BT (UK) to cut off 4,000 heavy users

crawler

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/23/bt_hogs/

Heavy users get the chop....100Gigs a month to go...

Sponge Bob

So up to 100Gb a month is fair usage in BT then

matilda96

crawler wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/23/bt_hogs/

Heavy users get the chop....100Gigs a month to go...

Good.
It is about time that the poor little ISP's decided to stand up to the constant abusers that feel they _HAVE_ to download something because thay canGood.
It is about time that the poor little ISP's decided to stand up to the constant copyright infringing scroungers that insist on making themselves blind with there Internet connection.

People these days seem to think that a cap is a target not a limit and they haven't gotten some moneys worth until they have sucked the marrow from the bone or taken every greasy penny from the till.

We are all at the mercy of “cocntention” because we are all to tight to pay for an uncontended service and this downright abuse by THEM is causing u to suffer while bittorrent is slowly killing the internet.

kin9pin

Don't beat around the bush...say what you really think!

DonkeyStyle \o/

Hey maybe they were just sending their holiday videos to family and friends.
"Hey I made a DVD of my trip to India... lemme just email to to you "

Really can't understand how people get anywhere near 100gigs a month, madness :eek:

Cabaal

In fairness I see nothing wrong with this, BT's top Home DSL service has a 40GB cap...if your going to take the piss and use more then double the allowed cap you need to move to a more suitable provider that will not have a issue with 100GB down in a month.

These people deserve everything they get.

kippy

I agree with the stance as well and would like to see it in here for anyone wildly breaking the download caps consistantly.......
If you want no caps you should be paying that bit extra.
Bandwidth isnt an infinite resource.....
Kippy

CL7

There simply isn't an option to pay extra for most people here in Ireland. Its not that hard to break our measly cap of 30G. One HDTV lost ep is nearly 5 gigs. At €40 + vat for BT broadband plus a 100g cap would be fair.

probe

crawler wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/23/bt_hogs/

Heavy users get the chop....100Gigs a month to go...

Surely it's a bit dumb to cut them off - why not charge heavy users more based on the traffic vol?

probe

Bogger77

Fionn^ wrote:

There simply isn't an option to pay extra for most people here in Ireland. Its not that hard to break our measly cap of 30G. One HDTV lost ep is nearly 5 gigs. At €40 + vat for BT broadband plus a 100g cap would be fair.

Of course, the copyright holders of the said Lost episode would fully agree with you downloading it.

Tech Pete

Bogger77 wrote:

Of course, the copyright holders of the said Lost episode would fully agree with you downloading it.

Was about to say that too!

daveirl

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zuma

Fionn^ wrote:

There simply isn't an option to pay extra for most people here in Ireland. Its not that hard to break our measly cap of 30G. One HDTV lost ep is nearly 5 gigs. At €40 + vat for BT broadband plus a 100g cap would be fair.

If you like downloading the MPEG2 version suitable for DVD players :eek: !

"I have heard" that HDTV versions of Lost are encoded using Xvid and come in at 350MB an episode.....a friend of a friend of a friend of a second cousins friend told me that:cool: .

CL7

Bogger77 wrote:

Of course, the copyright holders of the said Lost episode would fully agree with you downloading it.

You're straying off topic so your point is neither here nor there. I was trying to illustrate the point that the cap is too small at 30G, not start a discussion on copyright infringement. Isp's are not copyright enforcers, they just provide a service. The fact is that "illegal " downloading forms a large part of internet traffic. Start a new thread concerning copyright and I'll gladly give you my opinion.

CL7

daveirl wrote:

This post has been deleted.

lols..........no not me. I don't even have a Hi-def tv so it would be fairly pointless. Even if I did I doubt I'd bother. I was just trying to make a point.

Tech Pete

Fionn^ wrote:

There simply isn't an option to pay extra for most people here in Ireland.

1. Get an Unlimited Business account.

Fionn^ wrote:

Its not that hard to break our measly cap of 30G.

2. It is if your only gettin legal content from the internet.
And if the cap is too low see point 1.

Fionn^ wrote:

One HDTV lost ep is nearly 5 gigs.

3. Highly Illegal

Fionn^ wrote:

At €40 + vat for BT broadband plus a 100g cap would be fair.

4. 100Gigs cannot be justified on the download of legal content.
Please try.

So you see 30 gig caps are more than enough for those who stay inside the law. So why would they offer a cap higher than a user would ever need?
Whats that i hear you say? So you can get more illegal content? Well if you think they would supply a larger cap for that reason then your mad.

So all your points 1-4 are of an illegal nature...

zuma

Well from reading the above article its clear that the disconnections at the end of last month were a shot across the bow.....the next disconnects may be permanent!!!

kippy

Totally agree with Tech Petes post above. EVERYTHING in it is valid and answers the previous issues raised about downloading caps.....

lynchie

Tech Pete wrote:

4. 100Gigs cannot be justified on the download of legal content.
Please try.

100GB is easily accomplished using legal content. I do it all the time. In fact i've used 223GB one month (on an uncapped package btw). Performing nightly off-site backups of email and other docs/files over a VPN link to an office can easily consume 4-5GB a night.

oscarBravo

lynchie wrote:

Performing nightly off-site backups of email and other docs/files over a VPN link to an office can easily consume 4-5GB a night.

Sounds like an inefficient backup strategy tbh. Can't you do incremental/differential backups?

Tech Pete

oscarBravo wrote:

Sounds like an inefficient backup strategy tbh. Can't you do incremental/differential backups?

Also sounds like you use the BB for business related purposes.
Therefore i would point you to Point 1 but u already went the extra yard to get an unlimited package.

slave1

Lads lads lads, why does every thread about downloading get caught up with illegal downloads, the trend these days is tv episodes, who out there has not used their vcr to tape something off the tv, or in the past has not given a lend of a film or album to a friend, remember the "old" days when you would tape a record for your friends?
With the likes of Battlestar Galactia, Lost, Smallville, Grey's Anatomy, Prison Break, House, ER, etc etc etc all being available in the US in crystal clear reception you can see how tv viewing can eat into limits and its something we've all done when using our VCR - don't digress into "personal use", its still illegal.
Enough already
Live and let live, there are more important things in life rather than bitching about folk you do not know doing stuff you don't like.
Can't say I like the net being riddled with porn but hey, let em off
Folk need to relax a bit more...

Rant over

jor el

Tech Pete wrote:

4. 100Gigs cannot be justified on the download of legal content.
Please try.

So you see 30 gig caps are more than enough for those who stay inside the law. So why would they offer a cap higher than a user would ever need?
Whats that i hear you say? So you can get more illegal content? Well if you think they would supply a larger cap for that reason then your mad.

So all your points 1-4 are of an illegal nature...

There are plenty of legal ways for a home user to use more than 30G a month. TV episodes are now becoming available legally via itunes. There's a mountain of porn sites that offer streaming and downloadable content, all perfectly legal, for a monthly fee. Movies are also available to download, legally, most of which are not from major studios yet but still they are available. Warner Brothers are trialling a legal movie download service too, and others are sure to follow. There's streaming and downloadable audio.

So you see, there's plenty of legal content, both free and paid for, on the internet that could push you over 30G a month. "So you see 30 gig caps are more than enough for those who stay inside the law" is complete crap.

The way people use the internet is changing, and the ISPs need to change with it. Just as the movie and music houses have been forced into changing their business models due to P2P.

Tech Pete

jor el wrote:

So you see, there's plenty of legal content, both free and paid for, on the internet that could push you over 30G a month.

Thats ok i accept that. Excellent point.

But if you require over 30 Gigs why dont you buy a package with over a 30 gig cap?
I buy a car with a 20 litre fuel tank i dont complain that its too small.
I buy a new car with a bigger one.

zuma

Tech Pete wrote:

But if you require over 30 Gigs why dont you buy a package with over a 30 gig cap?

Name 5 home packages with CAPS over 30GB a month please?

Tech Pete

zuma wrote:

Name 5 home packages with CAPS over 30GB a month please?

If 30 Gigs isnt enough for you then try the following packages.

1. Irish Broadband (NO Cap)
2. Eircom Business Line (NO Cap)
3. NTL (40 Gig Cap)
4. BT Business Line (NO Cap)
5. Smart
6. Magnet
7. Netsource

And if you cannot afford/avail of these due to regional issues or distance then thats just tough luck.

Yes i know 3 are business packages but they are available for home users.

jor el

Tech Pete wrote:

But if you require over 30 Gigs why dont you buy a package with over a 30 gig cap?

I do, and I'll be off to Smart for unlimited (fair use) broadband in June. I'd stick with BT (even though it's more expensive) if they had doubled the cap in the last upgrade, but it seems unlikely.

For a lot of people, there are unfortunately no uncapped options. The business options are very expensive and sometimes only available to businesses, and not home users.

oscarBravo

slave1 wrote:

Lads lads lads, why does every thread about downloading get caught up with illegal downloads, the trend these days is tv episodes, who out there has not used their vcr to tape something off the tv, or in the past has not given a lend of a film or album to a friend, remember the "old" days when you would tape a record for your friends?
With the likes of Battlestar Galactia, Lost, Smallville, Grey's Anatomy, Prison Break, House, ER, etc etc etc all being available in the US in crystal clear reception you can see how tv viewing can eat into limits and its something we've all done when using our VCR - don't digress into "personal use", its still illegal.

There's a difference between taping something from the TV to watch later ("timeshifting") and (say) copying a friend's DVD rather than buy it yourself.

Phone.Book

Tech Pete wrote:

1. Get an Unlimited Business account.


2. It is if your only gettin legal content from the internet.
And if the cap is too low see point 1.


3. Highly Illegal



4. 100Gigs cannot be justified on the download of legal content.
Please try.

So you see 30 gig caps are more than enough for those who stay inside the law. So why would they offer a cap higher than a user would ever need?
Whats that i hear you say? So you can get more illegal content? Well if you think they would supply a larger cap for that reason then your mad.

So all your points 1-4 are of an illegal nature...

lol!

slave1

There's a difference between taping something from the TV to watch later ("timeshifting") and (say) copying a friend's DVD rather than buy it yourself.

whilst there is a difference, both are illegal

CL7

Tech Pete wrote:

So you see 30 gig caps are more than enough for those who stay inside the law. So why would they offer a cap higher than a user would ever need?

No sorry, you're totally wrong here.

Tech Pete wrote:

So all your points 1-4 are of an illegal nature...

Wrong again Pete. I made one lazy reference to a HDTV lost episode which in hindsight was a mistake. Jor el has already shown how easy it is legally to break a 30G cap so there's no point in going into it again.

Tech Pete wrote:

Yes I know 3 are business packages but they are available for home users.

Yes, we should pay up to 6 times more for an unlimited service than our neighbours in the UK and the rest of the world. Why?, because we're Irish and that just the way it is?

Tech Pete wrote:

And if you cannot afford/avail of these due to regional issues or distance then that’s just tough luck.

This point is very well thought out and made. Very similar to eircoms attitude and one of the main reasons our broadband network is so far behind the rest of Europe.