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Robbie Savage
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20-03-2006 8:04pm#1
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I like players like him, Gattuso is another good player like him, hard worker, gets in peoples faces, good tackler
i cant emphasise how many leagues appart viera/keane/gattusso are ahead of savage on his best day. i was just comparing styles
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WhiteWashMan wrote:oh well then, since your opinion is different and some tv pundits agree with you, i must indeed change my mind...
:rolleyes:
more blackburn jingoism from lemlin...
No I'm just proving that I'm not the only one of that opinion. Several TV pundits and several people on this forum agree that he shouldn't of been sent off. Far more than seem to think he should have been.
What I'm doing is called backing up my point. Something which, from observation of your point above, you seem unable to do
By the way, here's an interesting stat for your good self, a Tottenham fan. In 35 starts, Savage has picked up 10 yellow cards. In 23 starts, Edgar Davids has picked up 9. Who has the worse disciplinary record there?
Here's the links: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/gamelog?id=7895&cc=5739
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Lemlin wrote:No I'm just proving that I'm not the only one of that opinion. Several TV pundits and several people on this forum agree that he shouldn't of been sent off. Far more than seem to think he should have been.
and?
hey, i mean, if it makes you feel good that some people agree that savage shouldnt have been sent off, then great for you. im happy youre easily pleased!
really, i dont want anyone unhappy!Lemlin wrote:
What I'm doing is called backing up my point. Something which, from observation of your point above, you seem unable to do
what was the point i havent backed up?
that i dont think hes a good player, or that i feel he should have been sent off?
well hold on, some other people here said they should have been sent off as well.
is this valid back up or will you just dismiss it?
although, i am unsure what the point of getting backing from other people with regards to two yellow cards is. dunno, maybe i just have a better understanding of the rules of football.Lemlin wrote:By the way, here's an interesting stat for your good self, a Tottenham fan. In 35 starts, Savage has picked up 10 yellow cards. In 23 starts, Edgar Davids has picked up 9. Who has the worse disciplinary record there?
who mentioned dicilinary records?
wow, youre doing it again.
you dont like what someone says about anything to do with blackburn, and you just go off on your own little tangent. i am completely unsure what the level of yellow cards has, but since we are making comparisons of players, how many times as robbie savage played in a world cup?
hes a grafter. hes got passion. hes good.
but hes not great. and to be known for something other than your footballing prowess is probably not what any international footballer wants.
oh, but hes not an international anymore is he?
please feel free to continue whatever crusade you are on, but for me blackburn will always be a small 2 bit club, that play nasty football, that kick lumps out of the oppo and will always be plucky little underdogs.0 -
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WhiteWashMan wrote:please feel free to continue whatever crusade you are on, but for me blackburn will always be a small 2 bit club, that play nasty football, that kick lumps out of the oppo and will always be plucky little underdogs.
so Blackburn arent playing any kind of decent football atm ? the two goals from open play against middlesboro at the weekend were not created by some very nice football, good passing and great strikes ?
Sure they werent the most pleasant side to look at under Souness's regime, but i think this season they really have come on in leaps and bounds, they are playing some excellent football, a good game and really, deserve to lose that sort of a tag. You really show your ignorance, saying they play nasty football and kick lumps out of people when they have been playing some of the best and most attractive football in the league, in the last 6 months!
When did you actually last watch Blackburn play ?WhiteWashMan wrote:how many times as robbie savage played in a world cup?
Neil Lennon was a very good player, but he played for Northern Ireland. One good player doesnt make a team, Wales very nearly qualified for a world cup while Robbie Savage was in the squad, look how well they are doing now 0 -
Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
what was the point i havent backed up?
that i dont think hes a good player, or that i feel he should have been sent off?
well hold on, some other people here said they should have been sent off as well.
is this valid back up or will you just dismiss it?
although, i am unsure what the point of getting backing from other people with regards to two yellow cards is. dunno, maybe i just have a better understanding of the rules of football.
I'm not dismissing it. If you have noticed my backup is that alot more people and newspapers etc.think he shouldn't of been sent off than think he should of been. Surely that's a valid point to make. You have your own opinion and you're free to have it. I'm just backing up my point that I don't think he should of been sent off.
The question is not about getting backing from people. The question is whether the cards were deserved. I think they weren't. You think they were.Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
who mentioned dicilinary records?
Read the thread. There's plenty of opinion about disciplinary records. I'm pointing out that Savage's isn't as bad as what people would think. Do you ever hear people talk of Davids' amount of yellows cards? No, because people like to single out players they don't like. The people the media portray as the bad guys. Savage just plays up to this.
wow, youre doing it again.
you dont like what someone says about anything to do with blackburn, and you just go off on your own little tangent. i am completely unsure what the level of yellow cards has, but since we are making comparisons of players, how many times as robbie savage played in a world cup?
hes a grafter. hes got passion. hes good.
but hes not great. and to be known for something other than your footballing prowess is probably not what any international footballer wants.
oh, but hes not an international anymore is he?
I'm not going off on any tangent. I'm comparing Savage to another player in the PL. People here have talked about Savage's disciplinary record as I've said above but you don't hear them singling out Davids. Its all about the media and how they portray players.
As for Savage and World Cups, can Robbie Savage help that he's from Wales? He can't but he and Mark Hughes helped to pull Wales very close to being in one.
Does it make Shay Given a useless goalkeeper because Ireland won't be in the World Cup this Summer? Think about your points before you make them please.Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
please feel free to continue whatever crusade you are on, but for me blackburn will always be a small 2 bit club, that play nasty football, that kick lumps out of the oppo and will always be plucky little underdogs.
LOL. Spurs are close to European football for one season and the way you go on you'd swear they were the best team in European football.
The other day you referred to Man United as "has-beens" on the RVN thread. United are a club that have won more than Spurs could ever dream of. Spurs are a club who have yet to finish in the top six of the PL yet United are the "has-beens", even though they currently lie in second with Spurs in 4th. Who's guilty of jingoism for their club there?
As for Blackburn being plucky little underdogs? I think you'll find Rovers were Premiership champions in 1995 and League Cup Champions in 2002. Who did we beat in that final again incidentally?
I'm pleased to see you not only follow the media route with Savage but also with Blackburn as a team. Where have you seen Blackburn play nasty football recently then? Hughes has been working that out of their game since Souness left.
Did you even watch the Spurs vs. Blackburn game? Were Blackburn kicking lumps out of the Spurs players there? No, they were playing some damn good football in a very entertaining game.0 -
Lemlin wrote:Did you even watch the Spurs vs. Blackburn game? Were Blackburn kicking lumps out of the Spurs players there? No, they were playing some damn good football in a very entertaining game.
Which they lost
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cruiserweight wrote:Which they lost
Indeed they did but would you be happy if the same mistakes were made by the match officials in a game involving the team you support? Its a can of worms I don't want to open again but it must be noted.
And, to get back to the original point, I'm pointing out that Blackburn most certainly did not kick lumps out of Spurs or their players. They played very good football and were the better team.
WhiteWashMan is simply taking the usual media route of branding Blackburn thugs.0 -
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Rickylovesuall wrote:
Neil Lennon was a very good player, but he played for Northern Ireland. One good player doesnt make a team, Wales very nearly qualified for a world cup while Robbie Savage was in the squad, look how well they are doing now
well, my point was really that it has about as much to do with a discussion on robbie savage getting a red card as it does about davids being in the world cup.
which is to say absolutely none.lemlin wrote:WhiteWashMan is simply taking the usual media route of branding Blackburn thugs
am i?
well again. if you say so...
but sure, if i agree with the media i must be right, which is apaprently a bad thing.
when you agree withthe media, its a good thing.
i do it. wrong.
you do it. right.
there appears to be a lack of consistancy in your arguements here.
l;isten, i think its cute you defend your players so passionately. its good to see a true supporter instead of a bandwagon hopping utd , arsenal or pool fan.
i salute a true fan.lemilin wrote:Do you ever hear people talk of Davids' amount of yellows cards?
ironically enough, i think that davids has received half of them becuase of his reputation. he has a reputation for hard tackling and huge commitment.
it was obvious from his first 3 months at the club that he would not change his play, and that he was going to get cards. its the way he plays. but i have seen him get carded for nonesense reasons. but i wouldnt have him any other way. although, he is finding it more difficult to get into the squad. i do hope he plays against arsenal
by the way, savage doesnt get media attention for being a dirty player, or for cards. he gets it for getting other people sent off, for play acting, for diving and for generally being a prat. these are allegations you cant deny.
sure, most people are surprised he was sent off. i wasnt. like i said, i think hes a good player, hes certainly passionate, but hes not world class, and he wont be remembered for that. he will be remembered for having shaggy blonde hair and getting people sent off.
thats what he will be remembered for.lemlin wrote:Spurs are close to European football for one season and the way you go on you'd swear they were the best team in European football
not at all. i think youve read enough of my talk about spurs to know that i am extremely realist about what spurs have achieved. i dont think we will make 4th place, and i have already said in another thread that i think blackburn are a threat, and ive been saying for the past 3 months on various threads that i think the biggest and best improved team in the premiership this year has been blackburn and that i think they will be looking for a place in europe this year.
in fact, it was just after we drew 0-0 at ewood park back in septemeber/october.
so yes, i still think of blackburn as underdogs, and i still think of lucas neill and co kicking lumps out of people. i do think they are better than last season. i do consider them a threat. and do consider them a small club. do they play marvelous football?
well, it really cant be worse than under souness (i think even i could install better football in a team than that man), but i would have put it on a par with the likes of charlton, wigan or west ham. they are no barcelona.
but then again, only barcelona are, but they seem to be the standard these dayslemlin wrote:I'm pleased to see you not only follow the media route with Savage but also with Blackburn as a team
not really. i only base my opinions on what i see and know. if i wanted someone else to make my mind up for me id actually listen to half of what the people on these forums believe.
if i havent seen blackburn play the marvelous football you talk about, then exactly how am i supposed to know about it? maybe they do.
of course, if the media said they do, and i believed them, does that then mean i am letting the media do my thinking for me.
it seems all i can do is buy myself a season ticket to ewood park.
but that will never happen. the only penalty points on my driving licence were given to me by the nice constabulary of blackburn, and i intend to never go there again 0 -
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Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
well, my point was really that it has about as much to do with a discussion on robbie savage getting a red card as it does about davids being in the world cup.
which is to say absolutely none.
Let me see, we're talking about Robbie Savage's disciplinary records. People have said that he seems to pick up yellow cards for fun. You have also talked about "his antics". I've compared him to the disciplinary of another player who doesn't get near as much criticism but has a far worse record.
I think that's on topic if you ask me. After all, what's wrong with comparing two strikers scoring records if this was about a striker's good or bad goal scoring?
am i?
well again. if you say so...
but sure, if i agree with the media i must be right, which is apaprently a bad thing.
when you agree withthe media, its a good thing.
i do it. wrong.
you do it. right.
there appears to be a lack of consistancy in your arguements here.
l;isten, i think its cute you defend your players so passionately. its good to see a true supporter instead of a bandwagon hopping utd , arsenal or pool fan.
i salute a true fan.
It is the tabloids who paint Blackburn as thugs and who you seem to agree with. I don't read those. The media being referred to by myself was established internet websites and broadshseet newspapers, the only media that should be viewed, or even printed, IMO.Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
ironically enough, i think that davids has received half of them becuase of his reputation. he has a reputation for hard tackling and huge commitment.
it was obvious from his first 3 months at the club that he would not change his play, and that he was going to get cards. its the way he plays. but i have seen him get carded for nonesense reasons. but i wouldnt have him any other way. although, he is finding it more difficult to get into the squad. i do hope he plays against arsenal
by the way, savage doesnt get media attention for being a dirty player, or for cards. he gets it for getting other people sent off, for play acting, for diving and for generally being a prat. these are allegations you cant deny.
sure, most people are surprised he was sent off. i wasnt. like i said, i think hes a good player, hes certainly passionate, but hes not world class, and he wont be remembered for that. he will be remembered for having shaggy blonde hair and getting people sent off.
thats what he will be remembered for.
And you don't think Savage has a reputation? I'm sure Davids has huge commitment for Spurs and he's not there for just one last big pay cheque
I haven't denied these allegations. Its part of his play and it regularly works well against opponents.
As for being remembered, I don't think Savage cares about anyone but the fans of his own teams remembering him, and how he showed true grit and passion for the clubs he has played for. Birmingham fans may not agree with some of that but he gave it his all when he wore their jersey.
In all honesty, I don't see why he should care about being loved by the masses anyway. He's a Blackburn footballer and he does his best for the club. Just like he did for Leicester and Birmingham in the past.Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
not at all. i think youve read enough of my talk about spurs to know that i am extremely realist about what spurs have achieved. i dont think we will make 4th place, and i have already said in another thread that i think blackburn are a threat, and ive been saying for the past 3 months on various threads that i think the biggest and best improved team in the premiership this year has been blackburn and that i think they will be looking for a place in europe this year.
in fact, it was just after we drew 0-0 at ewood park back in septemeber/october.
so yes, i still think of blackburn as underdogs, and i still think of lucas neill and co kicking lumps out of people. i do think they are better than last season. i do consider them a threat. and do consider them a small club. do they play marvelous football?
well, it really cant be worse than under souness (i think even i could install better football in a team than that man), but i would have put it on a par with the likes of charlton, wigan or west ham. they are no barcelona.
but then again, only barcelona are, but they seem to be the standard these days
I can't see how you are realistic when you are referring to teams just below Spurs in the League as underdogs. Teams who have been more successful than Spurs in recent times. You also talked about how Michael Carrick wouldn't go to United because they are "has-beens". What exactly does that make Spurs then? A team who have never finished in the top six of the PL. That just doesn't seem very realist to me.Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
not really. i only base my opinions on what i see and know. if i wanted someone else to make my mind up for me id actually listen to half of what the people on these forums believe.
if i havent seen blackburn play the marvelous football you talk about, then exactly how am i supposed to know about it? maybe they do.
of course, if the media said they do, and i believed them, does that then mean i am letting the media do my thinking for me.
it seems all i can do is buy myself a season ticket to ewood park.
but that will never happen. the only penalty points on my driving licence were given to me by the nice constabulary of blackburn, and i intend to never go there again
So you didn't even bother to watch one of the most important games of the season for the club you support just two weeks ago? Didn't even bother watching the highlights?. That says alot in itself really.0 -
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Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
erm, yeah. whatever.
What a great way to try and dismiss my point. You can't answer what was were perfectly good points about both players' disciplinary records and your attitude towards Spurs so you just try try to fob it off.WhiteWashMan wrote:
does it?
what?
is this your way of insinuating that im not a 'true' supporter becuase you think i didnt want highlights of a game? come come now, cant you manage to post without trying to paint someone ass a lesser footballing being than yourself? i mean i could go back and make my points again in really small words for you, but if you dont want to see them, then no matter what i say will change your mind. and im not too bothered. we have completed the circle now, im not going to start again.
again, if thats what you think, you go right ahead. again,, im here to make you happy.
at the end of the day, i think robbie savage deserved to be red carded. and im happy he got it.
I am indeed. Anyone who's a proper Spurs supporter would of watched that game. I haven't made any comments about anyone being a lesser football being than myself. I just don't see how anyone could claim to be a good supporter and not even watch the highlights of one of their chosen club's biggest games of the season.
You point out that you haven't seen Blackburn play any good football. How do you expect to if you don't even watch your own club? It might be an idea to start watching Spurs and then see how other teams are doing.
Again, you could make your points in really small writing, it wouldn't stop them being any less wrong though. Pity about that 0 -
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