure defensive-midfield role. And his game is of course an attacking one. The fact that he could actually fulfill the defensive role was enough for Mourinho and so that is where he had to play.

Had he been fit, it would have been Essien and Maka holding and Robben left, Lampard cetre behind and Duff on the bench.

What Mourinho got wrong is that there was not enough in midfield to build on. Robben was never going to be able to pick up balls in midfield and drive forward. Lampard and Maka couldn't go forward so it was left to the 3 creative players to sort attacks themselves. However, they are used to breaking with balls fed to them. Ask them to feed and they get lost.

[cut] The Chase [/cut]

The result was a load of balls pushed forward to be sometimes picked up by the attacking 3 and the odd time the donkey and then wasted in an effort to do something special. The creative three were held brilliantly by the Barca back 4 who didnt move from defence the whole night. The fact that Motta had a great game helped too.

Chelsea lacked any feed from midfield. In fact, there was no midfield. You could say it was a 6-0-4.

Lampard could not turn the game because he was a defender for the day. He could not leave his defence because they were so scared of the Barca forwards getting into the game.


Ok this was longer than intended - the last 2 paragraphs are for you lazy people.

KdjaCL

Superdub2 warned.

Superdub2

shepthedog wrote:

Frank lampard is an outstanding goalscoring midfielder and this thread is absolutely crazy.. One bad match, which he wasnt fit for and hes suddenly a bad player.. Get real.. The facts speak for themselves, Lampard has 14 goals in Premiership so far this season, no other midfielder is anywhere near that. and he is only behind Van Nist and Henry.. So please, saying he isnt an gr8 player is rubbish.. In case ppl think this is bias, I'm a Man U fan.

The facts speak for themselves, i didnt know scoring goals were the acid test of a great player? Darren Bent has 13 playing for a mediocre team so does that make him a world class player??? so you will say he is a striker, Lampard has the freedom of a striker as their midfield is packed for every game and he can do what he wants
So Frank Lampard scored 14 goals which makes him a world class player! thats a ridiculous statement. i already said he is the best goalscoring midfielder in the premiership and one of the best in the world but as a midfielder as a whole he is very limited. You are forgettin he plays for the champions and the best team in england so maybe that also has an impact on his goals???

Also my opinion is not based on one game, its based on seeing him play for several seasons and i dont have anything against him.

i dont think your opinion is bias, just a difference of opinion. I mean, how many chelsea fans are there out there??

OTliddy

PHB wrote:

First off, England have the following players who are techincally some of the best in the world in their positions:

Ashley Cole
Rio Ferdinand
David Beckham
Michael Owen
Wayne Rooney

IMO Gerrard and Rooney are England's 2 main driving forces. While the others mentioned are among the best in the world in their positions, Gerrard and Rooney are perhaps the best. There are alot of amazing strikers out there(Henry, Shevchenko, Eto etc etc...) so on current form Rooney isn't the best, but I think come Germany 2006 he will.

KdjaCL

OTliddy wrote:

IMO Gerrard and Rooney are England's 2 main driving forces. While the others mentioned are among the best in the world in their positions, Gerrard and Rooney are perhaps the best. There are alot of amazing strikers out there(Henry, Shevchenko, Eto etc etc...) so on current form Rooney isn't the best, but I think come Germany 2006 he will.

When has Gerrard won a game or even had a good game for England?

Beckham and Rooney and Owen and Robinson and Neville would be there best players who perform in every england game.


kdjac

besty

iregk wrote:

I'm not claiming Lampard is the all conquering god of world football. Plenty of Chelsea games I have seen this year where they have been poor he has dropped back, got on the ball and drove it through midfield. If he doesn't do any of this and only scores as someone put it (a small percentage of his shots) where are Barca after him? Why is the rest of the world after him? Why is he coming second in all the player comps? Certainly not the mark of a player who isn't all that great is it?

He scores a rake of goals for a team that usually dominates it's games. Domination = more chances = more goals. He has a good shot but I think Scholes in his prime in the current Chelsea team would score a considerable number of goals too (if not more than Frank)

iregk

He may well do besty but your forgetting something. Nobody has denied that fact! Scholes was pure class so he was. The a typical attacker, couldn't takle to save his life but hell he could play. I'm not disputing the fact that in his prime Scholes was maybe a better player than Frank so I've no idea where that one is coming from.

The thread started out as a is Lampard an overrated player whos got found out? Now it has descended into a Gerrard -v- Lampard, Scholes -v- Lampard, The world -v- Lampard.

In my personal opinion was Lampard found out? Not at all. He wasn't fully fit but to be honest he still had a good enough game. I have watched plenty of games where he has dominated the show both in europe and in the prem.

Is he over rated? Yes, but so is the entire England squad its the nature of the English media to over hype and over rate their player. For gods sake not long ago they were touting Beckham as the greatest player ever and apparently Rooney now is possibly the best striker on the planet!!! Sheva, Henry, Etoo, obviously dont exist. He is not even the best young striker! Torres being a nomination.

But seriously I think this thread has gone as far as it can as people are just hitting each other over the head with no hes better, no hes better, but what about him etc...

Big Nelly

Superdub2 wrote:

fair nuf bout the insults but i wudnt call it personal and i knew when i posted that apology id get a smart arse response from someone like you, and there is no problem with my use of english

First off just read what you have typed above, txt talk, no capitals etc. Wouldnt say you have no problem with the use of english. If this is what school are teaching people these days as English there is going to be alot of un-employment in the future

Superdub2 wrote:

wat i will say, is that if you dont have somthing constructive to say or at least something on the thread topic then dont write crappy smart comments like that, it wasnt banter,it was you and the previous poster rubbishing my opinion, which is very arrogant

Read back the thread, have already posted a few replies, when I read the first post I thought it was so ridiculous I didn't think it needed to be replied to and that everyone would see that, but of course I forgot about all the Chelsea haters on here and now its a 4 page thread. Does everyone on here really think that Lampard isn't a good player because of one bad game against what could be argued as the best team in Europe? remember what he did against them last season? oh yeah we forgot that.

As mentioned on other thread everyone should stop believe the Chelsea hating media, this was mentioned on Sat nite on the Premiership on RTE that the media would have a big backlash at Mourinho because he had a spat with Robson, the reason for this was because he was English and that it would be worse than the Wenger incident because Wenger was french and Robson is English. What has happened? exactly what they said. The press and Sky being one of the biggest voices on this have spent the last 4-5 days on a non stop hate Chelsea campaign.

of course as soon as this starts thread like this appear and everyone is going on about how glad they are Chelsea are out of CL. Its a joke to be honest, if people can only re-gurgate what they see in the media they are just mindless drones. I look at a situation and make up my own mind which hasn't always gone down the best here but what do I care.

Lampard is one of the top midfielders in the World, yes he has a few faults but when will you ever find a players that is a Keane,Xavi,Scholes,Ballack all wraped into one? never is the answer. Pele had faults, Keane had faults, Xavi has fault and believe it or not so has Gerrard. Lampard has as well but his overall game play covers these faults and I know if I was a manager I would want him in my team. Lampard is quality, end of story.

One final thing, who do you support?

dirkey_wynne

Big Nelly wrote:

First off just read what you have typed above, txt talk, no capitals etc. Wouldnt say you have no problem with the use of english. If this is what school are teaching people these days as English there is going to be alot of un-employment in the future



Read back the thread, have already posted a few replies, when I read the first post I thought it was so ridiculous I didn't think it needed to be replied to and that everyone would see that, but of course I forgot about all the Chelsea haters on here and now its a 4 page thread. Does everyone on here really think that Lampard isn't a good player because of one bad game against what could be argued as the best team in Europe?

In a word, No. I'm a Utd fan, and think he's a fantastic manager. Top managers like Sven and Jose wouldn't make him an integral part of their team if he wasn't a top player. You don't come 2nd in the world in polls, without having something.

Dose the OP think Ballack is an appalling player because the game passed him by in Milan the other night? I think not.

People on here are talking about him not being able to play in certain roles in the midfield etc, well in my view Gerrard can't play that well in a 2 man central midfield, and needs the cushion of 2 defensively minded central midfielders behind him, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's a talent.

This thread is a bit of a farce, if you ask me. Lampard is a great player. End of story.

iregk

What I have to say on my final post on this thread as I just think it has descended into the ridiculous now is with reference to the title of it.

Chelsea go out 3-2 after drawing away 1-1 against likely winners and possibly the best team on the planet.

Liverpool go down 1-0 away and 2-0 at home after being outplayed in the 2nd half and thus going out 3-0 against Benfica who nobody would be surprised if they got knocked out in the next round.

The point is apparently on Tuesday Chelsea were "found out" for the over rated average team they are where as Liverpool were just desperately unlucky and gave it there all...

Can anyone see the lobsided view here?

SCULLY

iregk wrote:

What I have to say on my final post on this thread as I just think it has descended into the ridiculous now is with reference to the title of it.

Chelsea go out 3-2 after drawing away 1-1 against likely winners and possibly the best team on the planet.

Liverpool go down 1-0 away and 2-0 at home after being outplayed in the 2nd half and thus going out 3-0 against Benfica who nobody would be surprised if they got knocked out in the next round.

The point is apparently on Tuesday Chelsea were "found out" for the over rated average team they are where as Liverpool were just desperately unlucky and gave it there all...

Can anyone see the lobsided view here?

Good post.

Big Nelly

iregk wrote:

What I have to say on my final post on this thread as I just think it has descended into the ridiculous now is with reference to the title of it.

Chelsea go out 3-2 after drawing away 1-1 against likely winners and possibly the best team on the planet.

Liverpool go down 1-0 away and 2-0 at home after being outplayed in the 2nd half and thus going out 3-0 against Benfica who nobody would be surprised if they got knocked out in the next round.

The point is apparently on Tuesday Chelsea were "found out" for the over rated average team they are where as Liverpool were just desperately unlucky and gave it there all...

Can anyone see the lobsided view here?

Good post but as I have mentioned on numerous thread this is because people are just using the press as there basis for knowledge on the game. This is always a terrible idea.

Also alot of Liverpool fans on here that are very very bias towards Liverpool

BolBill

Rio technically good ??? Do me favour !!!! Hes a ball watcher that gets found out more often than not. Hes more worried about how much he can squeeze out of the Man U board than playing football, either that or his ridiculous hair. Campbell and Terry are the best 2 centre halves they have, with Carra in 3rd, Rio has a name for been good thats it.

Jivin Turkey

iregk wrote:

The point is apparently on Tuesday Chelsea were "found out" for the over rated average team they are where as Liverpool were just desperately unlucky and gave it there all...

Can anyone see the lobsided view here?

Is there not a 10 page thread on Liverpools exit detailing exactly how awful their strikers are, and how they will never win anything?

Lemlin

iregk wrote:

What I have to say on my final post on this thread as I just think it has descended into the ridiculous now is with reference to the title of it.

Chelsea go out 3-2 after drawing away 1-1 against likely winners and possibly the best team on the planet.

Liverpool go down 1-0 away and 2-0 at home after being outplayed in the 2nd half and thus going out 3-0 against Benfica who nobody would be surprised if they got knocked out in the next round.

The point is apparently on Tuesday Chelsea were "found out" for the over rated average team they are where as Liverpool were just desperately unlucky and gave it there all...

Can anyone see the lobsided view here?

Yes, it is very lobsided. This is the same "average" Chelsea side who 'Pool have played 9 times in two seasons and beaten once, with five losses. If Chelsea are "average", what the hell are the rest of the Premiership?

Big Nelly

BolBill wrote:

Rio technically good ??? Do me favour !!!! Hes a ball watcher that gets found out more often than not. Hes more worried about how much he can squeeze out of the Man U board than playing football, either that or his ridiculous hair. Campbell and Terry are the best 2 centre halves they have, with Carra in 3rd, Rio has a name for been good thats it.

all I can say is LMAO, Campbell better than Rio...lol.......remind me who do you support? oh I see Carra named there so must be the Liverpool blinkers on again

p.pete

Big Nelly wrote:

Also alot of Liverpool fans on here that are very very bias towards Liverpool

Profound, give the boy a gold star.

Superdub2

Big Nelly wrote:

First off just read what you have typed above, txt talk, no capitals etc. Wouldnt say you have no problem with the use of english. If this is what school are teaching people these days as English there is going to be alot of un-employment in the future



Read back the thread, have already posted a few replies, when I read the first post I thought it was so ridiculous I didn't think it needed to be replied to and that everyone would see that, but of course I forgot about all the Chelsea haters on here and now its a 4 page thread. Does everyone on here really think that Lampard isn't a good player because of one bad game against what could be argued as the best team in Europe? remember what he did against them last season? oh yeah we forgot that.

As mentioned on other thread everyone should stop believe the Chelsea hating media, this was mentioned on Sat nite on the Premiership on RTE that the media would have a big backlash at Mourinho because he had a spat with Robson, the reason for this was because he was English and that it would be worse than the Wenger incident because Wenger was french and Robson is English. What has happened? exactly what they said. The press and Sky being one of the biggest voices on this have spent the last 4-5 days on a non stop hate Chelsea campaign.

of course as soon as this starts thread like this appear and everyone is going on about how glad they are Chelsea are out of CL. Its a joke to be honest, if people can only re-gurgate what they see in the media they are just mindless drones. I look at a situation and make up my own mind which hasn't always gone down the best here but what do I care.

Lampard is one of the top midfielders in the World, yes he has a few faults but when will you ever find a players that is a Keane,Xavi,Scholes,Ballack all wraped into one? never is the answer. Pele had faults, Keane had faults, Xavi has fault and believe it or not so has Gerrard. Lampard has as well but his overall game play covers these faults and I know if I was a manager I would want him in my team. Lampard is quality, end of story.

One final thing, who do you support?

dont worry bout my education its fine but i pay little attention to my grammer up here as long as its legible. How arrogant are you?? you think just because other people have a different opinion that the are chelsea haters.

You are talking rubbish, players do have faults but Frank Lampard is nowhere good enough to be ranked among those names an for the rtecord i dont think Gerrard is all that better than Lampard but he does have more of an influence on the game.

I support Blackburn and i do not have a problem with Chelsea other than the fact that i think they are boring

Superdub2

Big Nelly wrote:

all I can say is LMAO, Campbell better than Rio...lol.......remind me who do you support? oh I see Carra named there so must be the Liverpool blinkers on again

Rio Ferdinand while technically gifted is a rubbish defender and anyone who doesnt see that has issues

Superdub2

iregk wrote:

What I have to say on my final post on this thread as I just think it has descended into the ridiculous now is with reference to the title of it.

Chelsea go out 3-2 after drawing away 1-1 against likely winners and possibly the best team on the planet.

Liverpool go down 1-0 away and 2-0 at home after being outplayed in the 2nd half and thus going out 3-0 against Benfica who nobody would be surprised if they got knocked out in the next round.

The point is apparently on Tuesday Chelsea were "found out" for the over rated average team they are where as Liverpool were just desperately unlucky and gave it there all...

Can anyone see the lobsided view here?

Who is saying Liverpool were unlucky?!? they were rubbish but nobody thinks Liverpool are a particularly good team, do they??

Personally i think Liverpool were actually found out a hell of a lot more than Chelsea

TonyD79

Lampard is a great player but he is nowhere near what keane was yet he gets in the top 3 players in the world when keane never made the top ten.

As for friendlys and judging players on one match (no matter the importance)
I saw a Manu vs Barcelona pre season friendly in the USA just after Ronalinho joined barca n not Manu. He played out on the right wing( 3 man attack) and was muck and he appeared unable to cope with the physcial side. I wasnt to depressed after the game but time has telled and he is pure class.

Time has told with Lampard too and he has shown he is class but unless he is 100 % fit and the right team players covering his weaknesses -mainly makelae he looks an average fletcher joe soap!!

WhiteWashMan

Big Nelly wrote:

First off just read what you have typed above, txt talk, no capitals etc. Wouldnt say you have no problem with the use of english. If this is what school are teaching people these days as English there is going to be alot of un-employment in the future?

i never use capitals.

are you saying im uneducated?

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