Post Car Crash Feelings

shroomfox

Big Nelly wrote:

I said when I started to drive, about 10 years ago and believe me the roads where brutal then, as you said they have got alot better but it took the 10 years to get there

Woops, apologies, must have misread you. Yeah, they were brutal.

And why did I say in the last year? Man, I've got to take my head out of this cabbage.

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

Aside from the surface of the roads, just the amount of bends on Irish roads is madness, and I would think a major factor in accidents.
I know there is noting that can be done about the bends, but a great idea I saw when over in New Zealand and Australia was these signs before you enter every bend giving the average speed the bend can be taken at (if that speed is less than the speed limit). It means that if you are driving a road you don't know, you always know how sharp the bend is before you enter it. As well as making the road safer it also saves time, because you are not unnecessarly breaking for what may be a very sharp bend but turns out to be a long sweeping one.
I don't know why something like that can't be implemented here.

This is gas, so you are blaming the turns on the road now? well really if you need a sign to tell you how fast you should be going around a cornor you souldn't be on the road. If you don't know how to control or handle a car then you are a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road so you should get the hell off the road before you kill someone

padraigmyers

Big Nelly wrote:

This is gas, so you are blaming the turns on the road now? well really if you need a sign to tell you how fast you should be going around a cornor you souldn't be on the road. If you don't know how to control or handle a car then you are a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road so you should get the hell off the road before you kill someone

So you think this would be a bad idea that has no merit then? Talk about missing the point, get a clue mate.

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

So you think this would be a bad idea that has no merit then? Talk about missing the point, get a clue mate.

What merits? wasting more money that could be used on upgrading the roads to start putting up thousands of signs to tell what speed to go around a cornor? you missed the point, if you need someone to tell you what speed to go around a cornor you shouldn't really be driving the car in the first place. It would suggest to me that if you need these signs you can't control your car etc and you are a danger on the road

padraigmyers

Big Nelly wrote:

What merits? wasting more money that could be used on upgrading the roads to start putting up thousands of signs to tell what speed to go around a cornor? you missed the point, if you need someone to tell you what speed to go around a cornor you shouldn't really be driving the car in the first place. It would suggest to me that if you need these signs you can't control your car etc and you are a danger on the road

I have driven various different cars (saloons, estates, 4x4's, campervans) in about 10 different countries. I have no problem navigating bends or controlling my car.

New Zealand has very similar roads to ours. Lots of small roads with lots of bends. When I was over there I was driving a hulking campervan, now if you are going into a bend when you are driving one of these you need to slow down a LOT in case the bend is sharp, because these things DON'T handle at all. Having these signs told you about the bend before you entered it, on a journey with a lot of bends (and with the mountains over there, there were lots) these signs could knock about 25% off the journey time (espically at night).

These signs forewarn you about the sharpness of the corner. If you say you have never gone around a bend on a road you don't know either too fast or too slow you are lying (or psychic).

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

I have driven various different cars (saloons, estates, 4x4's, campervans) in about 10 different countries. I have no problem navigating bends or controlling my car.

Well done, so have I....arnt we great:D

padraigmyers wrote:

New Zealand has very similar roads to ours. Lots of small roads with lots of bends. When I was over there I was driving a hulking campervan, now if you are going into a bend when you are driving one of these you need to slow down a LOT in case the bend is sharp, because these things DON'T handle at all. Having these signs told you about the bend before you entered it, on a journey with a lot of bends (and with the mountains over there, there were lots) these signs could knock about 25% off the journey time (espically at night).

Well as I said above this shows you where not in control of the vehicle, from what you are saying you where going around cornors(even with those great signs) and more or less losing control of the vehicule.

Again as you mentioned the handling on that car was terrible so of course you would think you would realise this and take it slower around the roads till you felt comfortable in it and that you could control it. Now are you saying that the signs has 10-12 differnent speeds levels for every type of vehicle that could come across the cornor? if not they are useless because every type of car, jeep, lorry etc can take cornors at differnet speeds so these great signs are the biggest waste of time and money

padraigmyers wrote:

These signs forewarn you about the sharpness of the corner. If you say you have never gone around a bend on a road you don't know either too fast or too slow you are lying (or psychic).

Nope, sorry I know how to control my car and how to judge a cornor, also you can actually brake when going round a cornor, you dont just have to weave all over the place out of control

Lying? psychic? neither, just now how to drive properly

peasant

Big Nelly ...you're talking rubbish.

The non-handling campervan is an extreme but perfect example.

Driving one of those yokes at night on an unknown, bendy road, you cannot judge/ guess / anticipate the bends, so you have to be prepared for the worst.

(Because one thing you certainly can't do is break in the corner ...bye,bye motorhome)

So you either end up at driving at 40 - 50 km/h all the time ...or in the ditch.


To a lesser degree this applies to any other sort of vehicle.

So yes, these indication signs are a brilliant idea.

padraigmyers

Big Nelly wrote:

Well done, so have I....arnt we great:D

Yawn.... You were classing me as a **** driver, I was just making the point. Have you seen these signs on your travels?

Big Nelly wrote:

Again as you mentioned the handling on that car was terrible so of course you would think you would realise this and take it slower around the roads till you felt comfortable in it and that you could control it. Now are you saying that the signs has 10-12 different speeds levels for every type of vehicle that could come across the cornor? if not they are useless because every type of car, jeep, lorry etc can take cornors at differnet speeds so these great signs are the biggest waste of time and money

No. Just one speed, you learn after the first few bends where fit in here. In a car you can go about 30km more than the sign says safely, in a campervan, you go about the same as the sign says.

Big Nelly wrote:

Nope, sorry I know how to control my car and how to judge a cornor, also you can actually brake when going round a cornor, you dont just have to weave all over the place out of control.

Look, I've been driving on Irish roads for a long time, I don't weave all over the place out of control, your making a lot of assumptions about my driving here. Its just that over in Oz and NZ these signs really did make driving at night on roads I didn't know a lot easier.

I have no interest in getting into an argument about my driving here. I was just making a point. Fair enough you don't agree. I was just putting it out there. I'd be confident that any one who has actually been over there and seen and used these sign would side with me.

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

I have no interest in getting into an argument about my driving here. I was just making a point. Fair enough you don't agree. I was just putting it out there. I'd be confident that any one who has actually been over there and seen and used these sign would side with me.

How do you know I havent been over there????:D

padraigmyers

Big Nelly wrote:

How do you know I havent been over there????:D

Becasue you said that you would need a different rating for every type of vechicle. Anyone who had driven over there would know thats not true.

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

Becasue you said that you would need a different rating for every type of vechicle. Anyone who had driven over there would know thats not true.

Well you agreed with that part so you have lost your arguement, do you think every car/lorry has the same cornoring ability? if so you are wrong and the signs will give a wrong indication to the driver of the car/lorry on what speed they can take a cornor. You can't just stick up and sign and put a speed on it, let say the speed is for a car and next thing a lorry takes the cornor at same speed and crashes? Government are at fault and the driver can sue

Anyone? well I have loads of friend, girlfriend etc who where over there, remember the RTE one programs few years ago about the Irish in Oz, they where all my mates. They have never mentioned these signs, girlfriend was in Oz/NZ last year and she said she hadnt noticed them either. Sound like a pure joke to me, next thing people will be asking for someone to take the cornor for them

peasant

They do speed indication signs on twisty Italian mountain roads as well ...

... and in Germany they just lower the speed limit for dangerous stretches (and put up a speed camera)

padraigmyers

Big Nelly wrote:

Well you agreed with that part so you have lost your arguement, do you think every car/lorry has the same cornoring ability? if so you are wrong and the signs will give a wrong indication to the driver of the car/lorry on what speed they can take a cornor. You can't just stick up and sign and put a speed on it, let say the speed is for a car and next thing a lorry takes the cornor at same speed and crashes? Government are at fault and the driver can sue

Anyone? well I have loads of friend, girlfriend etc who where over there, remember the RTE one programs few years ago about the Irish in Oz, they where all my mates. They have never mentioned these signs, girlfriend was in Oz/NZ last year and she said she hadnt noticed them either. Sound like a pure joke to me, next thing people will be asking for someone to take the cornor for them

OK, you win.

Tellox

Had my first carcrash there last summer. The driver was showing off, doing 110kmph out the back roads, and ploughed straight into a wall. Cant even remember it actually happening - I remember the noises and feelings very very clearly though. I think I went straight into deniel - I was texting,I believe, and when I heard the screeching and the screaming, I thought "Stop showing off *drivers name*". Of course, I felt the pain from the crash, which was fairly bad - did a right job on my back(Still gets sore), and got a nice scar down the right hand side of my neck from the seatbelt.

Once I saw the shattered windscreen, I still didnt really believe it happened. When the smoke started pouring out through the vents, I wasnt sitting around in deniel any more. The driver couldnt open the door, it was jammed. But I was more worried about the important things. I patted myself on the chest a few times to make sure I was still alive. Once I felt that, I went to take off my shoe to bust open a window and get out - when the driver finally managed to use the door handle.

So the 3 of us hopped out, and the car was in a hilarious state - all the windows were shattered, the front of the car was non-exsistant, and the whole chassis was warped. But hang on, wasnt there 4 of us in there car?

The 4th was hanging out the front passenger window, after smashing through it. Covered in blood, and not moving.

Thankfully she came around. The firebrigade had to cut her out of the wreck. Luckily for her, she cant remember any of the incident. We all got stretchered out to hospital in ambulances - apart from the driver. He ran off to find one of his dogs, who was in the back, and ran up the road after the wreck. So I spent the majority of my time explaining to cops that it actually was his car, and that we werent joyriding. The then the minority of my time explaining that he's tax'd, insured, has a license etc etc etc. Joy.

I had a 12hr wait in the hospital before I was seen - despite the fact that I was stretchered in, and couldnt move my arm or neck. We crashed at about 4pm friday - I got home at about 8am on saturday. I was talking to a few gaurd's and doctors about the crash, they were fairly amazed we survived. And I lied about the speed we were going too, so the driver wouldnt get done for it. What a lovely chap I am.

Have had a little bit of fear inside me every time I step into a car now - I try not to let it be known publicly though, since I hate nervous backseat drivers too.

maidhc

padraigmyers wrote:

OK, you win.

Cop out. You had the better argument

It is very easy to go into a corner too fast (even if you an uber cool l33t driver...) and I suspect that most accidents caused by "speeding" are due to this. While a speed indicator for every corner might be superflous, a sign of some description indicating you are headed for a sharpish bend would probably save many more lives than the ubiquitous speed cameras on motorways.

Cerdito

Tellox wrote:

Had my first carcrash there last summer. The driver was showing off, doing 110kmph out the back roads, and ploughed straight into a wall.

This makes me sad . What was he showing off, his ability to put other peoples' lives in danger? I know that when I have passengers in the car, I'm doubly aware of the fact that I'm responsible for their safety and, to a lesser extent, their peace of mind and confidence in me as a driver. Personally, I hate being a passenger with someone driving like a maniac.

padraigmyers

maidhc wrote:

Cop out. You had the better argument

I know, but really I don't have time to convince a guy like that of my point of view. Some people just like arguing on the Internet for the sake of it. He just kept coming back with more and more ridiculous points and refused to see any of mine. When he came back with the one about suing the government, I just assumed he was a troll.

Maybe I should have put [SARCASM] tags around "You win", but I thought that was obvious.

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

I know, but really I don't have time to convince a guy like that of my point of view. Some people just like arguing on the Internet for the sake of it. He just kept coming back with more and more ridiculous points and refused to see any of mine. When he came back with the one about suing the government, I just assumed he was a troll.

Maybe I should have put [SARCASM] tags around "You win", but I thought that was obvious.

Ridiculous points? your the one that wants a sign on every bend in the road in this country. Some people really are stupid, Thank God your not in government, would waste millions putting up signs with incorrect info so you will be able to take a cornor?

You still have not answered my question about cornoring? if a lorry comes up and see the sign saying a speed limit for a cornor, goes around the cornor at that speed and the truck turns over of course he can sue the people that put that sign up. It was wrong information for the lorry.

Your point was exactly? you can't control your car correctly and don't know how to cornor correctly so want the government to waste millions putting up signs to tell you what speed you need to be at to go around a cornor? Great idea:rolleyes:

Also Im not a troll, just pointing out that putting up signs is a waste of money that the government needs to build better roads not waste on signs for learner drivers. Your the one that hasn't made one valid point as to why the signs are a good idea, only point you made was that you where driving a van in NZ which you couldnt control and the signs helped you, so actual you where a danger on the road and should not have been driving in the first place if you cant control the car/van. All we have gained from your posts is that your not a very safe driver

padraigmyers

Big Nelly wrote:

You still have not answered my question about cornoring? if a lorry comes up and see the sign saying a speed limit for a cornor, goes around the cornor at that speed and the truck turns over of course he can sue the people that put that sign up. It was wrong information for the lorry.

From above

padraigmyers wrote:

No. Just one speed, you learn after the first few bends where you fit in here. In a car you can go about 30km more than the sign says safely, in a campervan, you go about the same as the sign says.

Big Nelly wrote:

Your the one that hasn't made one valid point as to why the signs are a good idea, only point you made was that you where driving a van in NZ which you couldnt control and the signs helped you, so actual you where a danger on the road and should not have been driving in the first place if you cant control the car/van. All we have gained from your posts is that your not a very safe driver

I'm sorry, your only point seams to be that I'm a bad driver. This is the usual drivil that every argument on here seams to end up as. You just keep on going on about me being not able to control my car. Why all the personal insults?
See below:

Big Nelly wrote:

Your point was exactly? you can't control your car correctly and don't know how to cornor correctly so want the government to waste millions putting up signs to tell you what speed you need to be at to go around a cornor? Great idea:rolleyes:

Look, it works perfectly well in Oz and NZ, and as peasant mentioned it is used in other countries. The issue isn't wheather it can be implemented. You don't think its a good idea, I do, fair enough. Lets agree to differ.....it really doesn't matter. I was only making a suggestion based on something I saw that I thought worked well, wasn't looking for a slagging match.

peasant

It's corner and cornering ...you expert

Big Nelly

padraigmyers wrote:

Why all the personal insults?

Do you know what a personal insult is? I don't do personal insults. You are the one saying Im a troll

TempestSabre

Only an idiot drives too fast around a corner they don't know. If its a dangerous bend then it should be marked as such. That already happens. A stupid person will ignore a sign anyway. Simple fact is the laws are not being enforced enough to deter people from breaking the law.

If there were decent detail stats on accidents we would have some idea what are the main causes of accidents and how to avoid them. But we don't so everyones just guessing what the accidents are caused by.

The Muppet

Big Nelly wrote:

What??? so you cant tick the same box or some other prov driver? thats another bullsh*t excuse. I haven't a clue what she ticked to be honest but if she can get a test why can't someone else??

When I done my test years ago it was alot worse than now but I followed up and it only took me a month to get my test. Seems if someone wants to do the test they can do it.

Have you ever driven on a provisional without a qualified driver with you?

Big Nelly

The Muppet wrote:

Have you ever driven on a provisional without a qualified driver with you?

No, imagine that I obey the laws!

The Muppet

Big Nelly wrote:

No, imagine that I obey the laws!

You would not necessarily be breaking the law by doing so. I don't believe you when you say you have not. Mind you don't have a nasty fall off that high horse you are on.

Big Nelly

The Muppet wrote:

You would not necessarily be breaking the law by doing so. I don't believe you when you say you have not. Mind you don't have a nasty fall off that high horse you are on.

Not my problem is everyone out there thinks its ok to flout the law, I don't so your having a go at me for doing so? I can tell you I never drove without a license driver with me when I was supposed to have one. Really when I got first car the first thing I done was get a test and passed it first time.