Disturbing 9/11 Tapes Played at Moussaoui Trial

daveirl

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Capt'n Midnight

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*Firemen complained about melted steel in the remains of the basement after the collapse - once again, the melting point of steel is 100% IMPOSSIBLE to reach with jet fuel. According to the firefighters themselves, "it looks like a c4 explosion)

That old chestnut.
PROVE there was melted steel and not some other material. Also indicate the quantity involved, as a % of the overall amount.
PROVE that C4 would have melted steel and that firefighters involved had explosives expertise. Note that many forms of dust explosions exist.
Steel will soften before 800c that is how blacksmiths have worked it for a couple of thousand years now.

At the very least propose a mechanism for the steel to melt rather than parrot stuff from a conspiracy site.

Here is one... ( I don't imagine it happended but it's more plausable than C4 )
In an oxygen poor environment heat will turn paper into charcoal.
Charcoal will melt steel in an oxygen rich environment, perhaps when the towers collapsed.

Oh yeah those towers were the worlds tallest because they took some shortcuts, using trusses instead of beams and not fully fireproofing the steel, they were retro fitting the covering when then incident happened. But do we see the architects etc. in court ?

And E4 is like Channel 4 Lite - almost no intellectual stuff.

Of course the real proof that a conspiracy existed is that so few people were killed :rolleyes: And enough US embasies were already hit that the Administration knew that people didn't care.

/back on topic
Do they play tapes for other such incidents ?
Did they do similar stuff with tapes for the Oklahoma bombing ??

Yook

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So you think the bombs were on a timer? Im going to assume you are not one of the best minds in the world. Please watch the videos I posted before you post more ****e.

daveirl wrote:

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I think Michael Moores documentary Farenheit 9/11 explains that pretty well.

daveirl

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So Glad

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

That old chestnut.
PROVE there was melted steel and not some other material. Also indicate the quantity involved, as a % of the overall amount.
PROVE that C4 would have melted steel and that firefighters involved had explosives expertise. Note that many forms of dust explosions exist.
Steel will soften before 800c that is how blacksmiths have worked it for a couple of thousand years now.

At the very least propose a mechanism for the steel to melt rather than parrot stuff from a conspiracy site.

Here is one... ( I don't imagine it happended but it's more plausable than C4 )
In an oxygen poor environment heat will turn paper into charcoal.
Charcoal will melt steel in an oxygen rich environment, perhaps when the towers collapsed.

Oh yeah those towers were the worlds tallest because they took some shortcuts, using trusses instead of beams and not fully fireproofing the steel, they were retro fitting the covering when then incident happened. But do we see the architects etc. in court ?

And E4 is like Channel 4 Lite - almost no intellectual stuff.

Of course the real proof that a conspiracy existed is that so few people were killed :rolleyes: And enough US embasies were already hit that the Administration knew that people didn't care.

/back on topic
Do they play tapes for other such incidents ?
Did they do similar stuff with tapes for the Oklahoma bombing ??

Blacksmith use bronze and tin and any time they use steel they hit it with a massive hammer against a bloody heavy anvil or let high powered machinery. Heat helps to bend it not melt it. Still. If the steel trusses gave way it still should not fall in freefall time. Considering that the steel trusses get wider at the bottom you would guess the it would encounter SOME resistance on the way down.

Chong

And E4 is like Channel 4 Lite - almost no intellectual stuff.

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Yook

So Glad wrote:

Another issue is the fact that these accusations are very upsetting to people, even thought it is getting them to the real truth, people go out of their way to completely ignore solid facts and theories for reasons I cannot know. In America it would be completely unacceptable to discuss these notions especially on air, and that is just terrible. There is a video of a very good man who goes by the name of Jimmy Walter (who runs this site http://www.reopen911.org/index.htm) who has donated lots of this money to research these claims and he is basically trying to tell people the facts he has discovered on CNN or FOX and the reporter is getting quite personally angry with him and talking to him a sarcastic manner which is a shame since such people do not get allowed much airtime. Patriotism is also a vile thing that is blinding alot of Americans.

I hadnt seen this one before you posted that website. Have a look see
Linky here

daveirl

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So Glad

daveirl wrote:

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I am in no way supporting Al-Qaeda but I would like to know why you think they are scum just out of curiosity.

daveirl

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So Glad

daveirl wrote:

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I have to say. Your a very hard man to convince!

Chong

He believes them to be scum cause he been told to believe they are by the media.

daveirl

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So Glad

daveirl wrote:

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What were the executions for? They probably deserve them.

daveirl

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Nightwish

one thing that has bothered me about 9/11 is the plane that crashed into the pentagon. Where is the plane? why wasn't there any wreckage?
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/200109114a_hr.jpg

So Glad

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I understand. But couldn't you not equally direct your anger at the Americans and their metal islands, shooting missiles on innocent civilians killing their women and children? British troops beating young protesters to a pulp?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEIYMF-WkW0&search=british%20troops%20beating

THAT is scum. THAT is voilent and should be stoped. If a man looses his first child from an American bomb (and we have all seen the many people crying in front of our own camaras praying to god to seek vengence on the American who seen it fit to kill his children) do you think it is fair that he is angry? When a nation looses so much lives I think it is fair to retaliate and the reason they chose an innocent civilian is because the army is untouchable and even more violent. This is where this type of natural defence gets tagged the term "terrorism" and we all hate that word...

So Glad

Nightwish wrote:

one thing that has bothered me about 9/11 is the plane that crashed into the pentagon. Where is the plane? why wasn't there any wreckage?
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/200109114a_hr.jpg

That is another very solid fact. If a massive AA 757 plane crashed head on into the Pentagon why is there not an equally massive hole as there was in the twin towers? This has also been discussed to death on a previous thread. Please search for it.

daveirl

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daveirl

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[Jackass]

daveirl wrote:

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Well, you said it yourself.

Who do you think got Bush into power? Who do you think got his father into power? Billionaire oil tycoons from all over southern USA....documented as massive fund raisers to his campaign.

Who is one of the closest allies to the Bush familly? The Saudi arabian royle familly, who, incidently, were in the white house the night before 9/11 and as one aid claimed later, were seen having cigars on the balcony of Bush's private quaters that night.

Following the incident, the only flights to leave america were shipping the saudi royals back home, safely out of harms way.

As shown on another thread, where was the air force? 3 flights over main land america goes THAT much off course for such a long period of time and no questions are asked? Even when pilots report a hijack?

A Ryanair flight reported a possible bomb on board...not even a hijack...with in minutes it was escorted to a designated landing area by two brittish fighter jets...and it was flying away from the UK and on it's origional flight path...

Measures are in place for these things, and nobody can say "Oh it's post 9/11...that's why they do it now"

9/11 was not the first time a plane was hijacked or the first time american interests were threatend by a hijacked flight. Yet nothing was done about this one...

What was bush's response? Invade Iraq...Iraq? what have they got to do with anything? They said they were going after al-quaida, but only a couple of hundred troops were sent to search the hills of afghanistan over a area that would take decades for that amount of soldiers to comb...all he has to do is go somewhere they've already checked!

Hundreds of thousands of soldiers were sent to Iraq (whcih just happens to be the second biggest producer of oil in the middle east....biggest being our friends from saudi arabia...all owned by the royal familly)

Amercia seizes the oil...Bush's buddies back in the US are charging 300% more for what they already own, as are the multi billionaire arabs and US has controll of one of the biggest oil refineries on the planet. Securing their place as super power for good.

What was americas "reason" for invading Iraq? If we remember correctly, it was weapons of mass distruction. This is after all of Europe (with the exception of america's bitch) urging not to invade...after the UN inspected and was satisfied with Iraq's claims of having no weapons of mass distruction...America went in and found nothing! Absolutely nothing!

So what did Bush do? "Oh, well actually, it was more about human rights and torture...

Then the photo's....Iraq's being ritually humiliated and tortured in american captivity...iirc recently a tourcher ring under us controll was revealed also.

Who's next on the "axis of evil"? Iran...after Iraq, the third biggest producer of oil in the middle east....

If he wanted to go after "dictators" and secure "democracy and human rights" well, no where needs regime change and independance than most of southern and western Africa..those countries need to be re-built...but where's the profit?

Or, go after S.Korea....except they don't have any oil and have threatend the US with nuclear war.....Uncle sam slowly back away...

Which is EXACTLY why Iran now claims to have joined the nuclear club...so the US will back off...but they'll call their bluff and use it as the exact reason to invade.

And after all the crap, bush gets re-elected...how?

Easy, appeal to the one thing middle america, the bible belt (and most populos region of america) will always protect and fight for....Religion....THIS IS A RELIGIOUS WAR NOW PEOPLE!! Sorry, it wasn't about the bombs, it wasn't about human rights....i got it now...ITS ABOUT RELIGION!!

got any oil I could borrow?

So Glad

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I think it's just about time to quote the wise James Hetfield:

"Lady justice has been raped"

So Glad

I know what you mean. I hate this retarded planet and I hate America and wish a big meteor would plough into it and erase it from the planet and we would all live in moderate harmony and our thoughts will never be subjected to propoganda and everything on the planet will not be tagged with a dollar sign. Yeah, I'm a bit on the other side of the road regarding diplomacy....

Ciaran500

So Glad wrote:

I know what you mean. I hate this retarded planet and I hate America and wish a big meteor would plough into it and erase it from the planet and we would all live in moderate harmony and our thoughts will never be subjected to propoganda and everything on the planet will not be tagged with a dollar sign. Yeah, I'm a bit on the other side of the road regarding diplomacy....

Because killing all the citzens of the US is fair to try and get rid of the government. :rolleyes:

So Glad

Ciaran500 wrote:

Because killing all the citzens of the US is fair to try and get rid of the government. :rolleyes:

No use in killing the weed. You have to kill the roots.

Ciaran500

So Glad wrote:

No use in killing the weed. You have to kill the roots.

And you wonder why people won't believe your theories with the shíte you spout

So Glad

Ciaran500 wrote:

And you wonder why people won't believe your theories with the shíte you spout

Its not a theory. It's my opinion.

Ciaran500

So Glad wrote:

Its not a theory. It's my opinion.

You were posting theories about 911 earlier in the thread. :rolleyes:

Squaddy

Ciaran500 wrote:

And you wonder why people won't believe your theories with the shíte you spout

People are free to express their opinions, thats what this site is all about. The only ****e is coming from you.

So Glad

Also. Don't take it so seriously. It was mearly ironic!