Should RTE stop playing the Angelus?

Zombrex

Gurgle wrote:

If they want to see what the market is like, they should sell a DVD box set

Or just stop it and see if anyone actually complains ... it is trival after all

Gurgle

Gurgle wrote:

This being Ireland, it probably costs €2,000,000 per episode.

If they want to see what the market is like, they should sell a DVD box set - 40 years of the Angelus. Then if the sales don't represent a significant portion of the population they should scrap the 'show'.

While I find that idea funny it goes against the spirit of public service television.
Mind you the angelus with an add break and a part two... hmmmm it does have a committed audience... it does like have a big viewership and ergo maybe there should be an add break in it *






* That would however defeat the purpose of it being a moment of quiet reflection away from such things

DublinWriter

Earthman wrote:

Speaking of inward,I don't see a campaign in the UK to change their national anthem from "God Save the Queen" to " Some random higher power if there is one save the Queen"...

So do you think the Brits are inward? God save the queen still goes out on Radio 4 every night religously (forgive the pun)

You're comparing apples with oranges (no pun...etc). It's not like Radio 4 plays an hour of evensong at 6pm.

In truth...

a) The Queen is the UK head of state.

b) Radio4 closes down and has to play something, that's their national anthem

c) Wasn't so long ago that RTE used to play the National Anthem every night on TV before they closed down (around 10pm I think).

DublinWriter

Gurgle wrote:

If they want to see what the market is like, they should sell a DVD box set - 40 years of the Angelus.

Oh man, that's funny. I wonder if it will have a director's commentary feature?

e.g., commentary from S.39, ep. 23:
"I was really nervous shooting this scene because the statue kept moving"

DublinWriter

DublinWriter wrote:

You're comparing apples with oranges (no pun...etc). It's not like Radio 4 plays an hour of evensong at 6pm.

I'm not comparing apples and oranges.The Queen is not only the head of state in the UK, she is also the head of the church of England which is the established church there.
We dont even have an established church as church and state are separate.

Caller said we were inward looking because we have this bell ringing for a minute so I'm asking him if he thinks the UK is even more inward for having things the way they have them.
It's a legitimate logical approach to take with his stance.

If you think we're silly to have something (that is actually popular) that some people use for their religion on at a certain time every day, then we're in good company.
The angelus is actually much more secular to be honest than the "leading" programme "a prayer at bedtime" or BBC ones songs of praise.

Radio 4 also do a religous usually christian reflection every morning .
If your problem is actually with religous programming,I think you are being anti religous which is an unfair stance to take against a substantial proportion of the population.
It's as unfair as taking a stance against any other service provided to serve a particular community.
It's ironic that the one you give out about here was actually revamped to reflect a wider purpose.

c) Wasn't so long ago that RTE used to play the National Anthem every night on TV before they closed down (around 10pm I think).

That Song doesnt have God as its central theme. Whats on RTÉ one at six since the revamp is a bell ringing, a popular TV programme (albeit used as a focal point by catholics but not exclusively so) its not a prayer.

fly_agaric

Wicknight wrote:

If it is such a trivial issue why would anyone object to it being removed? If keeping it is trivial then surely getting rid of it is equally trivial no?

It is a trivial issue for people who aren't devout Catholics or ardent secularists or multiculturalists (those multiculturalists for whom replacing the Catholic iconography/Church art with some smiley-happy videos of people pausing for reflection in modern Ireland isn't enough of a watering down to make the thing inclusive).

The former will see its eventual removal as another signpost on Ireland's path to hell and both of the latter will see it as some great victory for the forces of tolerance. A mark of the great progress Ireland is making.

I suppose most people in Ireland (who are lapsed Catholics) will feel a (very) slight twinge to see it go, but that's about it.

Now, the mainly Church-controlled school system - that's where things may get nastier...

Hagar

It's just another RTE repeat. Big deal.

MrSinn

DublinWriter wrote:

Considering the generally multi-cultural nation that Ireland now is, should our National Broadcaster still be playing the Angelus?

Personally, I was always a bit lukewarm about it and would have said that no, it shouldn't really be played.

However, after learning that RTE only started playing the Angelus in 1950 due to a direct request from Archbishop McQuaid, then I'm totally against it.

Yes of course they should give up on the angelus,they should also try putting hordcore porn on late at night to repent for the huge burden that has been put on the nation for all those years of watching praying and listening to it
And what about all those islamic TV stations on sky,are those asses ever going to stop talking about allah,i mean it's the 21th century,we are all too modern,smart,civilised to be bothered with it
We should also give up any little traditions that we have in OUR country just in case we offend a non national

Ag marbh

Bin it and help encourage the fall of religion in these modern times.

Zombrex

Ag marbh wrote:

Bin it and help encourage the fall of religion in these modern times.

Amen

oscarBravo

I was working on the roof of a church steeple this afternoon. Instead of a bell, they have four huge loudspeakers that blast out eighteen electronic bongs at 6pm.

Whatever about RTE, I could have done without the deafening I got this evening...! :eek:

Gray

The Angelus is also about Irish heritege which is mainly Catholic, you don't need to go changing things just because there are now more non-Irish & non-Catholic in the country. And before anyone calls me a racist I'm non-Irish & non-Catholic, if things like this bothered me would not have come here.

ateam

Gray wrote:

The Angelus is also about Irish heritege which is mainly Catholic, you don't need to go changing things just because there are now more non-Irish & non-Catholic in the country. And before anyone calls me a racist I'm non-Irish & non-Catholic, if things like this bothered me would not have come here.

I am Irish and a Catholic..the Angelus gives no sense of heritage to me. It's dated, unnecessary and a waste of money. I am a firm supporter of religion being thought in the family and at home...in this way, religion isn't imposed on people if they don't want it. The Angelus falls into this category.

I support the zombies and bells. Those upset by it deserve to be.

magick

no i think it should be kept on air , its like the simpsons , although i dont watch too much id miss it if it was gone

Zebra3

Get rid of it!!

And maybe have one minute of ads at 6pm to reflect our new religion.

zuma

Everyday when its on I just change the channel and see whats on the others for the following minute.

Personially I think it should be further watered down or the 1 minute used for public announcements or something.

I have NEVER seen any relation or anyone else pray when the angelus bells are rung....but my Father used to bless himself when it played years ago.

Gurgle

Gray wrote:

you don't need to go changing things just because there are now more non-Irish & non-Catholic in the country

So, generally, under what circumstances should you go changing things?

Zombrex

Gray wrote:

The Angelus is also about Irish heritege which is mainly Catholic, you don't need to go changing things just because there are now more non-Irish & non-Catholic in the country. And before anyone calls me a racist I'm non-Irish & non-Catholic, if things like this bothered me would not have come here.

Irish heritage as in Catholic Ireland cira 1950s ... er, no thanks I think that is some heritage we can do without (violent priests, Catholic oppression, single mothers disappearing, orphanages etc)

Whiskeyjack

My god people it's just one minute during the day.This is political correctness taken too far.

ateam

Whiskeyjack wrote:

My god people it's just one minute during the day.This is political correctness taken too far.

I knew someone would mention political correctness! It isn't. It's 2006 and Irelands national channel is broadcasting the Angelus..it is just ridiculous.

Freelancer

Whiskeyjack wrote:

My god people it's just one minute during the day.This is political correctness taken too far.

There was a priest on the radio a number of years back, trying to defend the angelus, his defence was two fold

1) well now the protestants get y'know mass on the telly at Christmas, so it balances it out.

2) Ah sure wheres the harm? And it'd be a mess of trouble to get rid of it, why would you want to be doing with that sort of carry on.

Well, he won me over.....


How about we share it, y'know, change it on passover to a Jewish theme, Ramadan for a Muslim theme, y'know mix it up a bit.......

Whats that De Valera? spinning in your grave again? Honestly he never stops these days.

Zombrex

Whiskeyjack wrote:

My god people it's just one minute during the day.This is political correctness taken too far.

It would be absolutely no trouble to stop it, it would cost nothing, hardly anyone would miss it, why keep it?

I really wish people would stop saying "Its only one minute". If its only one minute you wont mind losing it will ya?

Far Corfe

No the Angelus should remain until RTE has polled its licence holders.

dathi1

Don't worry! Juts like Boltham, Marseille etc The Angelus will be replaced by ALLLLAAAAHHHH UUURRRR AAKKKBARRRR!! 5 times a day across Dublin and other major Irish Cities by 2020. If you think the Church was bad...you aint seen nothin yet!

Keep it up lads. At this rate we'll have an Islamic republic by then.

You cant have cribbs in James hospital...but you must provide a Muslim prayer room!

You cant have Christmas decorations...but you must facilitate our Hijab

You cant have the Angelus....but you must facilitate our calling to prayer from Minarets across Dublin. (coming soon)

Like most of the Neoliberal Europhiles you're like lambs to you're own self prepared slaughter.

Freelancer

Far Corfe wrote:

No the Angelus should remain until RTE has polled its licence holders.

I'm sorry the who and the what now?

For starts the Angelus wasn't put in at the behest of the licence payers it was put in at the behest of the Archbishops, so its not like it was a democratic decision to have it there in the first place.

Secondly, its a national service its not a democracy. If the licence fee payers had their way in the decision making process, Gaybo would be doing the late late until his corpse started to decompose (and some how he'd still come off more life like and natural then Kenny) Glenroe would still be running, and the producers of "The big bow wow" would have their heads on spikes rotting outside montrose.

Zombrex

dathi1 wrote:

Don't worry! Juts like Boltham, Marseille etc The Angelus will be replaced by ALLLLAAAAHHHH UUURRRR AAKKKBARRRR!! 5 times a day across Dublin and other major Irish Cities by 2020. If you think the Church was bad...you aint seen nothin yet!

Keep it up lads. At this rate we'll have an Islamic republic by then.

You cant have cribbs in James hospital...but you must provide a Muslim prayer room!

You cant have Christmas decorations...but you must facilitate our Hijab

You cant have the Angelus....but you must facilitate our calling to prayer from Minarets across Dublin. (coming soon)

Like most of the Neoliberal Europhiles you're like lambs to you're own self prepared slaughter.

Yes because naturally while us neo-liberals are destroy the Christian-State connection that has lasted for hundreds of years, we will allow a Islamic-State connection to take its place ... obviously, thats much better :rolleyes:

Oh, wait, no I forgot, the liberals like myself want a complete sepeartion of church and state.

Freelancer

dathi1 wrote:

Don't worry! Juts like Boltham, Marseille etc The Angelus will be replaced by ALLLLAAAAHHHH UUURRRR AAKKKBARRRR!! 5 times a day across Dublin and other major Irish Cities by 2020. If you think the Church was bad...you aint seen nothin yet!

Keep it up lads. At this rate we'll have an Islamic republic by then.

You cant have cribbs in James hospital...but you must provide a Muslim prayer room!

You cant have Christmas decorations...but you must facilitate our Hijab

You cant have the Angelus....but you must facilitate our calling to prayer from Minarets across Dublin. (coming soon)

Like most of the Neoliberal Europhiles you're like lambs to you're own self prepared slaughter.

Are you like channeling the spirit of Pim Fortuyn here or something?

People just suggested our national broadcaster makes a nod towards other religions and you're claiming that the next step will be Sharia law. Wow thats insecurity.

Far Corfe

Far Corfe wrote:

No the Angelus should remain until RTE has polled its licence holders.

So everyone that holds a TV License? Okies.

Whiskeyjack wrote:

My god people it's just one minute during the day.This is political correctness taken too far.

I wouldn't see it as being anything to do with being PC. I don't think any religious grouping has come out and demanded that the Angelus be removed.

Personally I view the Angelus as being part of Irelands history which we no longer need. The numbers of practicing catholics in Ireland is dropping consistently, and the Angelus just serves the much older generations.

There is a habit in Ireland to dismiss anything that only takes a few minutes or seconds as being immaterial. However, RTE is still viewed (at least by myself and many of my friends) as being a very amateurish operation. The Angelus reinforces that impression, since it harks back to a time where Ireland was a backwater country, with little or no involvement in the rest of the world.

My vote would be to get rid of it.

bonkey

Far Corfe wrote:

No the Angelus should remain until RTE has polled its licence holders.

Indeed.

Just as we are polled on which movies we'd like to watch over Christmas, which presenters we'd like on the news, when the watershed should be, and so on.....

jc