Does VRT Change Based on Demand

smarty

Bluehair wrote:

We were bitching about this recently on the bmw forums. There was an even bigger increase in e36 M3s a while ago (closer to 2 grand increase i believe) and when confronted about it one of the staff in Santry vrt admited that the site is tracked and if there's particular interest in one model they 'modify' the vrt upwards :eek:

Pretty shocking tbh :mad:

On another thread this morning there were discussing VRT increasing based on the demand on the Revenues website. I have experienced this in the past and I think it does happen. However I would like to do a more scientific test.

This morning I requested a VRT quote on a Citroen C4 1.6.



It then asked me to clarify the vehicle and I chose the SX 05DR (1587CC) model.



The result was a quote of €4,570.



Now to prove this, would people mind going and retreiving the same quote and replying with the quote that you receive. I intend to request the quote again over the coming weeks, but it what people say and the site is 'tracked' it will be interesting to see the results.

Thanks.

kluivert

VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX (VRT) ENQUIRY
DATE: 07 April 2006 TIME: 11:24

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STATISTICAL CODE: 40385288
MAKE: CITROEN
MODEL: C4 1.6
VERSION: SX 05DR / HATCHBACK / MANUAL / PETROL ONLY /
MILEAGE: 10000 MILES

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The information requested in respect of the vehicle shown is indicated below.
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION(MM/YY): SEPTEMBER 2005
OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE:
(applicable on enquiry date) €18049
RATE OF TAX: 25.0%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €4512

I just this myself and this is what I got. Now although mind is slighty lower than yours, should the Open Market Value remind the same or if your theory is correct, should it have not increased slighty. I am finding it hard to believe that the Revenue are getting this one correct at all. I do believe that VRT is increasing to stop the influx of imports.

unkel

Great initiative! To make it even easier here's a direct link to the VRT site

My quote was also €4,570

Kluivert, you need to use kilometers, not miles

spockety

I get 4,570 also.

kluivert

unkel wrote:

Great initiative! To make it even easier here's a direct link to the VRT site

My quote was also €4,570

Kluivert, you need to use kilometers, not miles

My bad - 22 yrs old and still old fashioned.

Keep this up guys and we'll see what the blood hounds in the Revenue are doing.

Eoin

spockety wrote:

I get 4,570 also.

Same for me, though if there is an increase based on enquiries made, it may not be an instant change or even an automated one.

unkel

eoin_s wrote:

if there is an increase based on enquiries made, it may not be an instant change or even an automated one.

Absolutely. That's what we're trying to find out with this thread. It'll probably take some time

And in case it does up the VRT, I hope no one is thinking of importing a Citroen C4

smarty

eoin_s wrote:

Same for me, though if there is an increase based on enquiries made, it may not be an instant change or even an automated one.

I think you are right here. I expect it to be a manual change. It may take a couple of weeks, before we notice any change.

Kimbot

The VRT will stay the same, on the 1st of January the prices went up for VRT!!

smarty

jonny24ie wrote:

The VRT will stay the same, on the 1st of January the prices went up for VRT!!

I imported and registered a car on the 21st of March and when I view the VRT calculator today the price has increased by almost €1,000 euro.

Eoin

unkel wrote:

Absolutely. That's what we're trying to find out with this thread. It'll probably take some time

And if I had actually bothered my arse to read the first post properly I would have known that

Alun

OK, conspiracy theories and the like aside, could this be what's happening?

For cars otherwise readily available here on the Irish market, they have a pretty accurate idea of their worth, but for some of the more obscure Jap Imports the figures they use, especially when there might only ever have been a handful of them ever imported, the OMSP is going to be basically a bit of a guess, and for the one or two cars involved it isn't going to be worth their while spending a huge amount of time on getting it 'right', whatever that may be.

But imagine what happens if a particular model 'slips through the net', and word gets around that it's a real bargain because they got the OMSP wrong and therefore the VRT is so low. The number of these types of cars imported magically starts to rise, and the alarm bells go off at VRT headquarters ... They then take another look at the car in question and they reeavaulate the OMSP, spend a little more time investigating it, and the OMSP goes up as a consequence.

ando

I got €4512

Mailman

Revenue have in the past put up the OMSP on cars to dis-incentivise traders from importing them - it makes it virtually impossible to import second hand mainstream cars from Japan.
Check the OMSP of a European Micra and a Japanese Nissan March to see what I mean.

unkel

Alun wrote:

But imagine what happens if a particular model 'slips through the net', and word gets around that it's a real bargain because they got the OMSP wrong and therefore the VRT is so low

I'll buy that for obscure Japanese cars, but more mainstream cars have been reported to change OMSP too and then there's:

Mailman wrote:

Revenue have in the past put up the OMSP on cars to dis-incentivise traders from importing them - it makes it virtually impossible to import second hand mainstream cars from Japan.
Check the OMSP of a European Micra and a Japanese Nissan March to see what I mean.

Just checked for bog standard Jan '01 Micra and VRT is €900 and €1300 for same detail March, so I can confirm what you're saying. Obviously the actual value in the Irish market for a (UK / Irish) Micra is higher than the Jap March. Think reg plate, radio, documentation, etc.

ando wrote:

I got €4512

RTFP

kluivert

ando wrote:

I got €4512

You did want I done. You put in miles instead of KM's mate. Read OP again.

5500

The old biddy on the phone in the local office told me the rates can change on a daily basis as they are constantly being reviewed.In her exact words it "was to put fellas off buying the hondas cheap and making them dearer"

Itl be good to see if the prices rises in time tho

SouperComputer

€4570

ando

unkel wrote:

RTFP

Kersh

Can we sticky this....

neacy69

€4570.....

smarty

Just got another quote and the price is still €4,570. I wonder will it change at the end of the month, because the car is a month older?

kluivert

I had a read of the VRT manual and the web site will not change automatically this is done by consultation every say couple of months where they review OMPS and the number of cars being imported.

Eoin

smarty wrote:

Just got another quote and the price is still €4,570. I wonder will it change at the end of the month, because the car is a month older?

Doesn't look like it - I filled it out again, only I put August instead of September as the registration date (to make it the month older) and still got €4,570.

Our man in Havana

VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX (VRT) ENQUIRY
DATE: 10 April 2006 TIME: 12:26

STATISTICAL CODE: 40387600
MAKE: NISSAN
MODEL: MICRA 1.0 (To 1992)
VERSION: L 03DR / HATCHBACK / MANUAL / PETROL ONLY /
MILEAGE: 82000 MILES

The information requested in respect of the vehicle shown is indicated below.
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION(MM/YY): JULY 1991
OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE:
(applicable on enquiry date) €725
RATE OF TAX: 22.5%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €315

ROFFLE! I paid only 400 for that car. Where the f*** do they get the prices from? WTF? €315 is almost 50% of the "value".

kluivert

Bond-007 wrote:

ROFFLE! I paid only 400 for that car. Where the f*** do they get the prices from? WTF? €315 is almost 50% of the "value".

That cant be right can it

22.5% of €725 is €163, where are they getting €315.

Id question that.

OMSP of €725 is crazy. I reckon they make up the figures.

Importing is still the way forward.

Welcome to rip off ireland.

Mickk

Minimum vrt on any car 315

Mc-BigE

Anyone know if it’s possible to buy a second hand X5 or Range Rover or any passenger 4X4 or even SUV and Estate Cars and get them converted to Commerical
So that VRT is 50 euro flat rate?

I saw this company in Longford, but I was hoping there was one closer to me (Cork)

www.activeautos.ie

updated:
made a new thread:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51186631#post51186631

5500

Just checked the Vrt this morning on the honda civic coupe vti ive been looking to import and its risen twice so far this year.It went up 1000e on the first of april and 12e since saturday when i last checked (it was 2127 its now 2139)

Its as if they have a randomizer button that they press daily on these quotes,has anyone know if theres a direct part in revenue where i can complain to?

kluivert

There is a department you can appeal the decision. only after you register the car. Try ringing your local VRO office and ask to connected to the person in charge ie their manager.

padraigmyers

I am bringing in a BMW next week. The OMSP on this car is €22'250 (up €215 on the printout from 8 days ago!), yet I have enquired through a BMW dealer who says that the value is roughly €20k.

I am going to get the insurance valuation, book valuation (the bible that trade-ins and insurance claims are valued by) and the BMW dealers valuation in writing and challenge the OMSP (either when at the VRO office, or if they won't acknowledge the valuation through the appeals procedure after I have paid the VRT). I will post here on my progress.

I'd encourage anybody else who has the time to try this as well, if we can't eliminate this illegal tax (and also a double tax since its calculated post VAT), then we should at least challenge the constant over-valuation and random raising of the OMSP that the VRO office sems to be currently engaged in.

Power to the people!!