Who should Ireland support in the World Cup?

nlgbbbblth

blu_sonic wrote:

nlgbbbblth you don't seem like a football fan (ive never seen you post in soccer)

I've only posted around a dozen times in soccer. Not much I know.
Used go to a lot of St Pat's games when I first moved to Dublin, not much now. As for Man City, about 8 home games since 1977. I'm not a fanatic but I do like the game.

blu_sonic

i didn't mean anything bad by it, just the argument with that other guy was going in circles and ultimatly going nowhere.

blu_sonic

joebhoy wrote:

Time for guys with the white jackets!

wait till Ireland win the World Cup 2006 you'll all be sorry you supported england. C'mon Duffer C'mon lads




ps. you misquoted me i never said the "english/scottish thing" but on that point there would be some english who support scotland and vica versa (a good scot friend of mine is a Ger and he will be wanting England to do well)

nlgbbbblth

blu_sonic wrote:

wait till Ireland win the World Cup 2006 you'll all be sorry you supported england. C'mon Duffer C'mon lads

Ireland should just turn up at the World Cup wherever Switzerland are playing and insist on taking their place on the pitch.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wertz wrote:

celtic supporter, etc.

I'm NOT supporting England in the world cup, nor in any other sporting endeavour and I don't see why anyone else in the country (who wasn't English) would, but it is perfectly witnin their rights to do so...once again, an opinion Right to me, wrong to you. Fin.

Ever been to a Celtic match when they play in Dublin...? Now THAT'S hate. And I refuse to accept that Celtic fans follow Celtic due to an avid interesting in the finer points of Socttish football.

blu_sonic

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Ever been to a Celtic match when they play in Dublin...? Now THAT'S hate. And I refuse to accept that Celtic fans follow Celtic due to an avid interesting in the finer points of Socttish football.

see when they played pats? the celtic fans were calling the pats fans "huns" "orange basters" "brits" etc. ah th mind boggles

eirebhoy

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

And I refuse to accept that Celtic fans follow Celtic due to an avid interesting in the finer points of Socttish football.

Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

singingstranger

Reminds me of watching United v Rangers in the Champions League back in my boarding school. Some of the more bigoted Celtic-fan types were watching with me, and I remember thinking of the utter lunacy of the whole divide when van Nistelrooy scored and they all went "Yes! Come on United!" and then referring, without taking breath, to Rangers as "F**king English b**tards!". I was dismissed immediately when I pointed out that the English team had just scored against the Scottish (arguably of celtic* origin) team.


* Awkward that the word 'Celtic' would have other connotations in this thread.

joebhoy1916

the Scottish (arguably of celtic* origin) team.

?????????

ps. you misquoted me i never said the "english/scottish thing" but on that point there would be some english who support scotland and vica versa (a good scot friend of mine is a Ger and he will be wanting England to do well)

Well I think that just says everything. Rangers supporters
will support England!

I wonder would he support Ireland?

singingstranger

joebhoy1916 wrote:

the Scottish (arguably of celtic* origin) team.

?????????

By 'Celtic' I mean of the celtic heritage and race. Scotland is a celtic country. It just doesn't carry nearly as well in a thread where 'Celtic' will obviously be taken to the mean the football club and not the race native to Ireland/Scotland/Wales/Brittany.

My point was that my classmate was levelling the accusation of "English b**tards" at Rangers and was all for their defeat... the irony being that Rangers are in fact Scottish (and Scotland is a celtic country, 'celtic' meaning the race in this case) and were being beaten by a team from - of all places - England. Yet United were his preferred team over the "English" team.

joebhoy1916

My point was that my classmate was levelling the accusation of "English b**tards" at Rangers and was all for their defeat... the irony being that Rangers are in fact Scottish (and Scotland is a celtic country, 'celtic' meaning the race in this case) and were being beaten by a team from - of all places - England. Yet United were his preferred team over the "English" team.

LMFBO

So they should cheer for Rangers cause there Scottish :eek:

county

singingstranger wrote:

By 'Celtic' I mean of the celtic heritage and race. Scotland is a celtic country. It just doesn't carry nearly as well in a thread where 'Celtic' will obviously be taken to the mean the football club and not the race native to Ireland/Scotland/Wales/Brittany.

My point was that my classmate was levelling the accusation of "English b**tards" at Rangers and was all for their defeat... the irony being that Rangers are in fact Scottish (and Scotland is a celtic country, 'celtic' meaning the race in this case) and were being beaten by a team from - of all places - England. Yet United were his preferred team over the "English" team.

sorry too drunk to understand your waffle,why not support england,it might be very therapeutic:D

Hagar

blu_sonic wrote:

ha ha so what your saying is its ok to support chelsea cuz they aren't really english?? hmmmm doctor im cured

Err no. The point is that in supporting a team from the Premiership you are not necessarily supporting English footballers just the sport of football played at a very high level by players of all nationalities. Therefore there is no hypocrisy in supporting a team based in England but having no desire to support the England team.

Pherekydes

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

...and every time I watch sky news sports, I get sports.

And you were expecting? Ballet, perhaps?

Pepe LeFrits

Kevin Irving wrote:

The problem that I have with the Brits (as regards football) is that the british media STILL go on about 1966! They also think they're going to win the World Cup and Euro Cup every 2 years.

That's a shocker. I can't imagine anyone making regular references to their greatest ever sporting achievement whenever they get the opportunity to repeat it.

I'll probably be following England and the Ivory Coast with most interest. England, well because I always have, I now live in England and I have a lot of time for most of their players - Terry, Gerrard, Owen and Walcott in particular. Ivory Coast mainly because of Kolo Toure, but also I suppose because of Eboue, their great kit, their flag, they are real under-dogs, no African team has ever won the WC and to top it off, their country is in bits at the moment. A good WC wouldn't do them any harm at all. I might even be pleased if that Medusa-lookalike big-girls-blouse Delicate Didier managed to score the winning goal. Might.

The other teams I'll probably want to see to do well are France because of Henry and Paddy Vieira, Holland for Van Persie and Van Basten, and Spain, mainly because of Reyes and Fabregas. I can't say for definate because I never really know until the games kick-off who I want to do well. At the last tournament I mostly wanted Sweden and Denmark to go far. Sweden had Ljungberg and Larsson, but why Denmark I don't know...

Töpher

Trinidad & Tobago - Avery John for World Cup glory!
Togo - Never heard of them, complete underdogs, want to see them to well, a la Senegal!

I'll be happy enough to see England do well, having an interest - allbeit fleeting - in English football I'd be embarassed to not want them to do well.

Might slap a few bets down to liven it up a bit and gain some allegiance!

singingstranger

county wrote:

sorry too drunk to understand your waffle,why not support england,it might be very therapeutic:D

Well, regardless of whether you want to read it, I'll be up for England anyway, because I personally think it's petty to be against them, I support their league and am a fan of many of their players.

super_furry

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Thats a stupid question Eircom league is very small you
hardly ever see people wearing jersey's of the Eircom league
which I do believe is a pity!

So because you don't see people wear jerseys, you support a British team in Celtic?

transylman

The last two tournaments I've tried to be mature and support England. This usually only lasts to the point where England supporters boo the national anthem of their first opposing team. Love their footballers, can't stand some of their supporters.

Roen

Brazil cos of the ex girlfriend. We still follow each others teams.

joebhoy1916

super_furry wrote:

So because you don't see people wear jerseys, you support a British team in Celtic?

Haha funny. Was simply saying the eircom league gets nowhere
near the support as the like's of United, Liverpool or Celtic.

I support Celtic cause there a good team and the connection.

blu_sonic

Indeed it doesn't mostly because people disregard it immidiatly unfortuntly, most of the folks who hate/dislike/disregard the EL have never been to nor seen an EL team in action (barre maybe when their brittish team comes over to pla them in a pre-season friendly)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eirebhoy wrote:

Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

oh, ok then... so what players do you think will be eky to St Mirren's fight to stay in the SPL?

eirebhoy

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

oh, ok then... so what players do you think will be eky to St Mirren's fight to stay in the SPL?

I have to pass a test now to show I know Scottish football? Cop yourself on ffs.

blu_sonic

that fat lad that plays behind the strikers McGonagle yeah thats the one,

"I'm mirren till i die
I'm mirren till I die
Yes I am
I know I am
I'm Mirren till i die"

"oh when the saints
go marching in
oh when the saints
go marching in
I wanna be in that number
oh when the saints go marching in"

all 15 of us sing that^

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eirebhoy wrote:

I have to pass a test now to show I know Scottish football? Cop yourself on ffs.

Just not tarring you with the same brush and asking an honest question....

gaf1983

I'll be travelling over to support Togo, along with the rest of the Irish Branch of the Togo Supporters' Club.

mang87

i'll be supporting my local pub

nlgbbbblth

Hagar wrote:

Err no. The point is that in supporting a team from the Premiership you are not necessarily supporting English footballers just the sport of football played at a very high level by players of all nationalities. Therefore there is no hypocrisy in supporting a team based in England but having no desire to support the England team.

Ah, the old 'they're all foreigners anyway' attitude.

Primarily used by people who just don't want to admit to being a hypocrite.

Irish people have supported English teams for many many years. For a lot of that time the nationality mix of the players was limited (English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, a few token foreigners) and that never stopped them cheering ABE when it came to international games.

It's not as if Irish people only started supporting English clubs when some of them became made up of primarily non-English players.

A Dub in Glasgo

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Just not tarring you with the same brush and asking an honest question....

Some honest question!! sounds more like the 'You cannot possibly support a football team unless you know who played reserve for them in the 1972 season' type of attitude

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Some honest question!! sounds more like the 'You cannot possibly support a football team unless you know who played reserve for them in the 1972 season' type of attitude

Fair question... Not being a Celtic supporter and having no interest in Scottish football, I quiet enjoyed Hearts unpredictable break-up of the Glasgow domination and would like to know what a "genuine" scottish football fan (or so he says, seeing as he's not supporting Celtic out of any base hate-orientated historical/religious motivations) what he thinks...

After all, as has been pointed out in this thread, we are supposed to be talking about football, here.

Hagar

nlgbbbblth wrote:

Ah, the old 'they're all foreigners anyway' attitude.

Primarily used by people who just don't want to admit to being a hypocrite.

That's not what I said at all. The point is with so many nations represented in the premiership you could follow it purely to enjoy football without the encumbrance of being tied to a single nation. How many Arsenal fans cheering for Thierry Henry tonight will be loathe to see him in a French shirt in a few weeks yet knowing that give him wholehearted support tonight? Is that bigoted or biased or anti-French or anti-anybody? Not at all.

If you are going to call me a hypocrite be man enough to say it out straight.

/edit And I'll be man enough to report you for personal abuse

nlgbbbblth

Hagar wrote:

If you are going to call me a hypocrite be man enough to say it out straight.

/edit And I'll be man enough to report you for personal abuse

Being of the opinion that you are a hypocrite is just that, an opinion.

It is worthwhile pointing out that boards.ie has a reputation of being excessively strict and constrained amongst the wider bulletin board community. This is largely due to it's heavy-handed intolerance of any form of aggressive debate - including what you refer to as 'personal abuse'.

In reality referring to such comments as such is somewhat of an exaggerated and overblown reaction and more at home in the litigious United States of America.

eirebhoy

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Just not tarring you with the same brush and asking an honest question....

Asking a sarcastic question more like. I've seen all bar 1 or 2 Celtic matches this season and most Rangers matches. That's all you get to see with Setanta (and channel 67). That all changes next season when there is a deal to show a load more non-Old Firm matches because the league is attracting a lot more interest with Hearts and Hibs improving so much.

iFight

singingstranger wrote:

I'll be up for England anyway, because I personally think it's petty to be against them, I support their league and am a fan of many of their players.

SAme here...i like England although im not really that into football

eirebhoy

If anyone wanted to see how bad the English media are look no further than the Champions league final. Despite the ref almost handing the match to Arsenal on a plate they are still complaining about him.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eirebhoy wrote:

If anyone wanted to see how bad the English media are look no further than the Champions league final. Despite the ref almost handing the match to Arsenal on a plate they are still complaining about him.

Only person I heard complaining was Henry. Can I ask why you chose to watch it on a British channel; and not network 2?

eirebhoy

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Only person I heard complaining was Henry. Can I ask why you chose to watch it on a British channel; and not network 2?

I watched it on RTE. You do not have to watch Sky Sports to know what they were like tonight. As I said, it's unavoidable.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eirebhoy wrote:

I watched it on RTE. You do not have to watch Sky Sports to know what they were like tonight. As I said, it's unavoidable.

Hmm... I seem to have managed it without trying. I assume in your post before last, when you say

Despite the ref almost handing the match to Arsenal on a plate they are still complaining about him.

you are referring to the media and not Arsenal? How did you observe this accidently?

Here's how it's done: DON'T watch Sky news. DON'T read tabloids. DON'T watch matches that are covered by networks in Britain and Ireland on the British network. I do, and I If you already do this, how do you say it's "unavoidable"? Do you live in Britain?

Or is it simply unavoidable because you WANT it to be unavoidable...? Are you seeing what you want to see because that's waht you ant to see and not what is there at all...?

robinph

eirebhoy wrote:

I watched it on RTE. You do not have to watch Sky Sports to know what they were like tonight. As I said, it's unavoidable.

If you watched it on RTE why are you complaining about the British media which you claim to have not seen?

blu_sonic

don't need to have wtched the game to read about the uproar, prob saw it here on boards in the soccer forum, I didn't see the game i was working

eirebhoy

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Or is it simply unavoidable because you WANT it to be unavoidable...? Are you seeing what you want to see because that's waht you ant to see and not what is there at all...?

My biggest hobby in life is football, I spend at least a couple of hours reading about it. Of course I don't want to avoid it.

robinph wrote:

If you watched it on RTE why are you complaining about the British media which you claim to have not seen?

I haven't complained. I'm talking about the 2 lads on this thread who think the English media are no worse than anyone else, it's simply not true.

dimerocks

I was going ith the Ivory Coast because of the flag thing but then my hatred for Didier Drogba has brought that into question. Not sure at the moment I am leaning to Sweden or else Poland.

robinph

eirebhoy wrote:

I haven't complained. I'm talking about the 2 lads on this thread who think the English media are no worse than anyone else, it's simply not true.

Well unless your also watching/ reading similar amounts of the French, Italian, Spanish media etc, then I don't think that your survey of the attidues of each country to their own national teams hopes in an upcoming tournament is particuarly conclusive.

I will concede the point that the British media will talk more about the English team than the Welsh, Scotish or NI teams, but none of them qualified this time round. If any of them had though then they would probably not get as much coverage as the English team but in that case the likes of the BBC would be unique in that they have multiple national teams to cover in the same event so one team will get more coverage than another depending on how far they progress.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eirebhoy wrote:

My biggest hobby in life is football, I spend at least a couple of hours reading about it. Of course I don't want to avoid it.


I haven't complained. I'm talking about the 2 lads on this thread who think the English media are no worse than anyone else, it's simply not true.

I see the problem... you really do read/see what you want to.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU READING/WATCHING BRITISH MEDIA, NOT FOOTBALL.

eirebhoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnwLsWjsJlo

Any Irish in there?

Lunar Junkie

The guy who says 'Des Walker' a minute and a half in sounds like he's from Dublin (sorry, I'm just being pedantic ) Funny video, anyway.