BESS Thread

shay_562

b.ie_polar wrote:

Its got a lot to do with (b). And the stripper boots.

I will wait until she wears these stripper boots to class and re-evaluate. But they'd want to be some pretty strippery boots...

rardagh

Hi,

I did the EAP ( http://www.escp-eap.net/ ) thing after two years in BESS.

I really enjoyed it, had a great time, and wound up with a much more marketable education than the TCD degree alone.

The entrance to the course wasn't a problem, at the time. Antoin Murphy was the TCD mastermind behind the establishment of the EAP link, and he was very encouraging to everyone who was interested in it.

The only minor challenge of the course were the languages, I picked a track which included German (I had never studied it before) as well as French (this wasn't a problem - Leaving Cert French combined with the TCD course is actually a very good level). Although it worked out in the end, I should have been more diligent in taking the German language classes available in Paris and Oxford.

The vast majority of people attending the EAP are French and German. Their preferred career track after finishing was either Investment Banking, Strategy Consulting, or Marketing (either FMCG or Lux). Compared to the class finishing in Trinity the odds of getting that type of job in a 'big' international company were much improved.

If you are very uncomfortable with being away from home, with constant change, with meeting new friends, with different cultures, with working (you have to undertake in-company placements in each of the countries you study in), don't bother. Otherwise, it could be a very rewarding, fun, experience. It was for me.

Rory

Randomness wrote: »

yo everyone, fellow bessheads i have a question.....
what's the story with the going to france thing in 3rd year.
this is a quote from the course stuff...


"In addition, there are a limited number of places available on two degree programmes involving an extended period of study at either the École Européenne des Affaires de Paris (EAP) or the École des Hautes Etudes Commerciales (HEC). These lead to the double award of the degree of B.A. (Moderatorship) with honors or the Bachelor of Business Studies from the University of Dublin and a postgraduate qualification from the partner institutions"

does anyone know a) how do you get in, b) is it hard to get in, c) anyone who has done it etc n wat d general story is?

when do ya start applyin/goin for stuff like this or is it jus kinda when it comes up?

im in jf now so i know it's not for a while but im jus wonderin wat the story is now?

thanks in advance!

Running Bing

It does sound like an excellent opportunity and I can see why it would make way more marketable to employers.



I think it takes a certain type of person though as you point out....dont know wheter I could have done it:rolleyes:

zuchum

Can anyone tell me if the JF Christmas tests require a lot of studying time? I was thinking of getting a job for some of December and wonder if it'll be too hard...

Also,when do they start/end generally? And do we have exams in all our subjects?

Awayindahils

JF BESS have exams in Economics, Maths and Stats and in Business. The exams will be the week beginning the 10th of December. Usually JF BESS have all 3 exams over by the end of the Wednesday of the week but there is no guarantee that it will be the same this year.

You may also have an exam if you do a language as your 6th subject, but i think they're held during term time proper.

daboyfergie

Read in an unbiased article that B+L is is viewed as a better degree than BESS by employers, ha - losers.

Time Magazine

daboyfergie wrote: »

Read in an unbiased article that B+L is is viewed as a better degree than BESS by employers, ha - losers.

I read an unbiased report that put TCD as the 53rd best university in the world while UCDD was only in the "top 200".

But yeah, I agree, B+L students are losers.

ApeXaviour

Right lads enough

Randomness

rardagh wrote: »

Hi,

I did the EAP ( http://www.escp-eap.net/ ) thing after two years in BESS.

I really enjoyed it, had a great time, and wound up with a much more marketable education than the TCD degree alone.

The entrance to the course wasn't a problem, at the time. Antoin Murphy was the TCD mastermind behind the establishment of the EAP link, and he was very encouraging to everyone who was interested in it.

The only minor challenge of the course were the languages, I picked a track which included German (I had never studied it before) as well as French (this wasn't a problem - Leaving Cert French combined with the TCD course is actually a very good level). Although it worked out in the end, I should have been more diligent in taking the German language classes available in Paris and Oxford.

The vast majority of people attending the EAP are French and German. Their preferred career track after finishing was either Investment Banking, Strategy Consulting, or Marketing (either FMCG or Lux). Compared to the class finishing in Trinity the odds of getting that type of job in a 'big' international company were much improved.

If you are very uncomfortable with being away from home, with constant change, with meeting new friends, with different cultures, with working (you have to undertake in-company placements in each of the countries you study in), don't bother. Otherwise, it could be a very rewarding, fun, experience. It was for me.

Rory

hey thanks for the info, i sent you a pm with a few more questions if you don't mind answering them. thanks

Marshy

Awayindahils wrote: »

JF BESS have exams in Economics, Maths and Stats and in Business.

AFAIK we have a multiple choice exam in Political Science too.

Awayindahils

Marshy wrote: »

AFAIK we have a multiple choice exam in Political Science too.

We had a take home exam when I was in first year which was an essay to write in 24 hours, so new lecturer, new form of assessment.

manicmonoliths

Marshy wrote: »

AFAIK we have a multiple choice exam in Political Science too.

That will probably have 20 rather than 40 questions it seems:D
Although, with Raj it could go either way!
I'm hoping for a question on Copperface Jacks!:p

europerson

manicmonoliths wrote: »

I'm hoping for a question on Copperface Jacks!:p

That whole place is questionable.

manicmonoliths

europerson wrote: »

That whole place is questionable.

That was Raj's point!
I actually can't remember how we got from constitutions to sleazy night clubs on Harcourt Street, but it doesn't really matter!

europerson

Ever conscious of the esoteric nature of these threads, "Raj" is Dr. Raj Chari, a Senior Lecturer in Political Science. He takes the sole Junior Freshman course offered by his Department, Introduction to Political Science.

Now, that's out of the way: what was his point?

manicmonoliths

europerson wrote: »

Ever conscious of the esoteric nature of these threads, "Raj" is Dr. Raj Chari, a Senior Lecturer in Political Science. He takes the sole Junior Freshman course offered by his Department, Introduction to Political Science.

Now, that's out of the way: what was his point?

I think he was trying to explain freedom of expression, by saying we can't walk down Harcourt Street shouting at 3 in the morning. Then he invariably got on to the topic of Copperface Jack's.

I've never been there, but now I'm tempted. Raj has yet to steer me wrong!

manicmonoliths

I know it might seem a bit early to be worrying about this now, but I'm struggling to make up my mind about course choices next year.

I'm only in JF now, but I'm not sure which direction I want to go in next year.

I'm almost 100% sure that I don't want to keep up Political Science, so thats off the table straight away.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to try to do a joint honours degree but in terms of course choices for SF I've no idea what to pick.

The courses I'm fairly certain of at the moment are Man 1 and 2 and Maths,
but I'm not sure whether I should do Economics or Sociology.

Is there any way I'd be able to 'sit on the fence' a while longer through second year, keeping the option to specialise in either? I've heard in some cases it's possible to take 7 courses in SF, what are the conditions for that?

What are your experiences of the various SF courses?

Time Magazine

If you want to do Business, Economics is more complementary than Sociology. It's also more employable.

I did Business + Economics in SF, streaming into single-honour Economics in JS.

Also, in terms of choices, Coppers seems to be unpopular with Business students .

Though me and the economics gang have been nerding it up on nights out so much of late that we're going there on Tuesday night.

defiantshrimp

manicmonoliths wrote: »

I know it might seem a bit early to be worrying about this now, but I'm struggling to make up my mind about course choices next year.

I'm only in JF now, but I'm not sure which direction I want to go in next year.

I'm almost 100% sure that I don't want to keep up Political Science, so thats off the table straight away.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to try to do a joint honours degree but in terms of course choices for SF I've no idea what to pick.

The courses I'm fairly certain of at the moment are Man 1 and 2 and Maths,
but I'm not sure whether I should do Economics or Sociology.

Is there any way I'd be able to 'sit on the fence' a while longer through second year, keeping the option to specialise in either? I've heard in some cases it's possible to take 7 courses in SF, what are the conditions for that?

What are your experiences of the various SF courses?

I'd say worry about subject choices in May or whenever they are due. Though Ibid is right, Econ + BUsiness makes more sense that Sociology + Business.

Running Bing

manicmonoliths wrote: »

I know it might seem a bit early to be worrying about this now, but I'm struggling to make up my mind about course choices next year.

I'm only in JF now, but I'm not sure which direction I want to go in next year.

I'm almost 100% sure that I don't want to keep up Political Science, so thats off the table straight away.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to try to do a joint honours degree but in terms of course choices for SF I've no idea what to pick.

The courses I'm fairly certain of at the moment are Man 1 and 2 and Maths,
but I'm not sure whether I should do Economics or Sociology.

Is there any way I'd be able to 'sit on the fence' a while longer through second year, keeping the option to specialise in either? I've heard in some cases it's possible to take 7 courses in SF, what are the conditions for that?

What are your experiences of the various SF courses?

Lol dont worry about it man. Just let the year go and you'll know yourself come May.

most do joint Honors Bus+ Ec in SF which is sensible as it keeps your options open and by the end of SF you have an excellent idea of what you want to do.


Dont worry about it though. You dont have to finalise things until October 2008 FFS...You'll know by then.

Pugwash

While subjects being complimentary is great and all do consider the fact that a bit of variety can be great!

I know having to force-down accounting in second year was offset somewhat by getting to read about russian and eastern european politics.

Play to your strengths anyway. If sociology interests you, do it. I think it often gets wrongly overlooked for being "too wishy-washy". Alot of the people i know studying it really like it. They particularly sung the praises of european societies in second year.

Awayindahils

manicmonoliths wrote: »

Is there any way I'd be able to 'sit on the fence' a while longer through second year, keeping the option to specialise in either? I've heard in some cases it's possible to take 7 courses in SF, what are the conditions for that?

What are your experiences of the various SF courses?

People who take 7 courses in SF BESS take 5 standard courses and two Broad curriculum courses. It is not possible to take 7 standard courses.

If you're good at Maths economics won't be too hard.

manicmonoliths

Thanks for the input on the course choices guys.

Here's another one! I've heard that if you do joint honours Business and Economics, you get a Bachelor of Arts degree as oppossed to a Bachelor of Commerce. People have been saying Arts doesn't look to good on a CV:D I happen to agree.
Obviously you still have the Business degree though. But is there any real difference between single and joint honours? The idea of single honours Business kills me!

Time Magazine

You don't get a Bachelor of Commerce. You get a BBS; a Bachelor in Bullshit Business Studies.

Trinity gives BA's to its physicists. It doesn't look bad on your CV; it's the grade and content of your course that matters. If you want to be a whore, do a BBS. If you want to go into academia, don't.

manicmonoliths

Ibid wrote: »

You don't get a Bachelor of Commerce. You get a BBS; a Bachelor in Bullshit Business Studies.

Trinity gives BA's to its physicists. It doesn't look bad on your CV; it's the grade and content of your course that matters. If you want to be a whore, do a BBS. If you want to go into academia, don't.

But what if you do the joint honours? Do you get a BA and BBS?

Time Magazine

You get a BA.

manicmonoliths

So JF Xmas exams coming up.....
Makes me wish I'd done something the past 2 months.

Any older students have any words of wisdom? Do these exams generally go with the fact that no one has done anything?

Can you just study the night before or are they a bit more complicated than that?

Running Bing

manicmonoliths wrote: »

So JF Xmas exams coming up.....
Makes me wish I'd done something the past 2 months.

Any older students have any words of wisdom? Do these exams generally go with the fact that no one has done anything?

Can you just study the night before or are they a bit more complicated than that?

Start studying now. They are not the most complicated exams in the world but they do reward work.

The way I remember it management is just about doing and knowing the readings, Maths was a piece of piss, Economy was harder than I thought it would be and Pol sci was a take home exam so was fine.

Not sure how much it has changed but I would say if you start working now you will get through them.

Tricity Bendix

manicmonoliths wrote: »

So JF Xmas exams coming up.....
Makes me wish I'd done something the past 2 months.

Any older students have any words of wisdom? Do these exams generally go with the fact that no one has done anything?

Can you just study the night before or are they a bit more complicated than that?

They're only first year christmas exams. Remember that.

manicmonoliths

Babybing wrote: »

Start studying now. They are not the most complicated exams in the world but they do reward work.

The way I remember it management is just about doing and knowing the readings, Maths was a piece of piss, Economy was harder than I thought it would be and Pol sci was a take home exam so was fine.

Not sure how much it has changed but I would say if you start working now you will get through them.

Pol sci is a multiple choice exam this year, but you're right Maths should be piss easy.