Is anyone else fed up of Dublin?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I think we are getting greedier. As someone pointed out earlier, comfort goods that we used to see as extras have now become nessecities. Of cvourse, we have the economic climate that allows that, but our attitude towards it can be that of a five-year old in a sweet shop.

Agree with you about being lazy though. We've been dumbing (dumbed...?) down ever since Independance.

MorningStar

DublinWriter wrote:

No, you were boring me to death with your pedantry and evasion.

Actually you avoided and changed your answeres when it suited you. List what you think I avoided

gilroyb

DublinWriter wrote:

A one bed is hardly enough unless your advocating a return to the one-bedroom tennament conditions in Dublin at the turn of the century.

You're saying how bad Dublin is now, and yet at the same time are pointing to 1999/2000 as the example of bad accommodation. If you ask me it really wasn't that bad back then.

MorningStar

gilroyb wrote:

You're saying how bad Dublin is now, and yet at the same time are pointing to 1999/2000 as the example of bad accommodation. If you ask me it really wasn't that bad back then.

He obviously doesn't know what a tenement means as if you own it is not a tenement you need to be renting. He also changes his argument to mean something different just to argue. AS you correctly noted he is both saying it was bad before and is bad now when arguing it has gotten worse. He either hates Dublin or just loves to argue. I proved his arguemnet was at best completely wrong or just lying.

AngryAnderson

Seriously. What a bunch of moaners you all are. If you don't like Dublin, move to somewhere that you'll be happier. Most of the rest of the planet won't afford you anywhere near as many opportunities as you have in this city but hey, we're all lazy, selfish, rude racists so why would anyone want to stay here, right? :rolleyes: Jaysus.

Oh... and we're not lazy. Stop being so stupid. Irish people are working longer office hours each year.

cmoney

theres no point in saying your fed up with dublin until you've tried living elsewhere...

im in germany for 3 months and im loving it so far but still think dublin is RAPID!

BlueSpiral

I think Dublin is ok, some people are absolutely brillant.

It was lashing in Dublin yesterday, and I was standing at the edge of the pavement to get across the road. I bus came by, but luckily the man next to me, pulled himself and me out of the bus' monster splash. He then let me stand under his umbrella, which was very nice of him!

AngryAnderson

People are rude in every country in the world. People in cities tend to be ruder due to overcrowding, stress, etc. It's a global phenomenon. Anyone who tries to tie it down to a specific city, e.g. Dublin, is just downright thick. Get out of Dublin for a while. Go to any other major city in Europe. It's absolutely no different... some people are pleasant, some are assholes. End of story :rolleyes:

Everyone should move to Galway or Westport or if your really desperate to inishbofin

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AngryAnderson wrote:

Oh... and we're not lazy. Stop being so stupid. Irish people are working longer office hours each year.

Yes. I know these people. They take the dog for a walk in the car, haven't seen their family in years and, unless there's money in it for them, won't give you the time of day.

Office people are amongst the laziest and most selfish on the planet... the moment you get them OUT of the office

AngryAnderson

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Yes. I know these people. They take the dog for a walk in the car, haven't seen their family in years and, unless there's money in it for them, won't give you the time of day.

Office people are amongst the laziest and most selfish on the planet... the moment you get them OUT of the office

What a moronic, sweeping statement. Sounds like someone's got a bit of a chip on their shoulder.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

No, just going from experience. All I can do, really.

sturgo

i hate to bang out the cheesey 1 liners, but... life is what u make of it.

RoyalMarine

why not ask the government to open suicide booth's?
if your not happy with your current state of life nd all that,
here's a simple suggestion...

****ING CHANGE SO.

if you dont want to deal with people you dont like,
here's another simple suggestion...

****ING IGNORE OR AVOID THEM.

sorry to be rude.
just had the same experience cos i live in dublin now.
simple to get on in life... dont do the stuff u dont like...
do the stuff u do like,...

kinda obvious, but simple

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

but they're FUN....!

AngryAnderson

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

No, just going from experience. All I can do, really.

So you're saying that the majority of the workforce are selfish a$$holes? Fair enough. :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I said "I know these people". Poeple I know. Never said anything about the workforce in general.

In general, people are putting making money and earling material goods a lot higher on their list of priorities these days and people - family, neighbours, even themselves on a spiritual nature - much further down their list.

Regarding lazy, what I originally meant was that people will read tabloids rather than books. Sit in bars and pubs rather than seek out more alternative and varied forms of entertainment. We used to let the church do our thinking for us, now we let the media do it. THAT's lazy.

Sleepy

I have to admit, two or three years ago I'd have been in the 'Dublin is a ****hole' camp. Having lived up here for nearly 3 years now, I've grown to like some elements of the city, loathe others and can't see myself leaving any time soon. I, like thousands of others, moved here to start my career. The lack of infrastructure in this country has essentially made it difficult for many businesses to locate outside of the capital so those of us from other towns and cities have little choice but to move up here if we want to get any kind of career off the ground.

People in Dublin are ruder than they were ten years ago, but so too are people in Galway, Cork, Kerry etc. We're squandering a miracle economy and becoming quite greedy at the same time (perhaps the influence of the eighties 'Greed is good' yuppie attitude and the large portion of our population that grew up during it?). We live in a time where technology has advanced to the point where if things aren't instant we feel short-changed and have started to expect the same from others providing services for us. If they can't deliver, we seem to have no problems in blaming them for it and being rude towards them.

IMHO, the media are hugely to blame for this, with television shows and movies that glamourise vapidness, bitchiness and cock-sure arrogance over being nice to each other. Can you imagine 'It's a Wonderful Life' being a success today?

DublinWriter

gilroyb wrote:

You're saying how bad Dublin is now, and yet at the same time are pointing to 1999/2000 as the example of bad accommodation. If you ask me it really wasn't that bad back then.

Turn of the 19th Century I meant.

DublinWriter

MorningStar wrote:

List what you think I avoided

You seem to think that the only reason both parents work in familes in Dublin is to provide luxuries like 4x4s and plama TVs.

You failed to answer my question:

Young couple, both on average wage, first time house buyers.

How can the couple afford the house without both working?

And don't give me that line again about there being plenty of one-bed shoeboxes around for 210K. Let's presume the couple want to have a kid or two within the next five years.

AngryAnderson

Mmmm, you see that's my whole problem with Dublin these days. Everyone bitches and moans about how everone else is rude/racist/greedy/whatever except themselves. It's pathetic. Get on with your life. If other people's faults bother you, then you'll never be happy no matter where you go. Or maybe it's YOU with the problem?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Hey - we're entitled to moan ! Freedom of speech!

It's not so much faults, it's attitudes. Dublin is a very conservative and work/money-orientated city, that's all. They aren't 'faults', it's just that I'm a very liberal and spiritual person. There isn't as much variety in terms of art and sport, for example, as there are in other European cities.

I think it would be a far nicer city if was more open-minded and we cared more for people than money, but that's just an opinion. I could be wrong.

AngryAnderson

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Dublin is a very conservative and work/money-orientated city, that's all.

Try buying a house or having any quality of life in Dublin... it's hard NOT to be money orientated.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

That's my point... I don't NEED a house. I don't to be made to feel like I HAVE to have a house and have to work 60 hours a week for one.

MorningStar

DublinWriter wrote:

You seem to think that the only reason both parents work in familes in Dublin is to provide luxuries like 4x4s and plama TVs.

You failed to answer my question:

Young couple, both on average wage, first time house buyers.

How can the couple afford the house without both working?

And don't give me that line again about there being plenty of one-bed shoeboxes around for 210K. Let's presume the couple want to have a kid or two within the next five years.

Read back what I said and repeated to you. I said MANY couples work for luxuries not need not all. You gave an example of hardship and I proved that it was luxury driving them

They don't need a house and can buy an appartment.

They are also entitled to affordable housing schemes or shared purcahse schemes. Many other countries don't have this.

Why should they get a house without both of them working? Why do they need to buy?

You failed to admit your firiends are working by choice in order to pay off their mortgage in 12 years. Do you consider this normal and not a luxury?

Do you know what a tenement is now?

I answered your questions answer mine now or run away again and deny everything said.

Quality of living report put our city quite high on the list (24th) it may have sliped but it is still better than most.

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1173105

DublinWriter

MorningStar wrote:

Read back what I said and repeated to you. I said MANY couples work for luxuries not need not all. You gave an example of hardship and I proved that it was luxury driving them

They don't need a house and can buy an appartment.

Personally I wouldn't bring up kids in an apartment.

But let's explore this shall we? Let's be generous and say that the couple have found an apartment in Dublin for 250K.

Now, let's say that they're going for a 90% mortgage.

How much does Daddy need to be earning to qualify for a 225K mortage when he's the only one working?

MorningStar wrote:

Why should they get a house without both of them working? Why do they need to buy?

Because maybe they'd like to have something to pass onto their kids, or cover them in their old age?

MorningStar

DublinWriter wrote:

Personally I wouldn't bring up kids in an apartment.

But let's explore this shall we? Let's be generous and say that the couple have found an apartment in Dublin for 250K.

Now, let's say that they're going for a 90% mortgage.

How much does Daddy need to be earning to qualify for a 225K mortage when he's the only one working?

Well personal choice is a privledge to be earned and owning a house is a luxury, you can rent. Do you think people should just be given stuff
What is wong with them using the affordable housing schemes in the 3 districts that cover Dublin? Add the shared ownership scheme? You convenitly ignore that?
Daddy doesn't need to be daddy, mammy can work instead and they don't need to buy. As you are insisting NEED the answer is simple they don't NEED to it is CHOICE.

DublinWriter wrote:

Because maybe they'd like to have something to pass onto their kids, or cover them in their old age?

Why does it have to be a property?You are expecting people in Dublin/Ireland to have an ability far beyond the rest of the entire world. DO you not see that is an unrealistic view. Why can't the child work for his own life and the parents take care of their old age?

By yhte way you mentioned GErmany as being better. THere by law the parents must support their children while in full eductaion. Children also must support their parents in old age. THe government don't do it.

You missed these again

You failed to admit your firiends are working by choice in order to pay off their mortgage in 12 years. Do you consider this normal and not a luxury?

Do you know what a tenement is now?

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

That's my point... I don't NEED a house. I don't to be made to feel like I HAVE to have a house and have to work 60 hours a week for one.

True enough. And there's nothing wrong with that. I waited until I was 27 before I bought my first house, and mostly then because my parents blackmailed me into it. At that time, I was perfectly happy renting off someone else, and having someone else organise everything that needs fixing.

I've stayed out of MorningStar & DublinWriter, because I don't really agree with either of them. lol.

You can buy houses in Dublin and elsewhere within whatever budget you will have as a couple. I did so as a single male, and I continue to do so. it costs me more, but its doable. However, you would be cash-strapped as a result of it (I don't drive, so I have the money i would have spent on that to help toards my mortgage).

At the end of the day, you look at your life, and decide IF you want a house. Not everyone goes down that road. There's no real need to do so.

AngryAnderson wrote:

Mmmm, you see that's my whole problem with Dublin these days. Everyone bitches and moans about how everone else is rude/racist/greedy/whatever except themselves. It's pathetic. Get on with your life. If other people's faults bother you, then you'll never be happy no matter where you go. Or maybe it's YOU with the problem?

The problem is that you see it as being purely moaning. Its funny, but these days you're not allowed to discuss Dublin or any town, without it being labelled as "moaning".

But then you've just posted that we should ignore the faults we see, and yet you come into a "moaning" thread to post yourself. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and ignore these threads?

Schuhart

This sort of confirms what we sort of know anyway. Dublin is fine, it really just needs a decent public transport system. I can never understand how things had to get so bad before there was even an attempt to do something about it.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0410/cities.html
Traffic a drag on Dublin in city list

April 10, 2006 10:51
A survey has shown that Dublin has the highest quality of life for cities in the UK and Ireland. The capital came 24th in a survey of 215 cities across the world. This was down from 22nd last year, mainly due to increased traffic congestion.

London was 39th, trailing behind Paris (33rd), but ahead of New York (46th). Zurich was the world's top rated city ahead of second placed Geneva. Vancouver was third.

Baghdad was the city with the worst quality of life, taking the dubious title ahead of Brazzaville in the Congo and Bangui in the Central African Republic.

Cities in Europe, Canada and Australia dominated the top rankings in the survey by Mercer Human Resource Consulting, which aimed to establish the best and worst cities for expatriates.

Each city was judged on factors including personal safety, the environment and access to health, education, transport and other public services. Almost half the top 30 cities were in Western Europe.

MorningStar

Schuhart wrote:

This sort of confirms what we sort of know anyway. Dublin is fine, it really just needs a decent public transport system. I can never understand how things had to get so bad before there was even an attempt to do something about it.

I posted that up earlier directly from the source. It does show media reporting is flawed the survey specifically says it is not a quality of life gauge but quality of living and there is a big difference.
I was reading the Sunday Indo yesterday and every heading had a negative slant except for the one about famous people.

The media actually make people feel worse than they the reality.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Think it's more of a flawed survey than flawed media. How do you measure friendliness of inhabitants, for example? Just an opinion....

What made me smile was three of the cities I'm considering relocating to came in ahead of Dublin. Stockholm and Copenhagen, despite the expensiveness and Berlin despite the unemployment (although I'm told a lot Berliners don't work by choice... social welfare payments being quiet high).

To expandon what Schhart said, I think it's more a general infrastructure problem than just transport. National stadium, health services, driving test backlogs...

AngryAnderson

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

That's my point... I don't NEED a house. I don't to be made to feel like I HAVE to have a house and have to work 60 hours a week for one.

Eh, yeah well I do. Because I don't want to (a) be living at home into my fifties, (b) be homeless, (c) throw my money down the drain each month on rent to pay someone else's mortgage or (d) any of the above. If you want to live in la-la land then be my guest but I hope you decide to come back to the real world before it's too late.

If you think Dubliner's are greedy for wanting to have a home of their own, then you're a... no, that just wouldn't be a nice thing to say.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AngryAnderson wrote:

Eh, yeah well I do. Because I don't want to (a) be living at home into my fifties, (b) be homeless, (c) throw my money down the drain each month on rent to pay someone else's mortgage or (d) any of the above. If you want to live in la-la land then be my guest but I hope you decide to come back to the real world before it's too late.

If you think Dubliner's are greedy for wanting to have a home of their own, then you're a... no, that just wouldn't be a nice thing to say.

The magic word is WANT as opposed to NEED. It's not a case of la-la land, it's a case of wanting more from life that four walls and a roof. Dubliners are greedy because they put material needs at a greater importance than people.

Schuhart

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

To expandon what Schhart said, I think it's more a general infrastructure problem than just transport. National stadium, health services, driving test backlogs...

I think you are getting things a bit mixed up. Dublin is a perfectly reasonable place by international comparison – and I take MorningStar’s point that all that can really be measured is the material standards available. Its one glaring gap is in transportation, and I think that’s pretty obvious.

There is a general problem – not restricted to Dublin – regarding the organisation of the Health Services. Ditto driving tests – where you’ll notice for the link below that, for example, Tallaght has much the same waiting time as Tipperary and Rathgar has a shorter waiting time than Portlaoise, just to take a few examples.

http://www.drivingtest.ie/drivingtest/HTMLContent/passrates.html

I don’t see the point of lumping in these general national problems into a thread about being fed up with Dublin specifically, unless you are running short of things to say. Maybe you just need to reconsider your views.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kind of, but the problems exist in Dublin and so are relavant. But the infrastructure is what bugs me most.

Example - I lived in Denmark just outside Copenhagen for a short while during an 18 month nationwide tour. The local sports centre had a fully equipped 50m pool, complete with 3, 5 and 10m diving boards, saunas, steamrooms, an increible kids' slide area, the lot. You could use if for 4euro for as along as you like. Plus full top-notch gymnasiums and sports facilities, all of which were open to local schools. It was the same in every small village. There were vibrant street-theatre groups, almost like a circus that were treated like celebrities, all over. The likes of stuff you only ever see in Temple Bar or on Paddy's Day.

The health service over there, I never experienced, but I'm told the turn-around times in causaualty rooms and in inpatient wards was a quiet quick because the did away with private health care (open to correction on this, as it was second-hand info).

This is what I mean by variety and infrastructure, comfort of life. The sort of environment that enables you explore places beyond the local pub. People who don't just work to live. I would quiet happily live my life on a modest income in an enviroment like that than live it in the rat-race possession-obsessed world that is Dublin.

MorningStar

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Think it's more of a flawed survey than flawed media. How do you measure friendliness of inhabitants, for example? Just an opinion....

That is why it is about living quality not life quality. THe survey doesn't try to gage the ungaugable. THe survey does what it says it just doesn't do what you want. The media are reporting it incorrectly.

Ikky just leave if you hate the people and the city. My view it is people bitching and moaning making the place so bad. THere was a stupid rant sent into Moncreiff (sp) yesterday and loads of people agreed. The problem was it wasn't true for at least half of what was said. The media feeds this negative feeling and to an extent creates it. Dublinwriter there made up a story of how hard it is in DUblin and the unthinking would just agree rather than relaise it simply isn't true.

MorningStar

MorningStar wrote:

That is why it is about living quality not life quality. THe survey doesn't try to gage the ungaugable. THe survey does what it says it just doesn't do what you want. The media are reporting it incorrectly.

Is this the Poll you're referring to?
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

Which is a prediction by a guy from The Economist. It's not tangible collected data ...
[I could be wrong here, but it looked this way to me]

Ikky just leave if you hate the people and the city. My view it is people bitching and moaning making the place so bad. THere was a stupid rant sent into Moncreiff (sp) yesterday and loads of people agreed. The problem was it wasn't true for at least half of what was said. The media feeds this negative feeling and to an extent creates it. Dublinwriter there made up a story of how hard it is in DUblin and the unthinking would just agree rather than relaise it simply isn't true.

Are your hands over your ears, and you're currently shouting "I can't hear you" over and over? Lol.

Its funny the number of posters here that just can't face the idea that people have some issues with Dublin. What is so wrong with complaining about the state of the Capital of our country? Why does it bother you so much?

If you're so happy about Dublin, why are you here telling people to leave? Ahh, now I understand. Dublin is your Precious, and you don't want to share with anyone......

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

Archeron

Deleted User wrote:

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

Well said!! Everytime somebody tries to have a logical conversation about this, it gets dragged down to a "if you dont like then fcuk off" kind of level. Thats not to mention it also turning into a "how dare you want to buy a house, my God, you're so selfish and inconsiderate" thread as well.
My original point was that Irish people simply arent as nice and polite as a lot of people seem to think. I still stand by that, although that doesnt mean I hate the place. I just hate the angry young woman who works in the local Spar deli who keeps ruining my day by brandishing a knife at me and growling.

My original point was that Irish people simply arent as nice and polite as a lot of people seem to think. I still stand by that, although that doesnt mean I hate the place.

Just to clear up a little query in my head. Was this thread initially meant to be about changing attitudes in Dublin, rather than a list of all the things that are right/wrong about the place?

I seem to remember a few pages back we were talking about it, but somehow it changed into a "we hate Dublin, and left" versus "we love dublin, and you should leave" fight.

MorningStar

Deleted User wrote:

Is this the Poll you're referring to?
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

Which is a prediction by a guy from The Economist. It's not tangible collected data ...
[I could be wrong here, but it looked this way to me]

Maybe you should read posts before you comment. Just look back one page and you will see I was refering to this

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1173105
You wer wrong becasue you didn't bother looking like most people in this country. THey read a healine and then assume the rest.
So the person with their hand over their ears would be you

Deleted User wrote:

Are your hands over your ears, and you're currently shouting "I can't hear you" over and over? Lol.

I think you are missing what I am saying. People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong. Dublinwriter put up a story about how hard life was for his young couple friends. As I proved their hardship was choice.

Deleted User wrote:

Its funny the number of posters here that just can't face the idea that people have some issues with Dublin. What is so wrong with complaining about the state of the Capital of our country? Why does it bother you so much?

I can face it it is the lying and false cliams that are the problem. The expectation of people is a problem. Why it bothers me is becasue you enbd up with idoits moaning about things they don't know, blaming others and never taking responsibility for their actions. People mentioned the point system as a negative thing and blamed the government yet it is a system to improve life,safety and makes people responsible for their actions.

Deleted User wrote:

If you're so happy about Dublin, why are you here telling people to leave? Ahh, now I understand. Dublin is your Precious, and you don't want to share with anyone......

Did I say I was happy with Dublin? What I siad was people make up stories lie and misunderstand things and then moan. Half the things people moan about are actually not a problem just percieved problems. I think people moaning makes Dublin bad.

Deleted User wrote:

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

True for the place but ignorance of a subject and assumptions heaped upon it make people incorrectly accuse the city for problems that don't exist. The general negative attitude effects us all.

Got a problem with the city do something stop moaning! I don't like people dumping in my area so I report people dumping in my area. I hate people not paying thier taxes so I report those I discover. I make people responsible where I can. I am improving my city I suggest you do the same

Schuhart

Deleted User wrote:

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

This absolutely true, but a discussion would suggest a dialogue. If some contributors seem to have an unbalanced view of the city, what’s wrong with trying to bring some sense of reality to the discussion Dublin is imperfect, but still a reasonable place to live and as good as most, bar the public transport problem.

The Mercer report above is not printed on tablets of stone, and all I’ve seen of it is what reported in the papers. It is of interest only as an attempt to measure material wellbeing in cities internationally, which seems to attract a level of notice. A quick google shows the local results of the survey being covered in media in New Zealand, Singapore, India, UK, Israel, Switzerland and South Korea. As far as it goes, it confirms what our own noses would tell us anyway. Dublin is a reasonable city by international standards, except for the traffic.

Beyond that, people make their own lives. I could not imagine living in a small Irish town. I would find that whole idea of everyone knowing your business as stunting and intrusive. Others might take the same objective situation as being part of a warm community. Neither Mercer nor anyone else can measure that, because it’s intangible.

MorningStar

MorningStar wrote:

Maybe you should read posts before you comment. Just look back one page and you will see I was refering to this

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1173105
You wer wrong becasue you didn't bother looking like most people in this country. THey read a healine and then assume the rest.

I'd read the link I posted from another BBS i check. thought it was the same study since RTE didn't list a source. .

Actually I've read this thread a few times. I just fixed on the RTE link, rather than the above. Oops I made a mistake. So Sorry.

So the person with their hand over their ears would be you

Nope. Look. When i joined this thread posters were commenting on the general amount of rudeness in the city/country.

That irish people weren't as friendly as they used to be, and so examples about Dublin were used. Which in turn led to a session of what we have right now.

I've already said that I like some things about Dublin, while there's other aspects about Dublin that I don't. However, I'm not going to tell people to leave just because they feel there's something wrong with it.

I think you are missing what I am saying. People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong. Dublinwriter put up a story about how hard life was for his young couple friends. As I proved their hardship was choice.

you disproved Dublinwriter's post (his example at least), and so everyone else is lying? You serious? So any of the things I pointed out about Dublin (not that there were many since in most cases, I referred to Ireland) are lies?

Cheers for that. :rolleyes:

I can face it it is the lying and false cliams that are the problem. The expectation of people is a problem. Why it bothers me is becasue you enbd up with idoits moaning about things they don't know, blaming others and never taking responsibility for their actions.

And you also have people who do know what they're talking about, complaining about things that influence their daily lives.....

Just because you feel yourself to be right, doesn't invalidate their arguments.

And why do you even bother writing to this thread, if we're all telling lies, and you know you're right? Why not leave us to our ranting and foaming at the mouths?

People mentioned the point system as a negative thing and blamed the government yet it is a system to improve life,safety and makes people responsible for their actions.

Some people did. Aye. Not everyone. But hey, I don't actually have much of an opinion on the "points" issue. I don't actually drive, so I'm not going to comment.

Infrastructure though is something that does affect me, and I would comment on it if it was raised.

Did I say I was happy with Dublin? What I siad was people make up stories lie and misunderstand things and then moan. Half the things people moan about are actually not a problem just percieved problems. I think people moaning makes Dublin bad.

Nope you didn't say you loved/liked Dublin. You've just jumped on anyone that criticises Dublin. I wonder where I got the idea you were so favourable about Dublin....

Fine. You think people moaning/complaining makes Dublin bad. I on the other hand, think there's not enough complaining, and Dublin is the way it is because people are too content with ignoring the problems. Go figure. A difference of opinion. *gasp*

Got a problem with the city do something stop moaning! I don't like people dumping in my area so I report people dumping in my area. I hate people not paying thier taxes so I report those I discover. I make people
responsible where I can. I am improving my city I suggest you do the same

Good for you. Do you know for certain that the people complaining on this post haven't done anything in the past to improve things? I doubt it. :rolleyes:

Schuhart

Schuhart wrote:

This absolutely true, but a discussion would suggest a dialogue. If some contributors seem to have an unbalanced view of the city, what’s wrong with trying to bring some sense of reality to the discussion Dublin is imperfect, but still a reasonable place to live and as good as most, bar the public transport problem.

The problem is that some people post their negative impressions of Dublin, and rather than people posting positive impressions, we get posters telling them to leave Dublin if they don't like it.

Dublin is a reasonable place to live. As I said before I quite enjoyed going out clubbing/drinking there, but I wouldn't want to live there.

I think the thread started going crazy when we started comparing the attitude in Dublin compared to other cities in Europe. At that stage it turned into a bit of a bitch-fight.

The problem seems to be that people aren't allowed to post their opinions. Anything they say is a fact to be disproven.

Beyond that, people make their own lives. I could not imagine living in a small Irish town. I would find that whole idea of everyone knowing your business as stunting and intrusive. Others might take the same objective situation as being part of a warm community. Neither Mercer nor anyone else can measure that, because it’s intangible.

Ditto. Totally agree.

Dermington

Cork City, Parnell Place, Taxi rank beside the bus station. Each driver you go to tells you to go to a different taxi...every single time without fail.

Monday a taxi dropped me home. the price was €7.10. He said €7 please. I handed him €10. He says good luck and hands me €2.50 in 50 cent coins...

what the fúck?

DublinWriter

MorningStar wrote:

Dublinwriter there made up a story of how hard it is in DUblin and the unthinking would just agree rather than relaise it simply isn't true.

Well there's a fine example of rudeness in Dublin!

Made up, eh? Says you.

I'd give you my friend's phone number, but you probably wouldn't believe him either until you were let around to his house to inspect his bank statements.

BTW, I'm still waiting on you to prove how a first-time buying couple can afford a place based on just on partner working.

People who moan about other people moaning are themselves moaners!

Dermington

Dermington wrote:

Cork City, Parnell Place, Taxi rank beside the bus station. Each driver you go to tells you to go to a different taxi...every single time without fail.

Monday a taxi dropped me home. the price was €7.10. He said €7 please. I handed him €10. He says good luck and hands me €2.50 in 50 cent coins...

what the fúck?

Lol. I was living in Cork three weeks, and myself & a friend were beaten up by 7 guys outside of the GPO at 3 am on a saturday night. My ribs haven't healed correctly as a result of that night.

Still love living in cork though.

DublinWriter

DublinWriter wrote:

Made up, eh? Says you.

Its not just you. He essentially called anyone that criticised Dublin in any way, a Liar.... Go figure. :rolleyes:

MorningStar wrote:

People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong.

Toolach

I was just offered a job in Dublin. I know nobody up there and am worried about costs of living up there.

Should I just stay in Cork?


Rent is cheaper etc.

DublinWriter

MorningStar wrote:

People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong.

Which means they are right.

retalivity

stay in cork. i spent 4 years in dublin, hated the last 2 and couldnt wait to get out. now couoldn't be happier wokring in the sticks. far cheaper, far better people and far better life