BESS Thread

Tricity Bendix

Bartronilic wrote:

Why do they make it more complicated in the lectures? And Sean Barrat revises everything we did in the past lectures EVERY lecture. He's my favourite lecturer of them all. I think Management 1 and Economy of Ireland seem easy but we'll all fail them miserably becuase they'll mark them hard.

Barrett's method is pure genius. He doesn't have anywhere near enough material to last an entire year, so he just repeats the same stuff over and over. Its great if someone comes in late. He'll start the entire lecture over again, only he'll say it directly to the laggard.

Bartronilic

Yeah it's so great, you only have to attend every about 3 lectures and he has been the same lecturer for years so using past exam papers is a doddle.

Management 1 has changed this year, we do something called Organisational Behaviour as the first part instead of Services Operations Management. Was it ever done in another part of BESS before? Like a third year course?

Magnusd

Hi There,
I’ve just transferred to SF BESS,

I’m doing: Management 1
Management 2
Hist Pol thought
Russian East, Pol
Social Research
Economic Geog

I realise I've got a lot of assignments, essays and exams due so I would like to ask for advice from people doing any of these subjects:
1) Management 1 and Management 2 (Accounting)- what days are the term exams...what will the topics be and what should I study!
2) Hist Pol thought + Russian East Pol: What are the essays titles, what date are they due, what should I read?
3) Social research- I have not been assigned a tutorial yet... what is the group project?
4) Is there any continuous assessment for Economic Geog?

Many Thanks in advance!

Black_Couch

For Organisational Behavior, get out the book and read it.


Accounting - you might want to do the same. Also the notes he hands out at each lecture, they aren't on the internet but he must have a back-up copy so if u only transferred recently, ask him to help u out by giving u the sheets. I think he is also setting up some group of people who have already done accounting before to help out those struggling. He also set up some sort of study group today at the end of the lecture.

shay_562

^ What he said. Don't know of anyone doing SF Politics on boards except Awayindahils, so can't help much with the other ones.

Also, exam times for all BESS courses are stuck up on the BESS noticeboard - it's on the 3rd floor of the Arts Block.

Bartronilic

I have 6 exams, most SF BESS people have 2 or 5. Woo!

mizz.yelof!!!

shay_562 wrote:

^ What he said. Don't know of anyone doing SF Politics on boards except Awayindahils, so can't help much with the other ones.

me shay me! i do politics too!

yea ok so hist. politics, dont panick. course hasnt changed like in the last century or something! so like all you have to do is all the gay boring readings. the essay is due the first day back of term after christmas.

i dont do russian pol i doing western pol so im not sure about the due dates for that essay but there is something that there are 3 essays during the full year and you only have to hand in and attempt 2 so like if you having loads to catch up on then you actually mightnt have to do the 1st one. but ill check that again tho.

as regards social research, well firstly havnt a notion whats going on in lectures but dont fret about tutorial groups tere was a mic up with me and i only got assigned to turorial last week. email the tutorial leader she actually reallyu nice and explain and she'll put you in a group.bobeka@tcd.ie

mizz.yelof!!!

Bartronilic wrote:

I have 6 exams, most SF BESS people have 2 or 5. Woo!

2!!! wooo wooop di whoop!

im so dissappointed in you, pav was very good last nite,messy but good:mad:

Management 1 (I presume its still Mary Lee) is one of the easiest subjects out there... just spend a day going over the notes on the web and the book and you'll get a 2:1 no bother..

Management 2 is a bit trickier if you haven't done accounting before - however concentrate on the priniciples and reasons why you did something, then even if it doesn;t work out you'll still get good marks (Pat's very fair in that way)

Black_Couch

original_psycho wrote:

Management 1 (I presume its still Mary Lee) is one of the easiest subjects out there... just spend a day going over the notes on the web and the book and you'll get a 2:1 no bother..

Management 2 is a bit trickier if you haven't done accounting before - however concentrate on the priniciples and reasons why you did something, then even if it doesn;t work out you'll still get good marks (Pat's very fair in that way)

No Management 1 is Martin Fellenz. Its organisational behaviour.

Sounds better then Service Ops aka Jargon Studies

Magnusd

Thanks so much for the replies guys....

So Management 1 is OB ? What happened to service OPs? I cant believe they did not update the bess handbook!!

What is the name of the OB book? Are the Lecture notes and course outline available online?
What about past exam papers?

Thanks Again!

Magnusd

Also on the school of business website it says there is an Intranet site for each year-

"There are four Business School intranet sites, one for each year of the undergraduate degree, which provide information, commentary, and discussion and are very useful sources of information for students."

How do I log in to this?
Thanks!

Magnusd

Does anyone know the name of the SF Orginazional Beheivour bok?
Thanks!

mizz.yelof!!!

Magnusd wrote:

Does anyone know the name of the SF Orginazional Beheivour bok?
Thanks!

internet site is www.sfbusiness.webexone.com

and make a porfile for yourself, you can get all the lecture overheads on that aswel as some random questions fellenz did in tutorial groups.

as for the OB book its called Organisational Behaviour : core concepts, we using the 6th edition, basically for the exam you need to know the chapters we've overed inside out and how to apply them to situations.

Magnusd

Thanks a mill for that- got everything i need for these exams:)

Good luck !

sully-gormo

Hey, Im thinking of transferring to BESS next term, and im in first year. I went to a few lectures last term and it seems I wont have much trouble catching up. What do ye all make of the course. Im doing Th.Physics right now and im changing because id be more interested in the subject matter in BESS. Im in a bit of a conundrum because im much better in Maths and physics oriented stuff, and im doing ok at the course, considering everyone is telling you its really hard; but id be much more interested in BESS subjects(id probably go for single hon. Econ. or Joint Hon. Econ+PolSci). And I have a much better idea of what id want to do after TP than BESS. So do I plump for what im good at or what interests me(and I dont dislike TP, im indifferent, id just be more interested in BESS)?

Attractive Nun

I'm JF HistPol, not BESS, but my advice might still be vaguely useful since I have sociology and political science lectures with BESS. Obviously everyone will have a different experience, but in my opinion the above two courses are somewhere between mediocre and terrible. The lectures are supposed to provide for over 400 people, which is obviously close to impossible for a subject like politics, in particular. I would say, somewhat paradoxically, that if you have any interest in, or any great knowledge about, politics, then you will not like the course. It (understandably, perhaps) seems geared towards people who have no interest in politics at all, and is thus very basic and quite frustrating. Sociology is just an awful subject, as has been discussed before on this board - but that's of course just my opinion, some people inexplicably love it. In comparison to the other three subjects I take, the BESS lectures are dire.

On the plus side, it's hopefully safe to assume that first year should weed out those who are completely uninterested in politics, and allow for more focussed and interesting study over the next three years, although I have heard bad things about the politics department in Trinity in general. You should have absolutely no trouble catching up, in any case.

I don't want to come to an unfair conclusion, but many of the people I know studying BESS rank sociology and politics as their favourite subjects, which could mean one of two things. Either the course is really bad, or (more likely) those subjects just happen not to appeal to me. I suppose given your mathsy background, Economics and Maths & Stats would be right up your ally.

En bref, I wouldn't choose BESS. If you're that set on Economics, it might be an idea to go TSM Economics+Philosophy/Maths/Whatever. If you can overlook economics, and are interested in history, HistPol might be a good choice, we have a great introductory course to Economic Policy, and you'd have an opportunity to further study politics. Whatever you choose, good luck!

shay_562

Tbh, you're the only one who can decide. From everyone I've talked to, Pol Sci gets a lot better after 1st year; I know from personal experience that Business and Economics get alot more interesting. If I were you, I'd pick the course that interests you over the course you think you'll do better in; I nearly went for Politics over Economics this year on the grounds that it's harder to tank out of (being a more essay-based than maths-based subject, no disrespect to PolSci etc etc), went to a few lectures and realised what a horrible mistake it would be. One thing though - make absolutely sure you can switch before packing in TP; you don't want to end up in limbo and have to repeat 1st year, and college can be bastards about course switches, especially this late in the year. Best of luck either way!

shay_562

shay_562 wrote:

college can be bastards about course switches, especially this late in the year. Best of luck either way!

True, but a deadline for transferring from a JF course to another is the 12th or 13th or whenever the first Friday of next term is, and every other course just looooves ex-TPs*

*Most memorable comment by a lecturer: I was in a group of 'TP Refugees'.

Stargal

Attractive Nun wrote:

Lot of stuff about how terrible BESS is

That advice wasn't really helpful. It was all totally subjective.

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If you're good at maths and interested in economics, I really have to recommend that you switch to TSM Maths & Economics. If you're good at maths and interested in economics, I really have to recommend that you switch to TSM Maths & Economics. If you're good at maths and interested in economics, I really have to recommend that you switch to TSM Maths & Economics.

Just in case you missed my advice .

Economics is becoming a subset of Physics. This isn't just my assertion, it was one of the first things that Prof. A.E. Murphy said to us this year - given that he has specialised in the evolution of economics, it says a lot. There is a lot of maths in economics - particularly in the Sophister years - and doing maths with it makes it much easier for you. It also makes you very employable.

And also you get to do some of the less technical courses, such as EC2020 Economy of Ireland and EC3040 Economics of Less Developed Countries if you want to get wordy.

Attractive Nun

stargal wrote:

That advice wasn't really helpful. It was all totally subjective.

It was indeed, as I feel I made clear with my italicised "I". It is quite difficult to give objective advice about things like this, but it hardly hurts to read others' personal experiences.

gilroyb

I just graduated from BESS (Econ/Pol) this year. There is a huge range of variety among the various courses, even within economics and politics. If you want to message me and say what exactly you (think) you would like/would want from BESS, I can tell you if it was there in my experience.

Andrew 83

Obviously everyone has different tastes and interests. If you are interested in one or two subjects then you will obvisouly like them more in later years as you will be studying things in more depth and gain greater understandings. By the same token if you don't like something you will probably give it up before you give it a full chance.

Personally I thought the 1st year Maths and Stats course in BESS was a walk in the park, sub-Junior Cert standard but boring. Didn't like Economics at all either.

Found first year Business alright so did 3 subjects in second year - Business, Sociology and Politics with the intention of doing Business and one of the other two in the last two years as that seemed the most sensible. Didn't enjoy Business at all in 2nd year though while my interest in the other two grew so ended up doing them for my degree. Then ended up preferring Sociology and developing more of an interest in that over those two years so did my Masters in that.

It's only natural that your interests evolve like that. None of the subjects are crap and they're all done at exceptionally basic (sometimes tedious) levels in first year but that's to see what you have more of a vague interest in. I'm not going to dismiss the ones that didn't grab me as not being good - things will always seem better the higher your interest level and the more time you spend studying them.

The great thing about BESS as a course is that these are subjects that people may not have that clear of a knowledge about at the start and it provides a great entry point for sampling each before deciding what you want to specialise in.

For me college really started in 2nd year - most of the stuff you do in 1st year is purely introduction with no real long term bearing. I think you could probably start in second year and get on fine, the thing is you wouldn't know what you wanted to do yet

Running Bing

Just checked my js timetable. Econometrics lectures on a saturday and two econometric seminars(I assume that is what is meant by SEM) tomorrow. Wtf is the story with that?

europerson

Babybing wrote:

Just checked my js timetable. Econometrics lectures on a saturday and two econometric seminars(I assume that is what is meant by SEM) tomorrow. Wtf is the story with that?

I'm not quite sure. No-one said anything to us about a change in the lecture timetable, but my SIS timetable has the change too.

Running Bing

With michael harison taking over I think some econometric lectures are definately changeing. I have an econometrics lecture down for 4-5 on a friday and it has a room and michael harrison down as the lecturer so I assume thats concrete. He's down for the 9 oclock friday lecture as well so I assume they will be his two lectures. The saturday could be the tutorial(as his name isnt down were the old tutorial was and it is in other cases e.g. for economics) or it may have something to do with these projects

It's not until week 19 though... which is Trinity Term

Time Magazine

Don't think so. Week 19 is really Week 19-5 = 14, as Freshers' Week is Week 4 by SIS standards.