Library Opening Hours

Ahhh no. They still open on Sat though right?

xeduCat

Saturdays - 9.30am to 1pm (plus 1pm-4pm 'extra opening' - i.e. not all services necessarily provided - during term)

Sundays - 11am to 5pm (last term only).

This is how it's been for the last few years, anyway.

Hermione*

What? That's the library opening hours?! I kinda presumed when I was applying to Trinity that the hours would be similar to UCD, if not quite as generous. I don't live in the type of house that's really condusive to study.

Andrew 83

Hermione* wrote:

What? That's the library opening hours?! I kinda presumed when I was applying to Trinity that the hours would be similar to UCD, if not quite as generous. I don't live in the type of house that's really condusive to study.

It's 9am to 10pm on weekdays. If its any consolation the UCD library's collection in rubbish, Trinity's is miles better. Lots more books and more copies of them.

europerson

xeduCat wrote:

Saturdays - 9.30am to 1pm (plus 1pm-4pm 'extra opening' - i.e. not all services necessarily provided - during term)

Sundays - 11am to 5pm (last term only).

This is how it's been for the last few years, anyway.

It's still that way. (Linky)

Crash

LiouVille wrote:

Why would four way power sockets be needed? Surely one is enough for most people? Also whats wrong with using your own if you do need them?

Neil, I am calm.

what i meant by that was stop making personal attacks. consider it less advice and more a warning, k?

Boston

&#231 wrote: »

what i meant by that was stop making personal attacks.

Now now neil, you know well what my personal attacks are like. This is a difference of opinion.

consider it less advice and more a warning, k?

eye eye captain birds eye.

Time Magazine

Boston, two points:

Opening e.g. the Lecky 24 hours and closing e.g. the Hamilton is still a more preferable situation than neither open. The reverse is true, I'd still have the option of studying in the Hamilton (without economics books, just notes) if it was open 24 hours. I am, at least, as well off.

Secondly, charging a price is unfortunate. But the libraries don't open as is; a price would not deter those who cannot afford it. It just means that those who can afford it.... well, can afford it. Again, it's a better situation - by definition a "least worst" situation - than what currently exists. Unless the staff work for free (hahahahahahahahahaha*) it would have to be funded by students. That's not so bad. I'd rather individual payment (on the door) than everyone having an increased registration fee.

To everyone else: bloody Trinity bureaucracy!! Furthermore, I don't think Spain, who take rests in the middle of the working day, should be considered a suitable benchmark for our libraries. And last but not least, for no apparent reason, whatever tbh.

*Hahahahahahahahahaha. Bloody unions. God's sake, I work for €7.92 an hour and 120% wages on Sunday. Library workers are on €212.87 an hour I hear.

xeduCat

Do you really, honestly, truly believe that it's a "better situation" for access to library facilities in a public university to be dependent on ability to pay?

Would you also support pay-per-use for tutorials? I mean, that's another thing that's squeezed by cut-tastic Trinity.

How about crappy old computers for all, but shiny new ones for extra fees?

xeduCat

Angry Banana wrote:

Library workers are on €212.87 an hour I hear.

Uh...no. That would be an annual salary of €400k.

Time Magazine

No.

But extra opening hours that cannot be funded anyway. The funding, as is, does not exist. It's a means to an end. Furthermore, perhaps like the Health Centre, if you're a grant recipient I'm sure the SRO could organise a slip or something to make in-roads for less well-off.

The wage thing was a joke though .

Nietzschean

you should learn how poorly scarcasm tends to work on the interweb...

Right_Side

xeduCat wrote:

Finally, the idea of having some sort of library premium, where you pay extra for the privilege of extended opening, is pretty arrogant - but self-styled right-siders are hardly likely to be subtle in their flaunting of wealth!

I can assure you I'm not wealthy... my delay in writing back is due to my part time job. I merely value an increased study service very highly... i.e. I value it more than a few nights on the beer.

Seriously, there are students in TCD for whom any extra expenditure is a source of stress and bother. I know this mightn't be significant to some - I mean, it's just like paying extra for BT cause you wouldn't be caught dead anywhere else - but it is to others. Any extra expenditure is an extra stress but the market If you want to pay extra, find a college where that ethos dominates (you won't find it hard). It's a bit much appealing for the support of a students' union and then trying to have a wealth-dependent system. But oh yeah, the market will sort this out, right?

The market would sort it out, obviously. Those who value the extra study most will pay for it.

Trinity has an ethos of the pursuit of excellence, extra study time would aid this.

LiouVille wrote:

Well said. Most students I know, for starts I am one, survive on less then 50 quid a week in college, any charge for services would soon be a serious problem.

Well since it is an optional extra you wouldn’t have to pay for it.

Hermione* wrote:

I don't live in the type of house that's really condusive to study.

Me too.

&#231 wrote: »

what i meant by that was stop making personal attacks. consider it less advice and more a warning, k?

Thank you.

Angry Banana wrote:

Opening e.g. the Lecky 24 hours and closing e.g. the Hamilton is still a more preferable situation than neither open. The reverse is true, I'd still have the option of studying in the Hamilton (without economics books, just notes) if it was open 24 hours. I am, at least, as well off.

Secondly, charging a price is unfortunate. But the libraries don't open as is; a price would not deter those who cannot afford it. It just means that those who can afford it.... well, can afford it. Again, it's a better situation - by definition a "least worst" situation - than what currently exists. Unless the staff work for free (hahahahahahahahahaha*) it would have to be funded by students. That's not so bad. I'd rather individual payment (on the door) than everyone having an increased registration fee.


To everyone else: bloody Trinity bureaucracy!! Furthermore, I don't think Spain, who take rests in the middle of the working day, should be considered a suitable benchmark for our libraries. And last but not least, for no apparent reason, whatever tbh.

*Hahahahahahahahahaha. Bloody unions. God's sake, I work for €7.92 an hour and 120% wages on Sunday. Library workers are on €212.87 an hour I hear.

Ahhh, go team economist. Good old indifference curves. Here here with everything above.

Maybe if we did an Irish Ferries we could have increased opening hours. Replace security and librarians with foreign nationals on minimum wage. It’s not as if they have a particularly strong bargaining power. Damn unions.

xeduCat wrote:

Do you really, honestly, truly believe that it's a "better situation" for access to library facilities in a public university to be dependent on ability to pay?

Would you also support pay-per-use for tutorials? I mean, that's another thing that's squeezed by cut-tastic Trinity.

Extra library... more money... fine by me.

Extra tutorials... more money... fine by me.

You get what you pay for!

xeduCat

Right_Side wrote:

Extra library... more money... fine by me.

Extra tutorials... more money... fine by me.

You get what you pay for!

No, sir. This is a publicly-funded, non-profit, free-tuition (for EU full-time undergraduates) university. You do not get what you pay for. Griffith College, where you do get what you pay for, is here, did you get GCD and TCD confused?

Right_Side

Right_Side wrote:

The market would sort it out, obviously. Those who value the extra study most will pay for it.

Trinity has an ethos of the pursuit of excellence, extra study time would aid this.

Are you really that gullible? Do you really think that there would be a chance for extra paid services from a University with no strings attached which, over the past three years, has seen the following 3 things:

2003 - 2004: Cutbacks, on a large scale.
2004 - 2005: the taking of unspent balances from departments.
2005 - 20XX: ARAM!

If there is demand for additional services, initially it will be great as total funding = (existing funds) + (premium amount paid by students). However, the basic service would then lessen in usefullness and the premium service would then become something which you would have to subscribe to in order to avail of a decent service. Don't believe me? Then re-read above. Trinity has for years squeezed money out of every orifice.

Look at the practice of what has happened, and think, just for a second, what might happen several years down the road.

Andrew 83

I agree completely with Daithi that there should under no circumstances ever be brought in a system where you pay for library/study access. It's a completely absurd idea.

Boston

Angry Banana wrote:

Boston, two points:

Opening e.g. the Lecky 24 hours and closing e.g. the Hamilton is still a more preferable situation than neither open. The reverse is true, I'd still have the option of studying in the Hamilton (without economics books, just notes) if it was open 24 hours. I am, at least, as well off.

It would be a better situation for some students more so, then others. It would be fundamentally unfair.

Secondly, charging a price is unfortunate. But the libraries don't open as is; a price would not deter those who cannot afford it. It just means that those who can afford it.... well, can afford it. Again, it's a better situation - by definition a "least worst" situation - than what currently exists. Unless the staff work for free (hahahahahahahahahaha*) it would have to be funded by students. That's not so bad. I'd rather individual payment (on the door) than everyone having an increased registration fee.

I don't see how fees wouldn't but those that can't pay it at disadvantage. Theres the whole priciple of the college recieving thousands of euro from the goverment to educate, and then placing unfair burden on specific students. You can say what you want about an increased registration fee, but those that can't pay theirs, have it paid for them by the goverment.

Right_Side wrote:

Well since it is an optional extra you wouldn’t have to pay for it.

Life is an optional extra, college is an optional extra, getting a job is an optional extra. What the hell is your point. Simple fact is, people who want to go to the library, to study books largely bought with public money, In a collegealso largely funded by public money will be refused due to an inability to pay. Thats bull****. Wheres your concern for these people, or should they not be in the same college as you.

Myth really sums it up, you bring in a premium service, eventually you'll be paying for before 10am and after 6pm access to the library. I.E. everyone pays in the end, the serivce remains largely the same, and people are "thank full" for the few free hours they have inside.

Hermione*

Thirded. The whole point of free fees is to try to increase access to higher education (not that it's really worked imo, but anyway). As soon as a charge is brought in, it'll become accepted. A library is an essential resource for university students. I buy maybe at best 20% of the books I need in a year. Where else am I going to get access to the other books I need, but the library? University's expensive enough anyway. I value extra study time as much as anyone else (a house of five girls is NOT a great place to try to do work), and am in UCD til 10pm or later a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean I want to pay for the privilege. I spend far too much of my parent's money as it is, and I don't want to spend more just to have somewhere to study, which is the whole point of me being in college with their financial support in the first place.

It's a ridiculous suggestion imo. For me, college without the library would be impossible.

Actually, is it not possible to open the library/ libraries and not have desk service? A lot of the more unsociable opening hours in UCD Library don't have desk service. But you still have access to most of the books, computers, study space etc. The libraries open til 12 weeknights, but the issue desk closes at 9.45pm. Or do you already have this? If you do, sorry, I'm ot a Trinity student yet. :rolleyes:

Right_Side

xeduCat wrote:

No, sir. This is a publicly-funded, non-profit, free-tuition (for EU full-time undergraduates) university. You do not get what you pay for. Griffith College, where you do get what you pay for, is here, did you get GCD and TCD confused?

Trinity is not entirely publicly funded; there are many private donators.

You do get what you pay for in education. Trinity has the highest average points entry in Ireland, I think. The more grinds and study space you pay for the better chance you have of getting in. Likewise, the LSE (for example) is the best university in the world, bar Harvard, for social sciences so the more study space etc. I pay for now will increase my chance of getting in there, if that is my end goal.

Myth wrote:

Are you really that gullible? Do you really think that there would be a chance for extra paid services from a University with no strings attached which, over the past three years, has seen the following 3 things:

2003 - 2004: Cutbacks, on a large scale.
2004 - 2005: the taking of unspent balances from departments.
2005 - 20XX: ARAM!

If there is demand for additional services, initially it will be great as total funding = (existing funds) + (premium amount paid by students). However, the basic service would then lessen in usefullness and the premium service would then become something which you would have to subscribe to in order to avail of a decent service. Don't believe me? Then re-read above. Trinity has for years squeezed money out of every orifice.

Look at the practice of what has happened, and think, just for a second, what might happen several years down the road.

Well you haven’t given any of examples of something that was free and then the exact same service was provided at a fee after a premium service was available.

Why don’t we give it a try, it’s better than doing nothing at all. We can’t base our lives on what might happen. Example: you do a course in college you might hate it so you don’t do anything? You make your decisions analytically on all the info… every decision is a risk.

I would guess premium library access would be similar to gym membership. Loads of people would sign up, proportionally fewer would use but the money would still be collected and reduce the need for extra staff. Every year there will be a fresh batch of 4th years that will feel guilty not signing up and the cycle will continue.

Andrew 83 wrote:

It's a completely absurd idea.

In your opinion.

LiouVille wrote:

It would be a better situation for some students more so, then others. It would be fundamentally unfair.

Everyone is at least as well off, no one is worse off.

I don't see how fees wouldn't but those that can't pay it at disadvantage. Theres the whole priciple of the college recieving thousands of euro from the goverment to educate, and then placing unfair burden on specific students. You can say what you want about an increased registration fee, but those that can't pay theirs, have it paid for them by the goverment.

What specific students? No one would have to purchase the extra service.

Life is an optional extra, college is an optional extra, getting a job is an optional extra. What the hell is your point. Simple fact is, people who want to go to the library, to study books largely bought with public money, In a collegealso largely funded by public money will be refused due to an inability to pay. Thats bull****. Wheres your concern for these people, or should they not be in the same college as you.

They will be refused entry for something they never had access to anyway, there are as well off as they were before.

Hermione* wrote:

Where else am I going to get access to the other books I need, but the library? University's expensive enough anyway. I value extra study time as much as anyone else (a house of five girls is NOT a great place to try to do work), and am in UCD til 10pm or later a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean I want to pay for the privilege.

You would still have normal access to the library. You don’t value the extra time high enough to pay for it, than don’t.

It's a ridiculous suggestion imo. For me, college without the library would be impossible.

The library would still be there as normal… I’m just looking for extra study space.

Actually, is it not possible to open the library/ libraries and not have desk service? A lot of the more unsociable opening hours in UCD Library don't have desk service. But you still have access to most of the books, computers, study space etc. The libraries open til 12 weeknights, but the issue desk closes at 9.45pm. Or do you already have this? If you do, sorry, I'm ot a Trinity student yet. :rolleyes:

No Trinity does not do this, when the library is open so is the service desk… this is one of my fundamental points.

Boston

The specific students would be the ones that can't pay obviously. Your suggestion of paying for the libary would be a situation where something was once free, and now has a fee attacted.

You don’t value the extra time high enough to pay for it, than don’t.

Why should people be in a situation of buying lunch vs going to the library that day.

They will be refused entry for something they never had access to anyway, there are as well off as they were before.

but you're better off. How is that fair, it isn't. Especailly considering their registration fees put the books you'll be using on the shelfs. You can't have it both ways, something both publically and privately funded. You want to go down the road of those that can pay get access does that can't don't, fine. Give all those people that pay fees and never use the library,the sports hall, and the computer rooms back their money, and charge people like you a hell of allot more.

Either you have a system where everyone pays the same regardless of how much they use a service or you have a pay as you go system. You bring that in, then it's no longer a public university.

No Trinity does not do this, when the library is open so is the service desk… this is one of my fundamental points.

Your wrong, Trinity does do this. The libraries open an hour before the counter opens, something you'd know if you'd ever been in the library when it opened.

You can bull**** all you want, but your suggest won't benifit the majority but rather put them at a disadvantage , would be un fair, and would only be the tine ege of a wedge.

Right_Side

LiouVille wrote:

The specific students would be the ones that can't pay obviously. Your suggestion of paying for the libary would be a situation where something was once free, and now has a fee attacted.

I’m suggesting that a section of the library (or somewhere!) be open for study only outside the normal hours. This is currently not available... therefore it was never "once free".

Why should people be in a situation of buying lunch vs going to the library that day.

Library is open as normal. How many times do I have to say it?

but you're better off. How is that fair, it isn't.

And the person who has the perfect study environment at home is better off than me. How fair is that?

Especailly considering their registration fees put the books you'll be using on the shelfs.

As I said before, I don't care what books (if any) are on the shelves it's for study only.

Either you have a system where everyone pays the same regardless of how much they use a service or you have a pay as you go system. You bring that in, then it's no longer a public university.

We do this for photocopying, printing, food etc. Does that mean we are not a public university.

Your wrong, Trinity does do this. The libraries open an hour before the counter opens, something you'd know if you'd ever been in the library when it opened.

Seen as though when studying for Schols I was in the library at 9am and leaving at 9.45pm everyday I would know (admittedly only about the BLU complex). The counter opens at 9am (bar the counter reserve which opens at 9.30am) and closes at 9.45pm with library.

You can bull**** all you want,

Is it "bull****", just because you don't agree with it?

but your suggest won't benifit the majority but rather put them at a disadvantage , would be un fair, and would only be the tine ege of a wedge.

Difficult to make sense of this but I'll try.

I'm at a disadvantage to those who have good study places at home. This suggestion will make no-one worse off than before.

Hermione*

Right_Side wrote:

You would still have normal access to the library. You don’t value the extra time high enough to pay for it, than don’t.

It's not so much that I don't value it enough to pay for it, more that I probably couldn't afford to.

Right_Side wrote:

The library would still be there as normal… I’m just looking for extra study space.

Tbh, while I can't answer for Trinity, I can for UCD, NUIG and UCC: none of those libraries have enough space at this time of the year for students. The only way to guarantee a space is to be in college before 10am. It works for me. Sure, the library's still packed and difficult to work in, but you at least have somewhere to do work.

Right_Side wrote:

No Trinity does not do this, when the library is open so is the service desk… this is one of my fundamental points.

I had a feeling they did. It appears that they do, according to other posts. And if they didn't, it's probably something they'd want to consider. IIRC, NUIG's library would open on Sundays prior to exams but the deal was there was no desk service - the college couldn't afford to provide desk service as well as open the library. Most of the students were just grateful to have somewhere to study.

Right_Side

Hermione* wrote:

It's not so much that I don't value it enough to pay for it, more that I probably couldn't afford to.

Like yourself I would struggle to afford it. I have a finite budget. I would just be willing to sacrafice a couple of nights out to pay for it.

Tbh, while I can't answer for Trinity, I can for UCD, NUIG and UCC: none of those libraries have enough space at this time of the year for students. The only way to guarantee a space is to be in college before 10am. It works for me. Sure, the library's still packed and difficult to work in, but you at least have somewhere to do work.

Come exam time Trinity is similar although if you hang around for a a while you will get a space. I hear the Hamiliton is worse.

I had a feeling they did. It appears that they do, according to other posts. And if they didn't, it's probably something they'd want to consider. IIRC, NUIG's library would open on Sundays prior to exams but the deal was there was no desk service - the college couldn't afford to provide desk service as well as open the library. Most of the students were just grateful to have somewhere to study.

Kind of confused here. Are you saying you had a feeling the desk did open when the library opens or what?

Thirdfox

Right_Side: I would agree with a lot of what you said but just to point out I don't think Trinity operates the food/printing/photocopying facilities.

In answer to Liouville's (quite valid) point about refunding for those who don't use services I think there is a minimum standard required for students studying in the college.

For those with the means and want it, they should be given the opportunity to spend their money (if they so wish, on additional facilities add-ons as it were.)

This would be assuming that the minimum standards don't drop but admittedly there is a real danger of this happening if we do develop a "two-tier" system.

Right_Side

Thirdfox wrote:

Right_Side: I would agree with a lot of what you said but just to point out I don't think Trinity operates the food/printing/photocopying facilities.

Point taken. But if the library (or whoever) is unable to provide extra study time maybe Trinity should rent out the space to a private company and let them sell it students. It's just lying empty at the moment.

Hermione*

Right_Side wrote:

Like yourself I would struggle to afford it. I have a finite budget. I would just be willing to sacrafice a couple of nights out to pay for it.

I don't go out enough to save money from my drinking budget to pay for a library space.

Right_Side wrote:

Kind of confused here. Are you saying you had a feeling the desk did open when the library opens or what?

Yes, from what I'd gathered from friends who did their masters in TCD, the impression they'd given me was that desk service wasn't always available when the library was open. As in UCD, desk service was confined to when the library was busiest. Then again, most of them were engaged in historical research so they'd have been using the library mostly for somewhere to work, not for the materials available in it. Having said that, I'd assumed that most university libraries would be open for longer than their desk service - it seems only sensible.

Right_Side

Hermione* wrote:

Yes, from what I'd gathered from friends who did their masters in TCD, the impression they'd given me was that desk service wasn't always available when the library was open. As in UCD, desk service was confined to when the library was busiest. Then again, most of them were engaged in historical research so they'd have been using the library mostly for somewhere to work, not for the materials available in it. Having said that, I'd assumed that most university libraries would be open for longer than their desk service - it seems only sensible.

I'm only speaking about the BLU complex (the biggest) so they could be right. But the BLU is: library open, desk open.

Thirdfox

Hmm, a private company does seem like somewhat of a good idea, this way "normal" library services will be guaranteed not to change. 2 birds with 1 stone?

But I do find it surprising that there isn't one place to study 24 hours in Trinity... us students mustn't like the whole academic side of Trinity that much!

Thirdfox

Thirdfox wrote:

But I do find it surprising that there isn't one place to study 24 hours in Trinity... us students mustn't like the whole academic side of Trinity that much!

There are many!! In fact, house 39 used to be 24 hours before the Law School was there.

Right_Side

Myth wrote:

There are many!!

Enlighten us.

cuckoo

Thirdfox wrote:

Hmm, a private company does seem like somewhat of a good idea, this way "normal" library services will be guaranteed not to change. 2 birds with 1 stone?

There's a lot of lecturers who aren't teaching in the evenings, maybe Trinity could farm them out to a private company?

I really dislike the tone of this thread - we can all agree that the library's opening hours shorter than we'd like, and that at this time of year there aren't enough books. But, the solution of opening the library earlier and allowing some for a fee to get first choice of the seats (and books), and then a few hours study time while the rest of the students who supposedly don't value their education enough recover from their hangovers, and then wander in at Pleb Opening Time to get whatever seats and books are left over from the Premium Users - that solution sucks.

Well, perhaps you should investigate the actual 24 hour buildings first? Since there are several. I'm not going to mention some of the services offered by departments since they are supposed to be for those students only.

However, the Hamilton is 24 hours. House 6 is 24 hours. The '24 hour reading room'. Laser huts.

Hamilton is my own personal favourite for studying late in the day. If anyone takes my spot next year, they're getting such a stabbing.

Right_Side

Myth wrote:

Well, perhaps you should investigate the actual 24 hour buildings first? Since there are several. I'm not going to mention some of the services offered by departments since they are supposed to be for those students only.

Sounds like they are big secret. I rather just have an open system.

However, the Hamilton is 24 hours. House 6 is 24 hours. The '24 hour reading room'. Laser huts.

Where in the Hamilton?

House 6... where would you study there?

Where is the 24 hour reading room?

Laser huts... computer room.

Right_Side

cuckoo wrote:

There's a lot of lecturers who aren't teaching in the evenings, maybe Trinity could farm them out to a private company?

I think there is a big difference between a building and a person.

that solution sucks.

For you.

Right_Side

Right_Side wrote:

Sounds like they are big secret. I rather just have an open system.

Well that's all good, but if one department/school wishes to allow their students 24 hours access, that doesn't mean everyone should be invited.

Right_Side

Thirdfox wrote:

Hmm, a private company does seem like somewhat of a good idea, this way "normal" library services will be guaranteed not to change. 2 birds with 1 stone?

It's not a bad idea. Could make it in the contract that normal service couldn't be touched with the carrot of extra cash for the "after-hours service".

Right_Side

Myth wrote:

Well that's all good, but if one department/school wishes to allow their students 24 hours access, that doesn't mean everyone should be invited.

You only responded to one of my questions, I asked you about the other four places mentioned.

This is exactly why we need a transparent 24 hour access to study not just for those in the "know".

Right_Side

Right_Side wrote:

House 6... where would you study there?

Where is the 24 hour reading room?.

I wouldn't advise studying in House 6, since there is a lack of adequate facilities. However, it is 24 hours, and I've studied in here before.

cuckoo

Right_Side wrote:

You only responded to one of my questions, I asked you about the other four places mentioned.

This is exactly why we need a transparent 24 hour access to study not just for those in the "know".

Maybe if you pay him extra, for premium service, he'll tell you.

Right_Side

Right_Side wrote:

You only responded to one of my questions, I asked you about the other four places mentioned.

This is exactly why we need a transparent 24 hour access to study not just for those in the "know".

Well no, it is for those people who are in the relevant departments/schools. And I was making up a map.

cuckoo

cuckoo wrote:

Maybe if you pay him extra, for premium service, he'll tell you.

I think I'll change my vote for best put down.

Nietzschean

bug your dept to provide something, some depts have rooms where they let students study, but its for students of that dept only so you hardly expect details from them..

Right_Side

Myth wrote:

I wouldn't advise studying in House 6, since there is a lack of adequate facilities. However, it is 24 hours, and I've studied in here before.

Ok so out of the four options you gave.

House 6 - by your own admission not up to scratch.
Laser Huts - Computer room.
24 reading room -

europerson wrote:

For Ussher (24 Hour Reading Room):
Open 24 hours
Swipe-card access

Against Ussher (24 Hour Reading Room):
Confusion as to whether it's a computer room or library (some people chat away like in a computer room, while others become really annoyed)
Very small
Very dark

Doesn't sound up to scratch

Hamiliton - No response from you yet?

Therefore, do not think your solutions are totally inadequate?

Right_Side

Nietzschean wrote:

bug your dept to provide something, some depts have rooms where they let students study, but its for students of that dept only so you hardly expect details from them..

Then going by some of the logic provided here (LiouVille) than, I'm totally disadvantaged... rant, rant, rant.

Right_Side

Right_Side wrote:

Ok so out of the four options you gave.

House 6 - by your own admission not up to scratch.
Laser Huts - Computer room.
24 reading room -

Doesn't sound up to scratch

Hamiliton - No response from you yet?

Therefore, do not think your solutions are totally inadequate?

Not at all actually, but I am enjoying this.

Right_Side

Myth wrote:

Not at all actually, but I am enjoying this.

So as Education Officer of TCDSU you think the 24 hour study space available to students is adequate? When you haven't provided me with details of one such service.

cuckoo

Right_Side wrote:

So as Education Officer of TCDSU you think the 24 hour study space available to students is adequate? When you haven't provided me with details of one such service.

This is a Saturday, if you expect him to work outside of normal business hours you'll have to pay extra. Be generous and he'll give you a key to private study areas.

Right_Side

cuckoo wrote:

This is a Saturday, if you expect him to work outside of normal business hours you'll have to pay extra. Be generous and he'll give you a key to private study areas.

Don't wear out your punchline now.

Right_Side

Right_Side wrote:

So as Education Officer of TCDSU you think the 24 hour study space available to students is adequate? When you haven't provided me with details of one such service.

Sorry, as Myth of Boards.ie I'm happy with my responses. I happen to browse here, and happen to be Education Officer of TCDSU as well. I'm not here to represent students, and I usually deal with enquiries here because, well, I like to. The best way to communicate me (as Education Officer) is by e-mailing me, at education@tcdsu.org, or calling me at 01-6468439. However, I generally deal with queries (including PMs) on boards since I enjoy coming here.

Plus I've already given you information as to where the locations are. I remarked how I'm enjoying this conversation since you seem to have forgotten my previous post about how I spent some time this year trying to obtain additional 24 hour study rooms, which I find funny given your later conclusions.

My suggestion is that you have a look at the map attached below detailing where the 24 hour reading room is, and if you wish to study late, drop down there or to the Hamilton and have a look around there, since there are plenty of locations, seats, desks scattered around the building. So, to repeat, that's the 24 hour reading room (see below attachment) and the Hamilton Building.

That'll be €40.

Love,

Dónal

Nietzschean

Right Side your just plain annoying, thread locked.