Petition: Trundle for Ireland

Seaneh

Lee Trundle Petition

zAbbo

oh go away with that ****e.

Lemlin

zabbo wrote:

oh go away with that ****e.

My sentiments exactly. We've got Kevin Doyle, Stephen Elliott, Robbie Keane and Clinton Morrisson. Four strikers all playing and scoring at a higher level than Trundle. And all younger too.

county

i love joe`s comment on the petition,

like thats ever mattered in the past:)

jesus_thats_gre

meh, meh and meh

cournioni

I say, call him into the squad and bring him on for two minutes at the end (like Jason Byrne against Poland) and then tell him to feck off.

Superdub2

i think to suggest he be picked is ridiculous, i mean when was the last time there were calls for an ctual IRISH player to get the call while playing at a rubbish level??????????????


This granny rule is gettin to the point where people are suggesting picking people just because we can whether or not they are good enough and quite frankly he is a fat mess

eirebhoy

Superdub2 wrote:

i think to suggest he be picked is ridiculous, i mean when was the last time there were calls for an ctual IRISH player to get the call while playing at a rubbish level??????????????

Trundle is Irish as far as I'm concerned. He always supported Ireland over England. While I did want him in the squad for last Sweden match, I'm not too bothered whether he's called up or not. I was expecting him to get a move to the premiership in January but it looks like he wants to stay with Swansea. I'm not too fussed whether he's called up or not now.

Rikand

hes a decent player but hes not needed, we have good enough players out there performing at a high level as it is.

kensutz

Seaneh's been watching way too much SoccerAM

MrJoeSoap

What a load of nonsense, internet boy creates forum, gets less than 20 signatures. Waste of a thread.

Btw, the "JoeSoap" that signed the petition wasn't me.

KdjaCL

eirebhoy wrote:

Trundle is Irish as far as I'm concerned. He always supported Ireland over England. While I did want him in the squad for last Sweden match, I'm not too bothered whether he's called up or not. I was expecting him to get a move to the premiership in January but it looks like he wants to stay with Swansea. I'm not too fussed whether he's called up or not now.

Irish in the Kevin Nolan sense, hes another you wanted to play for us as he was irish.


kdjac

eirebhoy

KdjaC wrote:

Irish in the Kevin Nolan sense, hes another you wanted to play for us as he was irish.


kdjac

Nolan? I never said I wanted Nolan to play for us. I'd much prefer Ireland without the likes of Nolan, Holland, Morrison and even Townsend, Houghton, etc. Lee Trundle has stated many times he's always supported Ireland, just like Breen and Kilbane. That's fine by me. The way Trundle talks about Ireland I'm pretty sure he'd choose us over England.

Jonny Arson

zabbo wrote:

oh go away with that ****e.

Seconed, thirded, fourthed..... simply a load of crap. Trundle is a decnt 2nd division player but international player? In your dreams!

This is the exact reason why Irish football is going down the toilet. Too many Plastic Paddys who are only playing for us so they can they can play a bit international football without having any passion, commitment, effort or even something called ability or talent. (see Dictionary for Clinton Morrisson, Gary Doherty, David Connolly etc.)

Lets invest in our homegrown talent for once in a while instead of going down the cheap and desperate route. It will pay dividends in the long term. Pity FAI doesn't have the sense like us normal supporters have.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I say, call him into the squad and bring him on for two minutes at the end (like Jason Byrne against Poland) and then tell him to feck off.

Why? What's the point in that?

The Jason Byrne incident was a dsgrace and nothing but spitting in the face of our domestic league by Brian Kerr and the FAI. If Jason Byrne had of signed for Djurgardens during the winter he would be an automatic contender for the Ireland squad.

cournioni

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Why? What's the point in that?

The Jason Byrne incident was a dsgrace and nothing but spitting in the face of our domestic league by Brian Kerr and the FAI. If Jason Byrne had of signed for Djurgardens during the winter he would be an automatic contender for the Ireland squad.

Do to him what has been done to the EL players. Thats what I mean. Jason Byrne IMO should be there or there abouts as far as the Ireland squad goes. He is a great finisher and that is something that Ireland needs.

Superdub2

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Do to him what has been done to the EL players. Thats what I mean. Jason Byrne IMO should be there or there abouts as far as the Ireland squad goes. He is a great finisher and that is something that Ireland needs.

Jason bryne is nowhere near good enough to play for Ireland, i mean, if they cant even get a contract in England they dont deserve a chance.

The Eircom league is complete rubbish compared to the English or International standard and in my opinion nobody playing in that league is good enough to play for Ireland, the fact that they play in the Eircom League, in my opinion, goes to prove that point

KdjaCL

Superdub2 wrote:

Jason bryne is nowhere near good enough to play for Ireland, i mean, if they cant even get a contract in England they dont deserve a chance.

Why does playing in England mean that you are somehow good but a week ago in the EL you were crap?

Why must a player got to England to prove to "irish" fans who know nothing of the EL they are good?

My nextdoor neighbour never played in England but won 6 EL medals, maybe should have played for Ireland but to say cos he played in El "hes crap" is plain ignorance, Lubo Moravcik is also crap as he only played in his home country for 13 years then had a good season or 4 with Celtic. :rolleyes:


kdjac

gimmick

Superdub2 wrote:

Jason bryne is nowhere near good enough to play for Ireland, i mean, if they cant even get a contract in England they dont deserve a chance.

The Eircom league is complete rubbish compared to the English or International standard and in my opinion nobody playing in that league is good enough to play for Ireland, the fact that they play in the Eircom League, in my opinion, goes to prove that point

LOL. A comment I see and hear so much, and it just amuses me. No doubt this kid will be shouting against evil England in the world cup as well. Pathethic that such ignorance is harboured toward the eL :rolleyes:

Back to topic - Trundle? Why?

Also, has one of these stupid petitions ever worked for anything? Ever? Waste of net space.

finnpark

Superdub2 wrote:

Jason bryne is nowhere near good enough to play for Ireland, i mean, if they cant even get a contract in England they dont deserve a chance.

The Eircom league is complete rubbish compared to the English or International standard and in my opinion nobody playing in that league is good enough to play for Ireland, the fact that they play in the Eircom League, in my opinion, goes to prove that point

So Kevin Doyle, Paul McGrath, Roy Keane etc are and always were pure rubbish because they played in Ireland:rolleyes:

George O'Callaghan and Owen Heary are as good as whats going for Ireland at the moment. Sweden have Djugarden and Malmo players and they have qualified for the past 3 euro. champ/ world cups while Cork City beat Malmo home and away in Europe and also knocked Djugardens out of Europe this year.

MrJoeSoap

Superdub2 wrote:

Jason bryne is nowhere near good enough to play for Ireland, i mean, if they cant even get a contract in England they dont deserve a chance.

The Eircom league is complete rubbish compared to the English or International standard and in my opinion nobody playing in that league is good enough to play for Ireland, the fact that they play in the Eircom League, in my opinion, goes to prove that point

Kevin Doyle anyone?

Crawl back under your rock.

The Muppet

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Kevin Doyle anyone?

Crawl back under your rock.

Ah the exception to the rule.

Pigman II

As much as I love the EL I don't think it is the place to go to search for players for our squad. EL is not rubbish but at the same time it cannot be compared to the top2 divisions in England.

At the current time we have around 40-50 players playing regularily in the Premiership and Championship and imho these players deserve consideration before EL and English Div2 (or whatever it's called these days) players.

As for pointing pointing Sweden use domestic players my question would be what alternatives in those positions do they have?

blu_sonic

Lee trundle? isn't he just a show boater

Chucky the tree

blu_sonic wrote:

Lee trundle? isn't he just a show boater

Top scorer in league One aswell, not to shabby for just a showboater.

Dub13

Lee Trundle is an example of a player who would benefit from one of the "old" B international games.So I say bring back the B international games,nothing to lose loads to gain.

blu_sonic

why is a 3rd div player beingtouted ahead of EL lads?

Lemlin

blu_sonic wrote:

why is a 3rd div player beingtouted ahead of EL lads?

He's second Division. He still shouldn't be being touted though.

evilhomer

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Do to him what has been done to the EL players. Thats what I mean. Jason Byrne IMO should be there or there abouts as far as the Ireland squad goes. He is a great finisher and that is something that Ireland needs.

I have to disagree with on this one PORNAPSTER, Jason Byrne should be nowhere near the irish team, not because he plays in the eL, but because he just doesn't have the pace for international football.

Good player, good finisher, but could you imagine him playing against the likes of Germany, Czech republic, Slovakia, etc?

MrJoeSoap

The Muppet wrote:

Ah the exception to the rule.

Of course, and when Zayed moves to England and starts scoring for fun he'll be another exception...

Even Shane Long is scoring, and he was a Cork reserve.

Ah its good to have domestic football back, the arguments are up and running already!

The Muppet

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Of course, and when Zayed moves to England and starts scoring for fun he'll be another exception...

Even Shane Long is scoring, and he was a Cork reserve.

Ah its good to have domestic football back, the arguments are up and running already!

No Argument from me, I do find it amusing that you use players that have or inten to move to the uk to try disprove the ops comments about the quality (or lack os it to be precise) in the EL telling him to crawl back under his rock in the process.

Lets hope they the manage to appoint a ref for every game this season.

Lemlin

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Of course, and when Zayed moves to England and starts scoring for fun he'll be another exception...

Even Shane Long is scoring, and he was a Cork reserve.

Ah its good to have domestic football back, the arguments are up and running already!

Wasn't Zayed already in England? I think he even had a spell at Blackburn.

Slash/ED

evilhomer wrote:

I have to disagree with on this one PORNAPSTER, Jason Byrne should be nowhere near the irish team, not because he plays in the eL, but because he just doesn't have the pace for international football.

Good player, good finisher, but could you imagine him playing against the likes of Germany, Czech republic, Slovakia, etc?

No, so thank the good lord we have Gary Doherty, Jon Macken and other such quality instead who are capable of rubbing shoulders with the elite of world football

No Argument from me, I do find it amusing that you use players that have or inten to move to the uk to try disprove the ops comments about the quality (or lack os it to be precise) in the EL telling him to crawl back under his rock in the process.

How else can you prove it to someone with such an idiotic view on football? Considering Jason Byrne turned down a half million move to the Swedish champions I think that also says alot about the quality of the league he currently plays in.

blu_sonic

Lemlin wrote:

He's second Division. He still shouldn't be being touted though.

he's in the 3rd league down
prem = top
champ = 2nd
div 1 = 3rd

he's a 3rd division player.

(not aimed at you lemlin) typical of people that know nothing about the EL they assume that its crap, i personally rate the EL with the scottish prem outside of the old firm and i also rate it with the majority of the championship. i watch EL, i know the EL, most of the EPL supporters don't know the EL and make assesment on guesses and asumption

finnpark

The Muppet wrote:

Ah the exception to the rule.

Exacttly, it desn't mean that there are not other exceptions too. George O'Callagahan for Ireland;)

blu_sonic

lets make threads for all the players we want to see play for ireland

The Muppet

Slash/ED wrote:

How else can you prove it to someone with such an idiotic view on football? Considering Jason Byrne turned down a half million move to the Swedish champions I think that also says alot about the quality of the league he currently plays in.

naming one or two players out of the EL that may be good enough to play in the english first divison certainy doesn't prove anything.

TBH I don't want to get into the EL vs Premiership debate but people should be free to express their opinions here without being called pathetic and ignorant or being told to crawl back under their rock.

MrJoeSoap

blu_sonic wrote:

he's in the 3rd league down
prem = top
champ = 2nd
div 1 = 3rd

he's a 3rd division player.

So Rovers are 2nd division? Brilliant!

The Muppet wrote:

Lets hope they the manage to appoint a ref for every game this season.

Is that some sort of lame dig at the eL? Because thats exactly the thing that eL fans (like myself) want to hear. We all know the league is run by a pack of jokers, and thats exactly what we want to change. Irrespective of what you may think of the league's structure, I don't feel you are in a position to be judging players who play in the eL, because I'm quite sure you don't watch them enough to know.

It's quite simple logic really.

The same goes for most of the people on this thread because I would bet my bottom dollar most people here have not seen more than three Swansea games in their life, let alone this season.

evilhomer

Slash/ED wrote:

No, so thank the good lord we have Gary Doherty, Jon Macken and other such quality instead who are capable of rubbing shoulders with the elite of world football

For the record I have never agreed with the selection of either Doherty or Macken.

And for the record Macken has ONE cap, hardly a regular starter!

Doherty is a donkey of the highest order and was only picked because he could kind of play in two positions, although he was crap in both.

Dogherty will get nowhere near the squad from now on.

Just as a matter of curiosity, which of our current strikers would you throw out to make room for Jason Byrne?
Would it be Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Stephen Elliott or Clinton Morisson?

Slash/ED

evilhomer wrote:

Just as a matter of curiosity, which of our current strikers would you throw out to make room for Jason Byrne?
Would it be Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Stephen Elliott or Clinton Morisson?

We have more than 4 strikers, what happens with injuries?

And you've no idea how funny it is to me and others to see you now suddenly pimping the very name you would have laughed at this time last year having probably not seen him play. The very man who never got near the golden boot monopolised by Jason Byrne when he played here. Very very funny indeed.

KdjaCL

evilhomer wrote:

Would it be r Clinton Morisson?

I would take a dodgy dunnes stores shopping trolly rather than play him.

I dont think Jason Byrne is good enough for ireland either but hes ahead of Trundle in the list.

kdjac

Kingp35

The EL is by no means a crap league but it was a crap league and has gained a reputation for being a crap league because of that. Its improving in standard alot in the last few years, all thats needed now is better facilities (for all clubs) and a more professional approach to the running of the league and I think people will start coming to games.

I have no problem with EL players playing for Ireland but if im totally honest I dont think any of the current crop are good enough. Byrne is not good enough compared to other strikers available. O' Callaghan would be close and might be worth trying out but certainly wouldnt be a starter. Heary is a very good player but at the moment we have better options at right back so he is going to miss out. I dont think any of the others are good enough. I remember on other threads people were saying players like Kearney or Farren were good enough which to me is laughable.

If a player from the EL is good enough he is good enough irrespective of what league he plays in. The same goes for Lee Trundle who by the way is an excelent player who I think most people posting on this thread have not seen play and assume he is not good enough because of the league he plays in. Same with the EL.

Im not a huge EL fan but I follow it and go to some games. I think poeple need to stop knocking the league if they know nothing bout it or the players that play in it.

Chucky the tree

MrJoeSoap wrote:

The same goes for most of the people on this thread because I would bet my bottom dollar most people here have not seen more than three Swansea games in their life, let alone this season.

agreed. Most people havent seen enough of Lee trundle to truly comment. Yet, the EL fans are still able to say that jason byrne is better then lee trundle, strange that...

Slash/ED wrote:

How else can you prove it to someone with such an idiotic view on football? Considering Jason Byrne turned down a half million move to the Swedish champions I think that also says alot about the quality of the league he currently plays in.

I think it shows more of the lack of ambition from Byrne then the quality of the League. Rightly or wrongly, if you want to better your carrer and get into the irish squad on a regualar basis you have to start playing in a different league to the EL. He knows this, yet wont take the risk to move away.


Just curious, but how many of the EL clubs are still amateur?

gimmick

^ Most of them - Only Cork City, Shels and Drogs are fully pro. Derry, I think, are mostly pro, while Bohs, SPA etc are about 60/40 pro/am.

The league is beginning to go places, but some of the attitudes toward it by people on this board, which I will use as a good representation of Irish opinion, is not only ignorant, but sad, that they are so led by Sky and the premiership, that they wont even try to go to a domestic game, citing retarded reasons like "i wouldnt know who to support" etc etc etc.

kingp35 wrote:

I think poeple need to stop knocking the league if they know nothing bout it or the players that play in it.

Great point. I wonder will it be listened to though, because I know there are many on this board who wont take my views on board because I dont (actively) support any English team.

Chucky the tree wrote:

Yet, the EL fans are still able to say that jason byrne is better then lee trundle, strange that...

What i would have read is that why should there be petition for Lee Trundle, whose Irishness is tenuos at best, yet wouldnt even consider an actual Irishman like Byrne etc. Thats the double standard.

I think it shows more of the lack of ambition from Byrne then the quality of the League.................................He knows this, yet wont take the risk to move away

What risk? Maybe he felt going to Sweden is a step down? Maybe he looked at Cork City knocking out the eventual Swedish champions from Europe two seasons on the trot, and felt that the Swedish league is stagnating, while the Irish league is coming on more and more, certain clubs anyways? Maybe it shows that a talented and coveted player has confience in his own league, and is showing ambition by being part of a great period in Irish domestic football.

As an aside here, going abroad ie not England has never proven to be a good idea - look at Ian Harte and Levante, love or loathe him, Kerr wouldnt even go over and look at him. Whose to say that playing in Sweden would be any different under the new regime.

evilhomer

Slash/ED wrote:

We have more than 4 strikers, what happens with injuries?

We would want to be fairly unlucky to loose all four strikers at once most international teams would struggle with four strikers out. But if that is your criteria for Jason Byrne being in the team then yeah sure, if Keane, Elliott, Morrisson and Doyle were injured, I would not be unhappy to see Byrne called up, but as I said before I don't think he has the pace to be in or around the squad on a regular basis.

Slash/ED wrote:

And you've no idea how funny it is to me and others to see you now suddenly pimping the very name you would have laughed at this time last year having probably not seen him play. The very man who never got near the golden boot monopolised by Jason Byrne when he played here. Very very funny indeed.

mmmmmm, where did I ever say anything bad about the eL?? Quote me.
I said I didn't think that Jason Byrne was good enough to play for Ireland, because of his pace. I also said I thought he was a good player and a good finisher.

Now if you are going to get on your "eL is great" high horse everytime someone criticises a player from the eL for not being international standard, you will be on that horse a long, long time.

MrJoeSoap

evilhomer wrote:

We would want to be fairly unlucky to loose all four strikers at once most international teams would struggle with four strikers out. But if that is your criteria for Jason Byrne being in the team then yeah sure, if Keane, Elliott, Morrisson and Doyle were injured, I would not be unhappy to see Byrne called up, but as I said before I don't think he has the pace to be in or around the squad on a regular basis.

Um, it wouldnt take all four of them getting injured, it would only take one... There can't be very many leagues in the world where you can be top scorer three years in a row and be consistently overlooked on the international stage.

Now if you are going to get on your "eL is great" high horse everytime someone criticises a player from the eL for not being international standard, you will be on that horse a long, long time.

He must have just misread it. Plenty of others in this thread have done it though.

Chucky the tree

gimmick wrote:

What i would have read is that why should there be petition for Lee Trundle, whose Irishness is tenuos at best, yet wouldnt even consider an actual Irishman like Byrne etc. Thats the double standard.

The thread was started by a Swansea fan. YOu can start about a thread about GOC for Ireland, or joe can about byrne for Ireland. But i am fairly sure the majority of people will shoot yous down saying he isnt good enough, excactly like they have this thread.

gimmick wrote:

What risk? Maybe he felt going to Sweden is a step down? Maybe he looked at Cork City knocking out the eventual Swedish champions from Europe two seasons on the trot, and felt that the Swedish league is stagnating, while the Irish league is coming on more and more, certain clubs anyways? Maybe it shows that a talented and coveted player has confience in his own league, and is showing ambition by being part of a great period in Irish domestic football.

Risk is the wrong word. Maybe he didnt want to uproot and move to another country, that cant be an easy decision.

gimmick wrote:

As an aside here, going abroad ie not England has never proven to be a good idea - look at Ian Harte and Levante, love or loathe him, Kerr wouldnt even go over and look at him. Whose to say that playing in Sweden would be any different under the new regime.

LEts be honest, kerr was a terrible manager for Ireland. He wouldnt pick harte when he was a la liga player but when he gets relegated, he picks him? Says it all really.

MrJoeSoap

I haven't even mentioned Byrne! Weso for Ireland though, especially now he's playing with world-beaters!

blu_sonic

yep i think we are in the 2nd division, MJS. I've seen a fair amount of trundle clips, a talented player to the extent he is full of clever tricks, but i don't think he's international standard

wanabe

i think giving a few games for ireland trundle would benifit ireland! hes an always improving player, who has been linked wit several of the lesser teams in the prem! which is more than i can say for the likes of morrison whos career is moving in the opposite direction! i think international football would boost his career in the way it did andy reid!!

blu_sonic

at 29 he's not exaclty a spring chicken

Chucky the tree

blu_sonic wrote:

at 29 he's not exaclty a spring chicken

Who cares about age? The Euros began in september. If player is good enough for the squad they are good enough, despite there age.