Vrt.....

5500

Ok im just looking for a few pointers,firstly how accurate is the revenue site for quotes?

I priced the car i want for vrt before christmas and it was roughly 1200e,happy days i thought as it would be older in 2006 and more than likely cheaper.

WRONG!

Its since gone up to 2200 or 2600 depending on the year.What the hell is going on here?!?

When you take the car into the country and go in to clear it,are you charged the vrt on the book value AND condition of the car?Can you haggle in anyway or *remove* some bumpers hence making the car look worth less?

I cant figure out how they can justify a 1000euro increase in only a few weeks at all

Anan1

Are you sure the two quotes were for EXACTLY the same car? Did you print off the first quote? What are the full details of the car?

kluivert

Thats wrong very wrong, make sure what you put matches the exact details of the car.

I have been down to the VRO in Dundalk and they use the same site the calculate it out. So what ever you get of the site is teh exact same as what the VRO officer is going to charge you.

ondafly

same thing happened to me.

Went over to UK on 5th of Feb this year, to pick up a TT. VRT was 3700, came back to Ireland on the Monday, and checked the site, it had increased to 4400.

My M3 cost 3100 to clear last year, and dropped to 1700 in January, and increased again to 4700 in February. The prices go up and down all the time.

Bluehair

eireal wrote:

I cant figure out how they can justify a 1000euro increase in only a few weeks at all

We were bitching about this recently on the bmw forums. There was an even bigger increase in e36 M3s a while ago (closer to 2 grand increase i believe) and when confronted about it one of the staff in Santry vrt admited that the site is tracked and if there's particular interest in one model they 'modify' the vrt upwards :eek:

Pretty shocking tbh :mad:

5500

Anan1 wrote:

Are you sure the two quotes were for EXACTLY the same car? Did you print off the first quote? What are the full details of the car?

There for the exact same car for sure but i dont have the quote from before xmas.

Its a 99 or 00 Honda civic 2door coupe Vti non jap import.

One of my mates vrt'd his in december and it was 1200 on the button,i checked yesterday and its coming in at 2200

kluivert

Would this have anything got to do with the increase in the value of the second hand car market.

This is a good point but who ever heard of a car increasing in value. It sounds stupid but only in Ireland could still happen so I wouldnt be surprised.

So if 100 people take it the same car, the open market value of the car goes up, that crazy in my opinion, even a year later the open market value of the car doesnt go up.

Cars dont appreciate and this is something that I would give the Department of Finance a ring about.

5500

From asking around aparently the open market price has risen hence the increase.First time ive ever heard of appreciation in a second hand car!

Im gonna give the vrt office a bell and see what they have to say,asides from them are there any other governing bodies or someone to point out the rise to?

kluivert

The Department of Finance Minister.

Rudolph Claus

There for the exact same car for sure but i dont have the quote from before xmas.

Its a 99 or 00 Honda civic 2door coupe Vti non jap import.

One of my mates vrt'd his in december and it was 1200 on the button,i checked yesterday and its coming in at 2200

Hey Eireal,
I vrt`d my uk import civic coupe 1.6 Non vtec there in March. I was getting quoted 1366 exactly in February and when i went to pay it was the same, but she knocked E14 off somehow. (the lad i bought the civic off never bothered to vrt it but he had a print out of the quote he had got in Oct`05 for 1130,,,,,,,, so from then to Mar`06 the car had miraciously APPRECIATED to E1366.

I tried the same details there now on the vrt site and its coming in at E1583.

Are yo usure you have the same details as the 1st quote you got? I dont think the mileage makes much difference unless its over 100k miles. If you enter a car with 50000 and same details again with 99000miles theres not much difference. But if you go over 100k miles a few hundred is knocked off.

Robbing fooks either way.
I wasnt gonna bother road taxing my civic,(reckon i paid enough tax) but they wont send out the log book until i tax the car. :mad:

On a seperate note, i thought commercial vehicles like car/vans were at a set vrt price if bringing in, like E55 or something? Anyone know more on this?

5500

Yep im definitly imputting the same details,i rang the office earlier and got some biddy on the phone.She said that even if i had the quote from before xmas it wouldnt matter,they have raised the pricing of the car,when i asked her why she said she didnt know and that you have to pay it either ways.

Roll over for a shafting so!

ando

eireal wrote:

they have raised the pricing of the car,when i asked her why she said she didnt know

ffs, thats just typical

Seth Brundle

The quote you recieve is for that exact particular point in time and is effectively just a guide. You will not know the exact amount of VRT payable until they give it to you in writing.

As for cars appreciating - cars that become classics tend to be more sought after than regular old cars. Take the E30 BMW for example. What is appening now is that demand for these as second cars has increased (for weekend, track or drifting use) and the VRT is reflecting this.
Also as more E30s are bought and sold, some try and sell an immaculate car for a higher price. Others then try and sell crappier cars for a similar price which fuels the price rises and subsequently the VRT rates.

kluivert

Last nite I was on other car forums and they seem to be having the same issue with the VRT.

Who do you complain to, this is just due to the influx of imports. Jump on the gravy train is all they are doing.

Anyway there is a way to avoid VRT and that is a transfer of a business. Think about this one.

5500

kluivert wrote:

Anyway there is a way to avoid VRT and that is a transfer of a business. Think about this one.

Can you elabortae abit more on that or whats needed to do it?

I rang another vrt office and the quote was the same,she said that they use the exact same system as the online one.I told her it was cheaper in november and she said alot of honda civics are being imported hence the raise in vrt - dam you jap importers!

She couldnt point me in any direction to complain about it either

kluivert

eireal wrote:

Can you elabortae abit more on that or whats needed to do it?

There is a VRT relief on the transfer of a business activity, transfer of residence and inhertiance. Transfer of residence and inhertiance is self explainatory. But a transfer of a business activity mmm.....this needs to be define.

Importation of capital goods other equipment and livestock from non-EC countries without payment of import charges on the transfer of business activities.

Capital goods and other equipment belonging to undertakings established outside the EC which definitively cease their activity and move to the State in order to carry on a similar activity here, may be imported free of import charges, subject to compliance with the provisions of this Part.

I thought I was on something - well maybe not.

Kimbot

Al sorry but the VRT has rissen due to the amount of cars coming into the country and being popular!! I will get you an email address of someone in here to complain to and PM it to you if there is one!!

I think tho that the ombudsman is the only place to go to!!

http://ombudsman.gov.ie/en/

Mailman

Ombudsman is not involved in VRT appeals - you have to use the VRT appeals process and to win the commissioner must be satisfied that the OMSP is actually lower than published on the ROS site - the onus is on you to prove this, not on Revenue to justify their valuation.
Pretty much impossible to disprove a high OMSP valuation if you are looking to import a specialist vehicle which has sold in tiny quantities on the Irish market.
They'll bring a supposedly independent witness who will side with them and the commissioner will through your appeal out there and then.

kluivert

Mailman wrote:

Ombudsman is not involved in VRT appeals - you have to use the VRT appeals process and to win the commissioner must be satisfied that the OMSP is actually lower than published on the ROS site - the onus is on you to prove this, not on Revenue to justify their valuation.
Pretty much impossible to disprove a high OMSP valuation if you are looking to import a specialist vehicle which has sold in tiny quantities on the Irish market.
They'll bring a supposedly independent witness who will side with them and the commissioner will through your appeal out there and then.

You have to first register the car, and then appeal am afraid.

Guys here the manual thanks to the freedom of information act

http://www.revenue.ie/services/foi/s16_2001/vrt_ins.pdf

All you need to know.

OMV is based on retailers.

MercMad

The only thing you can do is pay up and then appeal and I've never heard of any refunds !

Maybe its not such a good thing to play around with this website at all, you only generate hits and force the costs up !

Vegeta

This is crazy, i fvckin hate this countries government they are sh1te, makes me sick