US: 2X18 - "Dave" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "DAVE" -

Episode Title: "Dave"
Airdate: April 5th 2006

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Libby lends a helping hand to Hurley to support him when he begins to think the island is having a strange effect on him, and Locke's sense of purpose is shaken when the prisoner gives him new information about the hatch.

Next New Episode: 2X19 - "S.O.S" - April 12th 2006

Basq

6

Nice swift title for tonight's episode!

Will it be as good or popular as last week's episode? Last week's typically being regarded as the best of the season so far and also the most discussed episode so far this season with 116 posts and almost 3000 views... it is second only to "The Lost Babe Picture thread" - shocker there!

popinfresh

8

Locke's sense of purpose is shaken when the prisoner gives him new information about the hatch

Cant wait for that.

And I'm way off here but I have a funny feeling that Henry Gale will turn out to be the leader of the others.

Ciaran500

7

Thought there was another gap this week. Pleasent suprise ^_^

lost_rocks

9

i can't wait i think it's gonna be awesome !

Ciaran500

7

You are meant to vote AFTER you have seen the episode "lost_rocks" :rolleyes:

PullMyFinger!

What time does it air at?

mr_angry

I find myself wondering what "Henry" can possibly tell Locke about the hatch that will shake his sense of purpose, aside from the possibility that its all an experiment into human psychology. That would back-up Jack's initial assessment of the situation, and what happened last week with the timer supposedly running down. Apart from that though, I can't really imagine what he's gonna come out with.

Basq

6

mr_angry wrote:

Apart from that though, I can't really imagine what he's gonna come out with.

I wouldn't rely on the wording of the TV.com synopsis - they always make even the littlest details sound mucho-dramatic!

danbhala

7

i want it i want it i want it

Duffman

PullMyFinger! wrote:

What time does it air at?

9/8c although I didn't watch it because I just can't stand that many ads. :P

thewools

7

7/10

Not much happened however could see the Libby story come a mile away....no doubt there is abigger picture to her now!! not enough detail into the "Henry" story would have liked to see them get abit more info from him!! And is "Henry" tying to trcik Locke....mmmmmm maybe???

However another hurley classic....cracks me up so he does!!!

Sherifu

7

Some memorable quotes, (as best i remember )
Sawyer to Hurley: 'I have enough food to open up a minimart, think Sayids looking for a job?"
Sawyer to Kate: 'Don't you have an adventure to get to, I hear timmy falling down a well over that way.'
Good old Sawyer :D

Sawyer getting beat up by Hurley was funny, it was like a polar bear against a bunny rabbit
Will Henrys assertion shake Lockes faith? or is Henry lying?
They could have used the 'It was all a dream' way out for Lost, that was their chance and they blew it.
Didn't see the twist with Libby at the end coming, more questions.

a 7.5 for me

tails2

id agree. ill give it a 7/10

not much to go overly mad about in this ep.

i could see the whole

imaginary friend thing

a mile away. as for the drop, nothing major either. they seem to be answering a lot of fans questions in this one though. just small but popular questions.

i did like how they threw the whole

your in a coma, this is all in your head

thing in there. tha twas great. as for the rest of the ep. i dont think they are using the characters as good as before. not much happening with sayid or kate or jack or sawyer or charlie. they are the best characters.
aww well. another break now. at least it didnt leave it on a big cliffhanger for a few weeks anyways.

stevejazzx

5

poor episode,

the food thing really bugged me, they were wasting all that food before they even knew there was a supply drop, why not just give the food to the others...anyways the dave character was nice but he was obviously an imaginary character(i don't even think the writers really tried to hide that) and waht was nice was the turn around on the island the imaginary character telling hurley he s imagining things, and trying to get him to commit suicide was I believe an attempt by dharma to kill off hurley because he's carrying the curse of the numbers with him,
but it seems just as likely that Libby is interested in Hurley for the same reason, the numbers, so possibly there are two fractions at war on the island for control of the losties,

libby = good dharma,
dave = bad dharna

the henry gale comment that god can't see the island just as the rest of the world can't see the island is an indication that they are perhaps in hell(we've had many mentions of cerebus - the guardian of the dooway to hell) or some kinda fabricated reality or purgatory created by the di,
it seems that the one major objective of the di is the spirtual advancement/or next evolutionary step for human being (read restroring lost sun and z2 numbers threads on fuselage) then this island would make some sense, however henry gales is currently not adding up, if he's from dharma who are controlling everything then the only logic is that he is testing lockes faith, i.e that button does nothing,are you still going to believe in it and push it?
perhaps that unskakable kinda faith is exactly what dhama need for their team.....
the theme of gatewyas i think is huge, jins father owned the seoul gateway hotel in korea and he is obviously tied in with dharma so my new offical theory is that dharma are invovled in retrieving lost souls from hell or purgatory or helping souls move from one stage to the next? this would explain why the cerebus is guarding the area where magnus hanso is buried?
I've also read the magnus hanso thread on the fuselage and it links magnus back to a priest who was the keeper to the box of secrets which contained everlasting life so this also ties in with the idea of raisnig the dead or retreiving souls from limbo.....
oh its time lunch...

jArgHA

5

Nyah, average enough episode but I guess after Lockdown they had to throw in a quieter flashback ep.

Some fairly good character development on Hurley's part but I can't understand why he hasn't been seeing Dave since the start of LOST - surely he suffers from schizophrenia and he hasn't been on medication for this since he arrived on the island (when he asked Sawyer for the meds, Sawyer had not heard of that drug before). It just seemed a bit sudden that this imaginary friend suddenly pops up with no prior indications that Hurley has such hallucinations.

Was good to see Sawyer getting whooped by Hurley.

I'll give it a 6

stevejazzx wrote:

the theme of gatewyas i think is huge, jins father owned the seoul gateway hotel in korea and he is obviously tied in with dharma so my new offical theory is that dharma are invovled in retrieving lost souls from hell or purgatory or helping souls move from one stage to the next? this would explain why the cerebus is guarding the area where magnus hanso is buried?

steve if your right i'll eat my hat!

Hyzepher

I actually thought it was an excellent episode - but then again I not one of those people who is watching the show just for the sake of the mysteries.

The character interaction was great and we got to learn a lot about Hurley and Libby.

I don't subscribe to the notion that Dharma are controlling things - it just doesn't make any sense - I feel Dharma are as much a victim as the rest of the people on the island.

Henry is obviously lying and lying and lying and I don't think he is done lying despite what he says. Even as Sayid caught him lie after lie he kept on lying - Daneille said he would lie for a long time and he is.

I don't think we can guess his motives from what we have seen up to this point but it is obvious that he knows the "Others" etc. It is also interesting that Kate never told anyone about the false beard etc as Anna still used it as a reference.

Hyzepher

kaimera

7

8/10.

As with others, saw the whole Dave thing shortly into it but it was an interesting insight into Hurley imo.

Some vg lines from Sawyer indeed. *chuckle*

Thought the whole island isn't real thing a bit out there tbh but really dunno what to think of Libby now.
In the same hospital as Hurley. wtf?

Hard to follow Lockedown I guess.

stevejazzx

5

Hyzepher wrote:

I don't subscribe to the notion that Dharma are controlling things - it just doesn't make any sense - I feel Dharma are as much a victim as the rest of the people on the island.

Hyzepher

if thye're not controlling things, who is? who is responsible for the supply drop, who created the electromagnetic field, obviously dharma! they've said they are studying electromagnetism, alos juxtapositional eugenics (the placement of people or groups of people in situation and circumstances indusive to procreation, the map also clearly underlines further studies of the genetic modification of polar bears and even weather programs etc, the name dharma is branded onto everything on the island even sharks!!!! they know all the losties names...they set up bases on the island for monitorisation, they've been on the island for over 20 years at least...and you don't think they're controlling everything??

possibly the island s mysterious forces is something they can't control, but the losties, without doubt!

Peace

4

Other than the stuff from Henry Gale there was nothing to write home about in this one. 5/10.

Splendid

5

Is Eko building a church? Is he letting Charlie help him a form of penance?

I think Libby is playing Hurley, don't know why, it's just at the end Hurley asks do you think i can change? She says yes, but then pulls a face as if the thought of Hurley repulses her.

Dundalk Online

8

i swear... if this is all hurley's dream i will go faking mental.. i will travel to america and shoot JJ Abrams stone dead.

If this is anyone's dream or something silly like that I will hunt and kill all people involved in Lost...

Dundalk Online

8

On a lighter note...

Lost IS airing again next week... "Wednesday, April 12 at 9/8c
'S.O.S.'" thats taken from ABC.com... check it yourself...

I agree with above poster.. i think Ecko is building a church, getting charlie involved because he thought it would be a good idea.

The bit about (ep19 spoiler)>>> Our guys hiking into the jungle to trade with the others will be a very good storyline<<<

I thought the episode was good, but it would have been nice to have seen more of our friend henry.

Sauron

9

Dundalk Online wrote:

i swear... if this is all hurley's dream i will go faking mental..

I think the conclusion reached at the end of the episode was that it was not Hurley's dream or anything like that.. The common consensus is that the writers brought that into this episode in answer to such theories,for one, just to tease them a bit, but the overall purpose was to rubbish them.

I liked this episode actually, though I, like most, figured out the Dave thing even during the basketball game. In retrospect it probably was deliberate, for whatever reason.

Some classic Sawyer moments as well...

I enjoyed the interrogation of the prisoner formerly known as Henry Gale.

I didn't see the last shot of Libby coming tbh..I guess I never thought about it, but it'll surely provide for some interesting future backstories.

Overall, I was satisfied with this ep... looking forward to the next one.. whenever it is..

monomaniac

5

Agree with everything that's been said so far - lack of Henry material very disappointing.

SO did Hurley imagine the slipper and Dave throwing the rock at him? Did Jack imagine seeing his father walking through the jungle? Did Kate and Sawyer see the horse that once saved Kate's life? Did Shannon and Sayid imagine seeing Walt? Did Sawyer imagine he heard voices saying "It'll come back around". The list could probably go on.

If it turns out that Libby was obssessed with Hurley and followed him to Australia and back then I'll be pretty disappointed. I'm hoping she'll play a part in the bigger picture. It can't just be another of those lost cross-overs.

I do reckon
a) henry allowed himself to be captured on purpose.
b) he entered the numbers - he definitely entered them after the countdown hit zero but I don't think all the hyrogliphics appeared up.

Trailers for next week look good.

Locke's trying to remember the map and Jack's gone and crossed the line. Also Henry knows of Walt.

jor el

6

I would have thought someone would have already suggested this but here goes. Dave, is an other. He has the power of astral projection, in the way Walt has, and used this to project himself into Hurley's mind at the hospital. The Dave that Hurley sees on the island could be a mix of real and projections. Obviously a projection atthe end where he jumps, but real when he threw rocks at him.

Anyway that's my theory, it kind of came to me as I was watching it and realised Dave wasn't in the hospital.

Splendid wrote:

I think Libby is playing Hurley, don't know why, it's just at the end Hurley asks do you think i can change? She says yes, but then pulls a face as if the thought of Hurley repulses her.

I noticed that aswell. Kind of an evil villain 'I have you now Mr. Bond' look on her face. There's more to her for sure, which is good.

Henry Gale scenes, very dissappointing. Not nearly enough here. Hard to tell if he's lieing about the countdown though, it could be a test of Locke's resolve. He did seem scared of the 'Leader' though, who ever it is.

Anima

8

Great episode I thought. I didn't expect much, if any, new info on Henry and then for him to confess he was an other was pretty cool. I like the way he said Beardy wasn't important. This leaves me to believe that "the others" are really not in control of the situation as a whole.

Also the God comment Henry made is very interesting. Although I don't think the writers are going to foreshadow something as big as if the island is in another reality or heaven/hell/etc, in just one sentence.

9/10 for me anyway.

Takeshi_Kovacs

maybe the 'other formerly known as Henry Gale' believes he is in some kind of hell or limbo, which god can not see, and is so afraid of telling the truth about who is really in charge, that would let himself be shot by Sayid rather than telling him how many others there are out there..

Smurfpiss

1

that was worse than the charlie heroin episode. and it gets a two from me.
the most cliched hack written crap i have ever watched. really disappointed with and quite frankly, pissed off.
roll on next week.

Agamemnon

7

Not a bad episode. It was funny to see Hurley open a can of whup-ass on Sawyer. So who was projecting the images of Dave into Hurley's mind? And why make him kill himself? Didn't see the Libby bit at the end coming. She probably won't get a flashback episode this season cos too much would be revealed.

Metacortex

5

I give it about a 6/10.

It was nice to get some more background on Hurley and why he eats constantly because he blames himself for the accident.
Im getting very curious about Libby, she has been a little too non descript since the start of the season.

The lack of Gale this week was disappointing. It was nice to see Sayid punch some holes in his constant lying.
I don't like the idea that the whole thing could be a dream. Its a bit of a cop out but i don't see them going in that direction with the show.

Cina

agamemnon wrote:

Not a bad episode. It was funny to see Hurley open a can of whup-ass on Sawyer. So who was projecting the images of Dave into Hurley's mind? And why make him kill himself? Didn't see the Libby bit at the end coming. She probably won't get a flashback episode this season cos too much would be revealed.

Actually

either ep 19 or 20 is a libby centric episode, afaik

Basq

6

Enjoyed most of the episode.. some of it i just loathed!

What i didn't like:

The whole Dave thing i saw coming from the outset as soon as the photograph was taken. Was far too obvious but did love Dave's theory about how everything that happened regarding the plane crash, the island was all a dream as many discussions have been made about how Hurley has many connections with the survivors and with the island in terms or the numbers and such. So it's actually not a bad theory but downright implausible... and we're not watching Dallas here!

The Libby - Hurley love triangle... hope it doesn't develop and it's just left as that kiss on the cliff. It's all a bit tacky and there's no real need for it. But would like to see a Libby backstory sometime soon.

Eko and Charlie moments were pointless..!

The Henry Gale stuff was as usual brillant! Not sure how much i believe his "didn't push the numbers" comment but will be interested to see where this goes. Once again, Michael Emerson is definantly the best thing to happen to "Lost" this season. Fantastic! Oh, and absolutely loved the exchange:

Locke: "You and your people have been here for God knows how long.."
Henry: "God doesn't know.. "
Locke "Excuse me.."
Henry: God doesn't know how long we've been here, John. He can't see this island any better than the rest of the world can!"

Probably my favourite line / exchange of the series so far. Outside of "Got Any Milk?" Brillant!

And next week does look good but not sure how excited i'd be about the flashbacks of

Rose & Bernard!

Oh.. and as far as i know, next week is the last new episode til sometime in May with 4 straight weeks of new episodes to finish the season! So why do i get the sinking suspicion we'll get a cliffhanger at the end of the next episode?

7 / 10 from me!

CuLT

basquille wrote:

The Libby - Hurley love triangle... hope it doesn't develop and it's just left as that kiss on the cliff. It's all a bit tacky and there's no real need for it. But would like to see a Libby backstory sometime soon.

Where's the other corner to this triangle of yours?

Libby, Hurley... and surprise love interest John Locke?

Basq

6

CuLT wrote:

Where's the other corner to this triangle of yours?

Libby, Hurley... and surprise love interest John Locke?

It's actually a "love dodecahedron".... everyone's in on it!

Sleepy

7

I think it would actually be brilliant if at the very end of LOST (however many series/movies later), this did in fact all turn out to be in Hurley's mind. If they were to play everything else out to a logical ending and then show that Hurley had in fact dreamed the whole thing while in a semi-comatose state in the hospital it'd be one of those brilliant "we hid it all right in front of you" things!

Basq

6

Sleepy wrote:

I think it would actually be brilliant if at the very end of LOST (however many series/movies later), this did in fact all turn out to be in Hurley's mind.

Whoa whoa whoa.. let's not go nuts here! :eek:

Remember what happened in Dallas? Spoilerfied for those who of you who have a compusion to watch Dallas next time it's on.. when

Pam Ewing woke up to reveal Bobby Ewing's death was all a dream she had. That was an entire season they passed off as a dream

and TV watchers around the world were downright pissed off.

Now imagine if they done that for an entire television show premise!

ixoy

4

I enjoyed this one a fair bit because Hurley is generally an enjoyable character. I did see red though when he started throwing the food about the place - FFS, they're stranded on a desert island and just because he doesn't want something, doesn't mean one of his fellow surivivors didn't (and who the hell knew, at that point, how long they'd have had to wait for more crisps for example)? Make a dramatic point but not one as thoughtless as this! Especially from a character who is normally considerate.

As to Henry "'Dar She Blows" Gale.. I did like the God comment. Probably yet another piece of info the writers throw at us without a plan as yet to back it up, but it rolled off the tongues well. I also liked how Dave took the piss out of the ridiculous odds of the numbers appearing everywhere. Oh and at least Sayid actually tried to act intelligently ... if only for a short while... by asking questions. Good man yerself!

Nothing really moved this week but decent enough none the less. In keeping with my beliefs then, it deserves an average score - '5'.

Metacortex

5

Sleepy wrote:

I think it would actually be brilliant if at the very end of LOST (however many series/movies later), this did in fact all turn out to be in Hurley's mind. If they were to play everything else out to a logical ending and then show that Hurley had in fact dreamed the whole thing while in a semi-comatose state in the hospital it'd be one of those brilliant "we hid it all right in front of you" things!

They already made that movie, it was called 'Identity' and it was awful.

The 'Its all a dream' ending it the biggest possible cop out ever. Its the easiest thing to come up with and it almost never works.
Plus, its totally overused, i would hope the writers of Lost have more in mind than that.

Basq

6

Metacortex wrote:

They already made that movie, it was called 'Identity' and it was awful.

Awww.. people are always too hard on 'Identity'!

L31mr0d

6

Yeah it was a middle of the road episode, but i was expecting it. Like I said before they seem to do one taster episode followed by a good episode. This weeks was the taster, so i'm guessing next weeks will be as good as lockdown... wonder if locke will attempt to wait and see if henry was right about the button being a fake?

Also no one seems to be mentioning it, but couldn't the fact that libby was in the same psyche ward as Hurley just go to back up Daves opinion that the island is all a dream, i mean Hurley did say that she was probably a figment of his imagination because he remembered her from somewhere, and that the people in his dream where people he remembered from real life...

Although the only thing that i can see that goes against this is that Dave was trying to convince Hurley that he was real all along, and that the real Dave escaped out the window... if that was so then they wouldn't of shown hurley putting his arm around thin air at the end, removing the chance that the doctor did doctor the picture.

I'm also warming up to Locke again, didn't like how erratic he was getting, but he seems to be starting to settle again. You could see his blatant annoyance with Anna when she started talking down to him about seeing Henry. Too many people are treating him like crap. I think he will try to remember the map and find what was on it to prove to everyone he should be the leader.

Also, random moment... the all of 2 minutes that Eko and charlie where in the episode, they really are pushing it trying to give all the characters there screen time.

lostexpectation

sex and the city

introduced as Harry? the guy with the talented tongue!!

ZiabR

6

lostexpectation wrote:

sex and the city

introduced as Harry? the guy with the talented tongue!!

LOL what?

Beruthiel

6

lostexpectation wrote:

introduced as Harry? the guy with the talented tongue!!

yup
that's all I could think of too when I saw him
giving this one a 7/10
it entertained me, I like Hurley, but didn't learn anything much new.
Didn't see the Libby in the hospital coming, more to that me thinks.

kevmy

6

Pretty good episode they couldn't really follow 'Lockdown' i'd give it a 7.

The stuff with ' henry ' was really interesting but i don't think he let the counter go all the way to zero maybe as far as the hieroglyphics but thats it. he's just pushing lockes buttons - excuse the pun - like he's done from the start with the whole Jack/Locke leadership thing. ' henry ' seems to know a lot more about Locke than he does about the rest. maybe the others got their info on Locke from his encounters with smokey?

also the others do not seem to be as all powerful as previously thought judging by ' henrys ' comments on beardy/Zeke - more fighting the island than in control of the island.

Hyzepher

stevejazzx wrote:

if thye're not controlling things, who is? who is responsible for the supply drop, who created the electromagnetic field, obviously dharma! they've said they are studying electromagnetism, alos juxtapositional eugenics (the placement of people or groups of people in situation and circumstances indusive to procreation, the map also clearly underlines further studies of the genetic modification of polar bears and even weather programs etc, the name dharma is branded onto everything on the island even sharks!!!! they know all the losties names...they set up bases on the island for monitorisation, they've been on the island for over 20 years at least...and you don't think they're controlling everything??

possibly the island s mysterious forces is something they can't control, but the losties, without doubt!

Please dont be condecending - of course I understand that Dharma build the structures and had experiments. What I am saying is that Dharma have obviously been overrun or hampered in some way - the 'incident' that they referred to on the film may have been the first occurance of whatever it is that has influence over them. After all it looks like they had to put in security measures around the island to protect themselves.

I just think that Dharma came to this island and suffered 'unexplainable' incidents themselves to the extent that they had to abandon most of the structures and maybe the original staff on the island.

Hyzepher

iluvbeer

Did anyone compare the scene where the doctor showed Hurley the picture to the scene where the picture was taken?

The room is darker like it was taken at night and the celery on the table is definitely stacked differently on the plate.

Agamemnon

7

It's looking like the Others are renegade Dharma employees now and Dharma have lost the island to them. If the Others have some control over the smoke yoke and the weather, then they could easily repel any attempt to retake the island by force. The hatch was still doing what Dharma wanted it to do so they dropped supplies to it. Maybe another station is still controlled by Dharma and that's where Desmond was legging it to when we last saw him.

Maybe Dharma are infiltrating the island instead? They know the Others will strand passing travellers on the island to recruit more "good people", so they put an agent on Flight 815 who knocks out the radios midflight, knowing the diversion will take the plane over the island where it will be brought down.
Sure, the Others had some advance warning Flight 815 was coming (Goodwin and Ethan were at the crash sites very quickly), but all they would need is a radar for that.
It's looking like Libby is the Dharma agent now. Maybe she was in the hospital to check up on that guy who kept repeating the numbers (was his name Leonard?) and Hurley only got dragged into this when he used the numbers in the lottery. Dharma could have ensured there were other people on the plane who would likely resist the Others, like Jack, Sayid and Anna-Lucia.

doh.ie

2

Ixoy's right about the average ratings on here. Normally I don't really bother to vote on the poll, but this was so awful, it deserved to get one - I give it a 3, redeemed only by three elements (which get a vote each):

* The newly mysterious Libby and her scene at the end in the hospital - I have this half-notion she may be working for Dharma, based purely on the basis that she might not actually like Hurley at all, and suspicion about why she was in Australia. I agree with Monomaniac that her appearance must be more than a regular crossover - but I also hope there's something clever to it. Having her be a traitor would be kinda cool. I also like the fact she was not a nurse, though the evidence strongly suggested she was.

* Henry Gale - once again, and in fewer scenes, he delivers the goods. He lies and lies and lies. And he's lying about not pushing the button, I'm sure of it. Question is why - is he testing Locke's faith, or does he/Dharma actually want the number-entering to cease? (Although that can't be the case because then he would have genuinely let the counter run.) But since he will lie to the end, I'm very sure he's not telling the truth about what he did in that room.

* Loved Sayid's interrogation and the production of the $ farewell note. Also loved, as many of us did, the "God" line about the island and the confirmation that Zeke is a pawn in a greater game. Mr Hanso or whoever "he" is - dying to see the answer to that mystery. Would have been better to have some map progress - Lost will become frustrating to the masses because of the loose ends which aren't picked up quickly enough (though at least unlike The X-Files it does return to them within a few episodes.)

Why it was crap (to me, anyway):
Although there was no progress on it in this episode, the map mystery remains. It's significance and my keen-ness to find out more about it was pretty much the driving force for tuning it - that an finding out who 'Henry' was. Yet nothing. This wouldn't be much of a deal if the show had gone on to feature progress of any kind, but there was so little, it felt like a waste of time.

The characters' continuing inability to talk to each other about ANYTHING any one of them discovers is very frustrating - this map is going to be the plot point that drives season three and where the show goes from here. But the show is held back from developing (to stretch it out) to the point where the characters are exasperating to watch! Locke may distrust everyone, to be fair, but I would hope he reveals what he knows relatively soon. I was almost shocked the Losties at large found out about the food drop and Jack hadn't already snuck it into the hatch pantry.

Flashback was woeful. They need to learn one thing very fast. Hurley-centric episodes DO NOT need to be "the funny ones" (the way DS9 felt the need to do attempt humour in Ferengi episodes several times a season - they were usually the worst.) If anything, trying to make Hurley episodes quirky and jokey take away from his character. Nothing wrong with the attack on Sawyer or his talks with Libby, but the Dave stuff in the jungle was slow and painful to watch.

It was obvious from the basketball game he was imaginary (possibly even from the interview with Bruce Davison at the start - why wasn't he billed as a "Special Guest Star" based on all the movies he's been in, I wonder...). So ultimately I didn't buy the Dave thing at all. The ultimate "It's all in your head" revelation was vexing too - and old hat. Buffy did it and so did DS9. We've seen this kind of concept before, and the only reason I can see for its inclusion is part in-joke, part theory ruling-out on the part of the producers. (They've done this before with Hurley's "..or any when" line and with other theories.)

This is now officially (for me) the worst flashback of the series so far. Close seconds to the flashback of Jin/Sun in 2x05 and Shannon/Boone in 1x13, and Michael/Walt in 2x02.

L31mr0d wrote:

Like I said before they seem to do one taster episode followed by a good episode. This weeks was the taster, so i'm guessing next weeks will be as good as lockdown...

I hope so. Truth is, a 'taster' followed by a good one isn't nearly good enough. If they want to ensure audience loyalty and not drop large chunks as the seasons go by, EVERY episode will have to be a good one. This doesn't always mean big island revelations or lots of action (2x13 was a great episode on backstory alone; same with 1x04 and several others.)

Huge minus points, as many of you agree, for the waste of food at the start. And this BEFORE they found out about the resupply drop. Gah! Very, very annoying. This from a group that normally complain about having to eat fish and fruit all the time. And is it just me or do Dharma give inordinately large containers to things like peanut butter, ranch dressing and the like. Condiments. No reason why. Yet the fish crackers box is not even 500g cereal box size. You'd have way more dressing than you have supplies to dip in it! Insane. And very odd.

So, no, didn't like this at all. The Hurley scenes lost my interest, there were too many of those, mad at waste of food (no matter how much was newly arrived), inserted 'random' other character scenes (I think it's a church too) and the scenes we did really anticipate - great but way too few in number.

And so, 3/10. Half thinking now I should have gone lower...! (For the record, compare this one, 2x18, with 1x18 "Numbers" and the incredibly lacklusture ep Hurley's got from one season to another...)

doh.ie

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Incidentally, "Dave" gets about - he's on RTE One in Joan of Arcadia as I type...!

tvnutz

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3/10? Please! Anything that would be 3/10 would be so bad that I wouldn't even watch it all,Id turn it off...even if it was Lost.

This had some good character development,but overall was fairly slow and did'nt do much for me. There also wasn't enough Henry moments,I did like how Sayid nearly blew his head of though

6/10