"Southern" Ireland... do you mean 'Ireland'?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Deleted User wrote: »

What was it advertising and who was it aimed at??

pretty sure it wasn't an advertisement

CDfm

CDfm wrote: »

How come its called the British Isles when there is only one? Surely it should be the British Isle.

More than one!
Britain, Isle of Man, the Orkeneys, Shetlands, Isle of dogs... thousands of 'em.

CDfm

Deleted User wrote: »

More than one!
Britain, Isle of Man, the Orkeneys, Shetlands, Isle of dogs... thousands of 'em.

So Maybe it should be called the Bristish Isles Excludeing Ireland or BIEI.

How would you pronounce it.

How do you pronounce UK without full stops -YUK?

Fratton Fred

CDfm wrote: »

So Maybe it should be called the Bristish Isles Excludeing Ireland or BIEI.

How would you pronounce it.

How do you pronounce UK without full stops -YUK?

Surely that should be the British Isles excluding Southern Ireland

Tell me, is that a chip on your shoulder, or a full blown Intel factory*
(*Copyright = Snickersman)

CDfm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Surely that should be the British Isles excluding Southern Ireland

Tell me, is that a chip on your shoulder, or a full blown Intel factory*
(*Copyright = Snickersman)

ITs an alternative to "We Apologise To Everybody Where The Sun Never Sets" Isles.:D

getz

Mordeth wrote: »

friend of mine was trying to watch a match on justin.tv last night and was redirected to a page with a large union jack image and the words 'the famine is over, go home'.

I lol'd pretty hard, but everyone else got pretty offended.

just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

i fully agree that kind of thing is nasty-but this is one many do not know about -england was one invaded by irish vikings[from dublin] it was said by a massive army of over 200 ships this is in the year of [about]1000ad;the battle was in the preston area of lancashire it took two combined armies to beat them one of a english king and one by a english viking king-i am still trying to research the full story if any of the boardies know any more let me know

Fratton Fred

getz wrote: »

i fully agree that kind of thing is nasty-but this is one many do not know about -england was one invaded by irish vikings[from dublin] it was said by a massive army of over 200 ships this is in the year of [about]1000ad;the battle was in the preston area of lancashire it took two combined armies to beat them one of a english king and one by a english viking king-i am still trying to research the full story if any of the boardies know any more let me know

Oh yeah, make no mistake about it. the Irish started it, as did the Welsh and the Scots. But the english won

gurramok

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Oh yeah, make no mistake about it. the Irish started it, as did the Welsh and the Scots. But the english won

Yeh, but the Irish vikings were immigrants from Scandanavia.

Bloody immigrants coming here causing problems..LOL

CDfm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Oh yeah, make no mistake about it. the Irish started it, as did the Welsh and the Scots. But the english won

and then they got a Scottish Prime Minister called Gordon who felt it was time to thrash the place and did:D

Red Sleeping Beauty

Mordeth wrote: »

friend of mine was trying to watch a match on justin.tv last night and was redirected to a page with a large union jack image and the words 'the famine is over, go home'.

I lol'd pretty hard, but everyone else got pretty offended.

just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

I wouldn't be too bothered or upset by anything on justin.tv

Tchaikovsky

It wasn't, perhaps, the Celtic game he was watching?
There are some horrid vermin on justin.tv - and yes, rangers fans do sing "The famine's over, why don't you go home?". Go figure.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

It wasn't, perhaps, the Celtic game he was watching?
There are some horrid vermin on justin.tv - and yes, rangers fans do sing "The famine's over, why don't you go home?". Go figure.

Oh, that's just banter, like the RA chants.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Oh, that's just banter, like the RA chants.

There was a bit a hassle over in Glasgow there a while ago over a few rebel songs sung by the fans. I've no interest in it really. If you want to talk history and politics to me then fine, if you want to take part in a sports fued and attribute the tension to either history,politics or religion then I'm not interested.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

There was a bit a hassle over in Glasgow there a while ago over a few rebel songs sung by the fans. I've no interest in it really. If you want to talk history and politics to me then fine, if you want to take part in a sports fued and attribute the tension to either history,politics or religion then I'm not interested.

Oh, me neither. Comment was meant tongue in cheek, should have pacced it.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Oh, me neither. Comment was meant tongue in cheek, should have pacced it.

Ah yeah , cool.
I think there's a virtue in being well informed about the history and politics and indeed religion if you wish. It's more than just PC for the sake of apeasing a minority. A bit of respect swung both ways helps a great deal.
There's no point in two people standing across from each other saying that it's their history who was right.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Ah yeah , cool.
I think there's a virtue in being well informed about the history and politics and indeed religion if you wish. It's more than just PC for the sake of apeasing a minority. A bit of respect swung both ways helps a great deal.
There's no point in two people standing across from each other saying that it's their history who was right.

Informed, yes, as log as you stay neutral and respect everyone else's instead of using it as a weapon. In Ireland that appears to be the stumbling block

ibuprofen

CDfm wrote: »

How come its called the British Isles when there is only one? Surely it should be the British Isle.

Yeah your right. It's antiquated and denotes ownership.
I know the english still use it, probably jiust to remind them of bygone days when they were alot more powerful, but it has no legal standing in Ireland.

I found a link that explains the situation and here's a quote



The term has in the past been used in a purely geographical sense, to make clear Ireland's proximity to Britain.

However, Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern has ruled that the term is not used by the Government and is without any official status.

It was made clear by him that the term is not recognised in any legal or inter-governmental sense.

It has been suggested in education circles that the Folens atlas highlights the need to have a checking system whereby all textbooks are checked to ensure they conform with the curriculum as outlined by the National Council for Curriculum Assessment.

The Irish Embassy in London has also been urged to monitor the media in Britain for "any abuse of the official terms as set out in the Constitution of Ireland and in legislation".

http://www.bpp.org.uk/nw105.html




So problem solved . Good to see this one being put to bed..

Iang87

British Isles Great Britain United Kingdom Call it whatever its all England:D

Red Sleeping Beauty

ibuprofen wrote: »

Yeah your right. It's antiquated and denotes ownership.
I know the english still use it, probably jiust to remind them of bygone days when they were alot more powerful, but it has no legal standing in Ireland.

I found a link that explains the situation and here's a quote



The term has in the past been used in a purely geographical sense, to make clear Ireland's proximity to Britain.

However, Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern has ruled that the term is not used by the Government and is without any official status.

It was made clear by him that the term is not recognised in any legal or inter-governmental sense.

It has been suggested in education circles that the Folens atlas highlights the need to have a checking system whereby all textbooks are checked to ensure they conform with the curriculum as outlined by the National Council for Curriculum Assessment.

The Irish Embassy in London has also been urged to monitor the media in Britain for "any abuse of the official terms as set out in the Constitution of Ireland and in legislation".

http://www.bpp.org.uk/nw105.html




So problem solved . Good to see this one being put to bed..

Never heard of the Brittish People's Party

CDfm

Iang87 wrote: »

British Isles Great Britain United Kingdom Call it whatever its all England:D

that would make Scotland and Wales colonies and their natives aboroginies( it being latin for from that place or something)

Not being picky but The Scottish and Welsh are super sensitive and have you asked any of them personally do they agree with your little plan?

Red Sleeping Beauty

CDfm wrote: »

that would make Scotland and Wales colonies and their natives aboroginies( it being latin for from that place or something)

Not being picky but The Scottish and Welsh are super sensitive and have you asked any of them personally do they agree with your little plan?

"We on the other hand are just colonised by ****"

Kold

Southern Ireland. To differentiate from Northern Ireland. Makes sense to me.

As for teaching English children Irish history? I'm sorry but the history that concerns British culture isn't as focused on the British occupation of Ireland as Irish history is.


OP has typical Irish 'little man' syndrome imo.

pablomakaveli

Kold wrote: »

Southern Ireland. To differentiate from Northern Ireland. Makes sense to me.

As for teaching English children Irish history? I'm sorry but the history that concerns British culture isn't as focused on the British occupation of Ireland as Irish history is.


OP has typical Irish 'little man' syndrome imo.

The histories of Ireland and Britain are quite tightly interlinked. Given the close proximity of the two countries it would be fairly ignorant if they were'nt taught anything about irish history.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Kold wrote: »

OP has typical Irish 'little man' syndrome imo.

I guess so do the people who thanked his post along with perhaps half of the posters in this thread.

Kold

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I guess so do the people who thanked his post along with perhaps half of the posters in this thread.

I guess that's what makes it typical.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Ireland - the little nation that could.

CDfm

Kold wrote: »

As for teaching English children Irish history? I'm sorry but the history that concerns British culture isn't as focused on the British occupation of Ireland as Irish history is.


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The English version of history taught in schools is a very much like Bob the Builder can we fix it in a very touchy feely way- like it was as positive experience for the Irish.

Can I write the new version

Bob the builder -can we rape and pillage it
Bob the builder-yes we can

Kold

Get over it mate, no one's still got their dick in your ass. They never tell you the horrible sh*t that the Celts got up to.

No nation's history is sunshine and rainbows, what would you have? Every person of British extraction humbly apologise every time an Irish man is about?

CDfm

Kold wrote: »

I guess that's what makes it typical.

Its what makes the OP special -we need to nurture him and make him feel good about himself

Kold

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

On the topic of Brittish occupation of Ireland and subsequent independance....

At what stage of school is this taught ? I only did History at Junior Cert level and I can't remember how much 20thcentury history was covered.

Has anyone recently completed History at LC ?

I learned from Dev to Lemass in Leaving Cert history, about 4 years back. Although I believe there's been a new syllabus since.

CDfm

Kold wrote: »

No nation's history is sunshine and rainbows, what would you have? Every person of British extraction humbly apologise every time an Irish man is about?

its a start - but i would prefer if the would do my ironing . after all they invented the iron.

A Dub in Glasgo

Kold wrote: »

Southern Ireland. To differentiate from Northern Ireland. Makes sense to me.

The most northern point in Ireland is in 'Southern Ireland' then. No wonder the country is going to the dogs if this is what the current education system is churning out.

pablomakaveli

Kold wrote: »

Get over it mate, no one's still got their dick in your ass. They never tell you the horrible sh*t that the Celts got up to.

No nation's history is sunshine and rainbows, what would you have? Every person of British extraction humbly apologise every time an Irish man is about?

What horrible s**t did the Celts do?

CDfm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

What horrible s**t did the Celts do?

I seem to remember something about irregular British forces rioting and burning Cork - the British army mutinying in the Curragh - opening fire on football supporters.

wasnt there also something about ignoring their own parliment and laws and not putting an Irish parliment in place?

The irish question was Kind of bigger than the Lisbon treaty in its day.

Fratton Fred

pablomakaveli wrote: »

The histories of Ireland and Britain are quite tightly interlinked. Given the close proximity of the two countries it would be fairly ignorant if they were'nt taught anything about irish history.

I would disagree.

There is nothing that happened in Ireland that affected Britain. Irish history is not much more than an extension of British History, so why teach the history of a foreign country other than to pander to the ego of the many irish who live in England. The only people that bebefitted from British rule in Ireland were a select few, not the general British masses, who went through similar things to the irish in a lot of ways. Irish revolutionaries were deported the same as British Trade Unionsists were. Trade unionists were seen as subversives in a similar way to Irish republicans. Has anyone in Ireland ever heard of the Peterloo Massacre, I doubt it.

I am amazed people get the fact that Ireland is a seperate country confused, I mean if it was the same country there would be hundreds of thousands of Irish people living and working in England, the Irish would all support English football teams and there would be Irish personalities popping up on the BBC and ITV on a daily basis.......

CDfm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I would disagree.

There is nothing that happened in Ireland that affected Britain. Irish history is not much more than an extension of British History, so why teach the history of a foreign country other than to pander to the ego of the many irish who live in England. The only people that bebefitted from British rule in Ireland were a select few, not the general British masses,

i disagree here. You have a huge immigrant population in the UK.

it evolved into colonialism and the notion of the overseas empire. it is a lesson on how power can corrupt.

you had a permanent army etc in ireland and there is still the northern ireland issue. you also had anti-irish press and popular sentiment. That wasnt all from the select few- there was a big occupation industry built around it..

BTW I dont have a chip on my shoulder about it.

Fratton Fred

CDfm wrote: »

i disagree here. You have a huge immigrant population in the UK.

it evolved into colonialism and the notion of the overseas empire. it is a lesson on how power can corrupt.

you had a permanent army etc in ireland and there is still the northern ireland issue. you also had anti-irish press and popular sentiment. That wasnt all from the select few- there was a big occupation industry built around it..

BTW I dont have a chip on my shoulder about it.

There is a huge immigrant population in Britain, but the Irish are amongst the biggest and always have been. I don't recall too many camp Pakistani TV presenters either

Britain had a big army everywhere at one time, in fact one of the biggest was in India which was made up mainly of Irish soldiers.

CDfm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Britain had a big army everywhere at one time, in fact one of the biggest was in India which was made up mainly of Irish soldiers.

I cant believe that.Lies.

According to a British Government Minister Chicken Tikka is the National Dish of Britain. To us its an exotic foreign food.

Fratton Fred

CDfm wrote: »

I cant believe that.Lies.

According to a British Government Minister Chicken Tikka is the National Dish of Britain. To us its an exotic foreign food.

hhmmm Chicken Tikka Masala, Peshwari Naan and Cobra.

Why do you think Britain colonised the world, its because English food is so crap

Not sure why that would lead them to colonise Ireland though, fighting over boiled pork, cabbage and potatos seems a bit daft to me :rolleyes::D

r3nu4l

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not sure why that would lead them to colonise Ireland though, fighting over boiled pork, cabbage and potatos seems a bit daft to me :rolleyes::D

Surely you're joking! I love me bacon, cabbage and spuds!

I've come across the whole "Southern Ireland" thing a lot over here.
When I go to a post office with a letter to send to 'The Republic of Ireland' (hee hee), they ask me if it's for 'Southern Ireland'. I say 'No, Republic of Ireland'. They say '...Southern Ireland?', I say 'There's no such place as Southern Ireland!?' and generally look confused, like I don't understand them. Then I say, 'I'd like this to go to the Irish Republic, Éire!'. Then the penny drops and the business is transacted.

I do it every time because this does help educate people. I have also had to educate my bosses regarding 'Southern Ireland' and 'The mainland'. Apparently, the last two times they tried to get new business in Ireland their meetings were ended abruptly. I eventually discovered what happened and after laughing very hard I explained that referring to 'Southern Ireland' and 'The mainland' can be a bit like going to a meeting in Germany and asking the people there quite casually, if any of their relatives served in the SS or Gestapo LEarning cultural differences is important in Bus. Dev.

Fratton Fred

r3nu4l wrote: »

I do it every time because this does help educate people. I have also had to educate my bosses regarding 'Southern Ireland' and 'The mainland'. Apparently, the last two times they tried to get new business in Ireland their meetings were ended abruptly. I eventually discovered what happened and after laughing very hard I explained that referring to 'Southern Ireland' and 'The mainland' can be a bit like going to a meeting in Germany and asking the people there quite casually, if any of their relatives served in the SS or Gestapo LEarning cultural differences is important in Bus. Dev.

That's a school boy error by your bosses there tbh.

CDfm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not sure why that would lead them to colonise Ireland though, fighting over boiled pork, cabbage and potatos seems a bit daft to me :rolleyes::D

Sure the americans lap it up.

It would be so easy if everyone just used generic terms like Ireland for the Republic and the Occupied Territories for NI. Or is that too PC for you?

asdasd

There is nothing that happened in Ireland that affected Britain.

Hilarious. I already posted on this thread about how you could consider yourself educated on the history of the United Kingdom unless you have learned the history of Ireland which was part of the UK from the Act of Union ( and subject to an English King before that). Go look it up.

CDfm

r3nu4l wrote: »

and after laughing very hard I explained that referring to 'Southern Ireland' and 'The mainland' can be a bit like going to a meeting in Germany and asking the people there quite casually, if any of their relatives served in the SS or Gestapo LEarning cultural differences is important in Bus. Dev.

ROFL - I must remember that one its hilarious:D

CDfm

What Fratton Fred doesnt want you to know - Fred is Evil - the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QRS-lTa7oE

r3nu4l

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's a school boy error by your bosses there tbh.

Yup, I literally (honestly) facepalmed when I heard the expressions they used...

Ah well

Fratton Fred

asdasd wrote: »

Hilarious. I already posted on this thread about how you could consider yourself educated on the history of the United Kingdom unless you have learned the history of Ireland which was part of the UK from the Act of Union ( and subject to an English King before that). Go look it up.

How did any of that affect British History, other than the fact that the irish part of the UK got a bit smaller.

I think you have an inflated opinion of Irelands importance to Britain.

pablomakaveli

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I would disagree.

There is nothing that happened in Ireland that affected Britain.

At least we can tell the unionists that the Battle of the Boyne was unimportant.:D

Fratton Fred

pablomakaveli wrote: »

At least we can tell the unionists that the Battle of the Boyne was unimportant.:D

I can honestly say that the battl of the Boyn was never covered in my school history, I think it may have been considered too political to mention, bearing in mind I left school at the height of the troubles.

getz

asdasd wrote: »

Hilarious. I already posted on this thread about how you could consider yourself educated on the history of the United Kingdom unless you have learned the history of Ireland which was part of the UK from the Act of Union ( and subject to an English King before that). Go look it up.

i went to school in the uk .for a time in the 1950s i also went to school[for 3 months] in donagal-history of ireland in the uk did not exist-when i was at school in ireland the brothers made sure we knew how bad the english have been to the irish-as a 12 year old i felt very much like the little jewish boys must of felt in germany in the 1930s [and i am from a irish family]