BESS Thread

andrew

What is this I don't even

Jegger

"Moore" of this kind of thing.

feargal05

Jegger wrote: »

"Moore" of this kind of thing.

Gimme gimme Moore, gimme Moore, gimme Feargal Moore.

but seriously bein' serious, anyone else doin' BESS?

OrlaB12693

Told you ya were bein a bit over the top for boards! :P no ones ready for your humour!:L

Lawliet

irishgirl10

BESS!:)

IfUSeekAmy

Lady Gaga, Britney & The French Language in this thread.

I think we should be friends. Even if I'm in Law&French.

AgathaK

Some exciting stuff here... I wonder if it's going to be so crazy loco when we actually get to meet up during freshers? :P

feargal05

IfUSeekAmy wrote: »

Lady Gaga, Britney & The French Language in this thread.

I think we should be friends. Even if I'm in Law&French.

Oh god yeah I'm all for meetin some LnF girlies! lets do it! ooooo friend!

feargal05

AgathaK wrote: »

Some exciting stuff here... I wonder if it's going to be so crazy loco when we actually get to meet up during freshers? :P

oh god yeah, it's all gonna be coco loco, well as coco loco as you make it....................buyee

Jonathan

Threads merged.

Jegger

_Ann_ wrote: »

Does anyone know if Garda Vetting is required for BESS?

Aww that was so funny. Whenever I need a good laugh I read through this thread, it never disappoints.

bm1993

I'm starting BESS in a couple of weeks and have a question about the language module. I did French for the leaving and got a HC1 but I want to do Spanish as part of BESS. Is it possible to start Spanish from scratch in BESS and if not can I do Spanish with the CLCS as an optional language module?

kmhenry

RuehlTheWorld wrote: »

JF doing Business and French, thinking of switching to BESS. Is it still possible?

Say so yeah- you definitely would have the points for bess so definitely wouldn't be a problem changing if you contact the course office or your tutor. I'm in SF Business and French though and the courses are extremely similar. You practically do BESS except one module of just say law or sociology would be replaced with the bsf french writing skills module.

theyearof2010

Are tutorials in bess SF mandatory and is attendance recorded? Or is it optional and you can slip into any?

irishgirl10

When do BESS freshers get their timetables?? Beyond excited!

Jonathan

Aside from the fact that you are spamming, you are also in breach of the election rules.

Section 2, Article 1 in particular.

Class Rep Election Rules wrote:

2. CAMPAIGNING:
1. The Campaign Period:
a. Campaigning will begin at 09:00 on Monday the 3rd October 2011.
b. Campaigning will end at 16:00 on Thursday the 5th October 2011.
c. There shall be no campaigning before this period.

Don't worry about deleting your post, I've already forwarded a screenshot to the Electoral Commission.

Larianne

They got their dates wrong so maybe it makes them obsolete! :pac:

feargal05

Larianne wrote: »

They got their dates wrong so maybe it makes them obsolete! :pac:

oh crap, had no idea i was in breach by posting a thread. I best delete it anyway.

will this mean getting thrown out of the campaign?

UrbanSea

Does anyone know where to find the Economics homework on MyEconLab?

Not the ones you do online,but the questions to do for the tutorial?

Hande hoche!

UrbanSea wrote: »

Does anyone know where to find the Economics homework on MyEconLab?

Not the ones you do online,but the questions to do for the tutorial?

In web CT go to EC1010 , then Micro Homeworks 2011-12 folder. The four homeworks so far this term should be there. Will typically be multiple choice questions similar to the online work and questions to be done from the text book.

_Bella_

I am considering doing a TSM combination of economics and history and was hoping you guys could some answer some questions of mine on the economics side. I was firstly wondering how maths orientated the course is, I don't mind maths but was just wondering how much is included in the course. Also do you find it interesting and are there many essays? Thank you very much in advance.

ChloeElla

Hey, I'm in Law & German atm but really considering transferring to BESS. Just wondering, what's the course like so far, & would I be completely lost by joining after like 6 weeks? Thanks

Tragedy

No, the first six weeks(and indeed most of the first year) can be picked up relatively quickly. If you want to change, do it ASAP though as if you leave it much longer you'll have zero chance.

Keen2win

Ok, time to pick subjects for SF BESS.
Anyone got any opinions, what's brilliant, what's rubbish? Looking at going down the Business/Economics route, but feel free to comment about any of the modules!

Richieee

Keen2win wrote: »

Ok, time to pick subjects for SF BESS.
Anyone got any opinions, what's brilliant, what's rubbish? Looking at going down the Business/Economics route, but feel free to comment about any of the modules!

Unless you're doing a language then you have no choice over your SF subjects if you're going for Business/Economics, but I'm sure you know that already! And if you are doing a language I'd advise taking Economy of Ireland over Finance/Operations.

I'm not going to comment on the business side of things because apart from accounting it isn't my cup of tea. I found the economics modules far more enjoyable and educational. Intermediate Economics is quite a step up from JF economics, particularly for the micro part of the course, but if you have an aptitude for it this year there shouldn't be much problem. The same goes for Maths & Stats. Economy of Ireland is excellent, both the course content and the lecturer, although the assessment methods could be better IMO.

Tragedy

I was extremely disappointed with the Business modules, 'tutorials' consist of around 60-90 people crammed into a room and there's no real interaction in them.

Economics modules are good, Economy of Ireland is well thought and relatively easy, maths&stats is going over everything you did in JF but in more depth, and Intermediate Economics is similar.

Richieee

If I could choose my SF modules again I'd go for 4 economics, 1 political science and 1 business.

Putting hindsight and bias aside, I think going for Bus/Econ is the safest route for SF as choosing anything other than that will mean that your only option is a single honors degree in whichever subject you choose.

Bears and Vodka

(not sure whether it's best to start a new thread but sure I'll ask here since its about BESS.)

So, I'm in 6th year now. Right now all my CAO's are 'creative', Multimedia in DCU, Photography in DIT/IADT etc. I'm into graphic design and photography so my CAOs seem to suit my interests.

But recently I thought that since Economics is my favourite subject in school and that I'm very comfortable at it, why not do an Economics minded course instead? Economics and Russian intrigued me first (since I'm fluent) but I decided if I were to do a course in Economics I'd like to keep my choices open so I'm more interested in BESS now. At the moment I'm split 50/50 whether to put BESS as my first choice or stick with Multimedia in DCU.

At the moment I'm researching (well, reading the prospectus!) the course and it's always best to ask opinion of those doing it so here goes:

Taking into consideration I find most of the LC Economics course enjoyable (apart from the SR and LR graphs!), is it a fair assumption to presume that I will find BESS interesting, especially if I were to take on Economics for 3rd and 4th years?

I'm not doing and have never done Business as a subject in school. If I go for this course, will that be a major disadvantage to me?

I'm doing OL Maths and very comfortable at it (A2 in the mocks); will I find the Math aspect of BESS (Statistics I think?) very difficult?

I know it's a very vague, debatable and open-ended question but: what are the career prospects of an average BESS graduate like at the moment?

Thanks in advance to anyone who may try to answer my questions, I tried to be as clear as possible!

Richieee

subz3r0 wrote: »

Taking into consideration I find most of the LC Economics course enjoyable (apart from the SR and LR graphs!), is it a fair assumption to presume that I will find BESS interesting, especially if I were to take on Economics for 3rd and 4th years?

I'm not doing and have never done Business as a subject in school. If I go for this course, will that be a major disadvantage to me?

I'm doing OL Maths and very comfortable at it (A2 in the mocks); will I find the Math aspect of BESS (Statistics I think?) very difficult?

I know it's a very vague, debatable and open-ended question but: what are the career prospects of an average BESS graduate like at the moment?

If you didn't already know you can do a Russian module in both 1st and 2nd year of BESS.

1st year economics is essentially LC economics just with slightly more detail in certain areas. So I don't see why you wouldn't enjoy the economics element of BESS. It's hard to say whether you'd find BESS as a whole interesting though because obviously you have to take other modules such as Sociology and Political Science in 1st year, which aren't overly enjoyable in 1st year due to how general they are (Sociology in particular). I'm similar to you in that economics was my main choice for doing BESS. And I definitely found the course more enjoyable in 2nd year due to specialising a bit more. I can only imagine that it will get better again in 3rd/4th year.
You should be warned that it can get very mathematical if you choose certain modules in later years, and there appears to be a strong emphasis on taking such modules to appeal to certain employers/post-grad courses.

You'll be at no disadvantage having not done LC business. Although the courses are seperate at LC level, LC accounting would be of use in subsequent years if you chose accounting modules.

You do both Maths and Statistics in first year. You wouldn't face much of a problem with either provided you put in the effort.

I can't really answer your last question.

daithiolabhrai

subz3r0 wrote: »

(not sure whether it's best to start a new thread but sure I'll ask here since its about BESS.)

So, I'm in 6th year now. Right now all my CAO's are 'creative', Multimedia in DCU, Photography in DIT/IADT etc. I'm into graphic design and photography so my CAOs seem to suit my interests.

But recently I thought that since Economics is my favourite subject in school and that I'm very comfortable at it, why not do an Economics minded course instead? Economics and Russian intrigued me first (since I'm fluent) but I decided if I were to do a course in Economics I'd like to keep my choices open so I'm more interested in BESS now. At the moment I'm split 50/50 whether to put BESS as my first choice or stick with Multimedia in DCU.

At the moment I'm researching (well, reading the prospectus!) the course and it's always best to ask opinion of those doing it so here goes:

Taking into consideration I find most of the LC Economics course enjoyable (apart from the SR and LR graphs!), is it a fair assumption to presume that I will find BESS interesting, especially if I were to take on Economics for 3rd and 4th years?

I'm not doing and have never done Business as a subject in school. If I go for this course, will that be a major disadvantage to me?

I'm doing OL Maths and very comfortable at it (A2 in the mocks); will I find the Math aspect of BESS (Statistics I think?) very difficult?

I know it's a very vague, debatable and open-ended question but: what are the career prospects of an average BESS graduate like at the moment?

Thanks in advance to anyone who may try to answer my questions, I tried to be as clear as possible!

Hey.

Okay so me and you are quite similar. I did economics for the LC, and it was my favourite subject, and didn't do business. I also do OL Maths, and got an A2 in the LC. I chose BESS with the intention of doing a either a single honors or joint honors degree in economics. I liked it for the fact it kept my options open (in case I liked business/politics/sociology).

However, on getting to college it wasn't what I expected. I didn't particularly like Economics, especially when it got very mathsy, which it often does. The Maths part of Maths and Stats is do-able, if you go to class and pay attention. It basically just brings you up to honors LC standard. The stats part I found very tough though, as did most people. I failed that part of the exam in the summer.

I was surprised by how much I liked business. It really was perfect for me. Credit to the business department in Trinity, their courses are very well run. In the end I decided to just go the route of single honors Business (something I never considered previously, but hey, thats what a broad course like BESS is for). I'm so glad I got to experience economics in college (which is quite different to the LC) before I committed to it long term.

I'm in my third year now and am really happy with the route I've taken. I have an internship for the summer and a job once I finish in one of the big four accounting firms (providing I get a 2.1). The employment prospects in BESS are, I believe, so much stronger than most other Trinity courses (especially if you go the Business or Economics route). If getting a job is one of your priorities then I'd strongly recommend it.

You seem to enjoy being creative, and most people would assume if you go down the business route, your creative side has to go down the drain. Not true. Marketing is fascinating and requires creative individuals. Human resource management similarly. And career prospects seem to be quite decent with these as well!

Hope this helps

Richieee

daithiolabhrai wrote: »

I'm in my third year now and am really happy with the route I've taken. I have an internship for the summer and a job once I finish in one of the big four accounting firms (providing I get a 2.1)

I'm interested in getting an internship next summer either in a company or in the Trinity Economics department. Is it a case of you were approached for the internship through Trinity or did you apply for one through your own initiative? And the same question applies to the job you have lined up.

Really should read up on these things..

daithiolabhrai

Richieee wrote: »

I'm interested in getting an internship next summer either in a company or in the Trinity Economics department. Is it a case of you were approached for the internship through Trinity or did you apply for one through your own initiative? And the same question applies to the job you have lined up.

Really should read up on these things..

Yeah I'd advise it, looks good on your CV if you do an internship. I applied myself for the internships with the Big 4 accountancy firms. They generally open applications to third year students in December, and carry out interviews in February.

I got offered an internship with KPMG. Pricewaterhousecoopers said they couldn't give me the internship because of limited places, but they were impressed with me so they would give me a graduate position when I finish (won't have to reinterview or anything) providing I get a 2.1.

Tragedy

Did you like second year Business Daithi? The business module was my favourite in JF (for the seminars) but then SF hit and it was "Welcome to ****ty tutorials with 40-70 people per tutorial and zero interactivity".

Incredibly disappointed with it this year.

andrew

subz3r0 wrote: »

At the moment I'm researching (well, reading the prospectus!) the course and it's always best to ask opinion of those doing it so here goes:

Taking into consideration I find most of the LC Economics course enjoyable (apart from the SR and LR graphs!), is it a fair assumption to presume that I will find BESS interesting, especially if I were to take on Economics for 3rd and 4th years?

I didn't do econ for the LC so I can't properly answer this, other than to say if you enjoy economics in general (and like the idea behind it, if you know what I mean) then I don't see why you'd dislike it in college. Though there's probably more maths involved in college.

I'm not doing and have never done Business as a subject in school. If I go for this course, will that be a major disadvantage to me?

No. 100% without a doubt no (I didn't do business for LC either).

I'm doing OL Maths and very comfortable at it (A2 in the mocks); will I find the Math aspect of BESS (Statistics I think?) very difficult?

I also did OL maths; you'll be well able for the maths & stats modules, (especially if you study for them).

I know it's a very vague, debatable and open-ended question but: what are the career prospects of an average BESS graduate like at the moment?

Well, they're a lot better than the career prospects for multimedia in DCU, and if it's a choice between one or the other, that should probably be the operative criteria. As someone who almost did Journalism in DCU (and have friends who did communications and journalism in DCU) I feel like i dodged a bullet in terms of picking BESS instead of journalism. The employment prospects for an economics grad are decent enough, because employers (banks, accountancy firms, stockbrokers, corporations, businesses in general) like people who have quantitative skills, and quantitative skills + a degree with the word 'business' in it makes you relatively attractive to employers than others (even if you know nothing about business in reality). In terms of my class this year, most people are going on to do a masters, but I can think of a decent number who've been offered jobs already. Since it's such a big class, I can't give more comprehensive numbers.

In contrast, people I know who did communications or journalism in DCU regret it, and where they do have jobs, they're not 'graduate' jobs. Where people I know who went to DCU do have jobs, they did EPL; Economics Politics and Law, which is basically DCU's version of BESS.

The way I rationalised it, was that if you want a career in media, you probably don't need a degree in it. Editing or sub editing a college newspaper is as much experience (if not more) experience than you'd get doing a multimedia degree, with the bonus that you've a relatively marketable degree to fall back on. And to the extent that publications like the Trinity Bull (a student run finance newspaper in Trinity) exist, there's decent scope for combining media type endevours with economics.


...well, I should stop procrastinating now. G'luck.

daithiolabhrai

Tragedy wrote: »

Did you like second year Business Daithi? The business module was my favourite in JF (for the seminars) but then SF hit and it was "Welcome to ****ty tutorials with 40-70 people per tutorial and zero interactivity".

Incredibly disappointed with it this year.

I agree that the tutorial situation in second year was a bit ridiculous, to the point where I just didn't go. Unfortunately, some of the tutorials in third year (accounting, marketing) can carry similar ridiculously high numbers. I think the business department view tutorials as just another class, whereas they probably should look more at things like small class discussions, etc (like Org and Mgmt in first year).

Tragedy

daithiolabhrai wrote: »

I agree that the tutorial situation in second year was a bit ridiculous, to the point where I just didn't go. Unfortunately, some of the tutorials in third year (accounting, marketing) can carry similar ridiculously high numbers. I think the business department view tutorials as just another class, whereas they probably should look more at things like small class discussions, etc (like Org and Mgmt in first year).

That's a shame. I assume it's to do with the Business department not having many(any?) phd students?

UrbanSea

Two questions:


You know for Chandler, what were the three prongs of his strategy? I've something different in my notes than I did a piece of work on, and it doesn't explicitly say in the paper in the book.


Also, what length should our answers in Intoro to Organisation and Management be?

Hande hoche!

3 to 4 pages. Chandler's prongs are investment in management, production/manufacturing and distribution/marketing.

JohnnyDoogue

Just wondering is anyone doing Strategic Management have lecture slides? Doing my masters, they would be a great help but none of my BESS friends seems to have done the course last year. Any help?

Keen2win

A friend of mine is after getting sick (IrishGirl10), and she was wondering if continuous assessment still stands to those repeating in august due to illness??

ummm1

Does anyone know what happens if you get less than 20 in 1 or 2 subjects but get over 40 in the rest?

Hande hoche!

You sit the repeats in that situation if I remember correctly.

ummm1

Hande hoche! wrote: »

You sit the repeats in that situation if I remember correctly.

Okay I hope so, it's a bad situation.

Miruku

Hi I was wondering if anyone can tell me...
1) Would it be a major disadvantage going into BESS if you didnt do accounting and economics in the Leaving Cert?

2) What are the main career path you can take after doing BESS other than accountant?

3) Do many company hire BESS graduates?

4) Is the French program really hard? And if you studied French, in third year can you still opt to go to another country like America or Hong Kong instead of France?

5) are the maths in business and economic modules very difficult?

Thank you .

blucey

Miruku wrote: »

Hi I was wondering if anyone can tell me...
1) Would it be a major disadvantage going into BESS if you didnt do accounting and economics in the Leaving Cert?

2) What are the main career path you can take after doing BESS other than accountant?

3) Do many company hire BESS graduates?

4) Is the French program really hard? And if you studied French, in third year can you still opt to go to another country like America or Hong Kong instead of France?

5) are the maths in business and economic modules very difficult?

Thank you .

1) no. An uncluttered mind is good
2) anything. Everything. Anything but
3) lots
4) its a university....and yes.
5) no, but amazingly every year people fail them.....

Jegger

Miruku wrote: »

Hi I was wondering if anyone can tell me...
1) Would it be a major disadvantage going into BESS if you didnt do accounting and economics in the Leaving Cert?

2) What are the main career path you can take after doing BESS other than accountant?

3) Do many company hire BESS graduates?

4) Is the French program really hard? And if you studied French, in third year can you still opt to go to another country like America or Hong Kong instead of France?

5) are the maths in business and economic modules very difficult?

Thank you .

2) You'll have plenty of time to worry about this is 4th year but if you really want to know go to gradireland.ie, it lists loads of current vacancies for graduates. BESS grads can apply for any which requires a business degree or economics degree (depending on which degree you choose). Anything really from general management to financial analyst to marketing/sales etc.

4) you can but if you are still doing French in 3rd year you will probably choose France. Yes languages are difficult, you have to learn about French business etc. in French.

5) They aren't very difficult but you would want to be doing honours maths unless your really going to put in loads of extra work. If you pass honours in the LC and go to lectures and tutorials (especially tutorials) then you should be fine. Also you can drop all maths and economics after first year.

AgathaK

anyone in 2nd year econ & pol science who wouldn't mind sharing their timetable pretty please?

Smiley Laura

I will be doing my leaving cert next year (ahh), but i want to sort out my CAO as much as i can during the summer. I'm torn between doing maths and economics, or BESS. Could someone tell me what is the most 'mathsy' degree I can come out of BESS with? Is there much maths at all in this course? Is economics very mathsy?

Thanks very much!

higgz

Smiley Laura wrote: »

I will be doing my leaving cert next year (ahh), but i want to sort out my CAO as much as i can during the summer. I'm torn between doing maths and economics, or BESS. Could someone tell me what is the most 'mathsy' degree I can come out of BESS with? Is there much maths at all in this course? Is economics very mathsy?

Thanks very much!

I'm guessing most mathsy would be pure Economics, or maybe Economics and Business.

If you like computers on top of maths and economics, I'd check out MSISS. That's my course and it's highly employable. Very low points too which is great, quires HL maths.