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Afghan hunger strike in St Patricks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭blu_sonic


    but very extream no water (usually hunger strikers will drink)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    they shoulda took water... that way it'll be dragged on for longer, and it'll be more dramatic, and they'll probably get more backing behind them. also, they could stay in the country for longer!


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    ferdi wrote:
    if we like it or not, if these lads start dying, minister McBowel will have to back down.

    why should he and i hope he doesn't either. if they want to seek asylum here they should respect and abide by are laws. you just can't go into a country and say "if i don't get what i want i will kill myself" , that's just plain stupid. what do you think would happen if i walked into a bank and said to the manager "if you don't give me a million i will kill myself" , go on ahead he will say.

    god help us if they are allowed to stay, not only will we have every tom, dick and harry pulling off the same stunt looking for asylum here. what are these afghan people going to be like in our society if they are indeed given asylum, they don't get something they want or treated in a way they believe to be unfair, what will it be law into their own hands or another hunger strike.

    you know the old saying lead by example, well these afghan hunger strikers are certain leading a good example :rolleyes:

    like i said before send them back, we can do without people that want to bully and threaten others to get what they want.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4986832.stm

    So they started their fast before they entred the cathedral apparently so we dont actually know how long they have gone without food or water:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Heinrich


    It looks like Bertie is taking the hard line! I just hope the desecrators won't end up for days on trolleys in our disastrous A&Es!

    This self induced suffering is mere blackmail and we should ask ourselves what would happen if these people get their way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Heinrich wrote:
    It looks like Bertie is taking the hard line! I just hope the desecrators won't end up for days on trolleys in our disastrous A&Es!

    This self induced suffering is mere blackmail and we should ask ourselves what would happen if these people get their way.

    Someone mentioned on the radio this morning that apparently there are a number of churches in Belgium where this is happening now with Afghan refugees, all across the country. Anyone any ideas on the truth in that?Thats a scary precedent if its true, but all I can find is a similar issue in Ixelles in 2003.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    #Elites wrote:
    They where on the Radio last night on FM104, and they have started taking water, so it can go on longer.

    What a pity.


    With any hope the Government won't give in to them, if they die so be it but they can't be given what they want. They've no right to be here so if they die they die, if they don't they should be on the next plane home. These threatening tactics of theirs are completely unacceptable.

    If they're let die / quit with this farce, hopefully it'd send a message to the rest of their kind that this sh1t isn't tolerated. If they're given what they want, we're in for a fun future full of this crap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Sgt. Politeness


    One of these saps had a quote int he paper last night saying "We have no future in Afghanistan, if we cant have a future in Ireland whats is the point in living?". Ehhhh last time i checked, f*ckmunch, there were several hundred OTHER COUNTRIES you could try living in. You'd swear we were the only bloody country in the world that took in asylum seekers. These chancers just know theyre in for an easy ride if they get in here, thats all.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    One of these saps had a quote int he paper last night saying "We have no future in Afghanistan, if we cant have a future in Ireland whats is the point in living?". Ehhhh last time i checked, f*ckmunch, there were several hundred OTHER COUNTRIES you could try living in. You'd swear we were the only bloody country in the world that took in asylum seekers. These chancers just know theyre in for an easy ride if they get in here, thats all.


    Too right.AND we're one of the only countries where do-gooders turn out in support of criminals and call evrybody else racists for not supporting them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    School Students against Deportations Demo!



    Let them Stay!

    Six of the hunger strikers are school students. We need to do all we can to show solidarity with them.

    School Students protest - 2:30pm.

    St. Patricks Cathedral.

    All out


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    Degsy wrote:
    Too right.AND we're one of the only countries where do-gooders turn out in support of criminals and call evrybody else racists for not supporting them!

    Ignorance for the simple reason that you are wrong and clearly not educated on world affairs other than sky news or whatever other narrow minded news you watch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    I am getting pretty sick of you calling people ignorant and uneducated! Oh and you have thrown in scum too.

    If you cant stress your opinion without calling names then you Sir are ignorant and uneducated. Quit the name calling as it is only making you look like an angry teen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    Kiera wrote:
    I am getting pretty sick of you calling people ignorant and uneducated! Oh and you have thrown in scum too.

    If you cant stress your opinion without calling names then you Sir are ignorant and uneducated. Quit the name calling as it is only making you look like an angry teen.

    I'm calling him ignorant because he is. 'We are one of the only countries to..', that is pure ignorance to think that.

    Name calling would be prick, fucker, etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Ag marbh, I may be wrong, but have you given a good reason why the goverment should cave for these people? Why did they come to Ireland and not the nearest safe country to Afghanistan? Why have they not gone through the asylum process (Bertie actually said that -- none of them have)? Why have they such disrespect for our laws that they will jeopardise the security of the country?

    But the important question: if McDowell lets them stay, do you think that's the end of it?

    No, their family will be on the next plane over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    DaveMcG wrote:
    Ag marbh, I may be wrong, but have you given a good reason why the goverment should cave for these people? Why did they come to Ireland and not the nearest safe country to Afghanistan? Why have they not gone through the asylum process (Bertie actually said that -- none of them have)? Why have they such disrespect for our laws that they will jeopardise the security of the country?

    But the important question: if McDowell lets them stay, do you think that's the end of it?

    No, their family will be on the next plane over.

    I don't care about the government, I care about these people and whats best for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Grand, just wanted to know what we're dealing with here.

    Obviously living in Ireland is what's best for them, rather than Iran, Bulgaria, Turkey, Greece, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, or Britain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    DaveMcG wrote:
    Grand, just wanted to know what we're dealing with here.
    Ignorance?

    Ag Marbh : You're a hypocrite to call anyone ignorant or uneducated. Though, you are a school child so I can't say I'm surprised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    Ag marbh wrote:
    I don't care about the government, I care about these people and whats best for them.

    Fair enough Ag marbh and I admire your humane stance on the subject.

    For me the situation is this. They are illegal here, they have not gone through the correct system and sumggled themselves into this country. Now if the justice department were to give in to these people and grant them assylum then every illegal non national in the country would do the same thing and it would be open season on the assylum. Its loose and open enough as it is without this happening.

    The gov need to stand firm and not give in here. What did it for me was the radio interview one of them gave on Monday. When asked how he got here he said they traveled by plane to various countries in europe then to England where they drove in a truck to get the boat over to Ireland. Now why would you go through all that to get here? Because we are an easy target. Why not attempt Austria, Holland or England where they came through?

    When asked by the reporter about the finances needed for a trip like that he back tracked and talked his way out of the interview. In other words, it cost a lot but I had the money and ain't short of money either. It kind of like the Romanians who beg on the street yet have more gold in their teeth than my car is worth!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭QualderWahl


    Ag marbh wrote:
    I don't care about the government, I care about these people and whats best for them.

    Perhaps you do but if you removed the blinkers for a moment, you would note that the overwhelming majority of people care more for our govenment and the laws of the land than they do for a group of renegade asylum seekers.

    The latest opinion poll indicates that 79% of the population believe that they should be removed from the church and deported. The "views" that you are espousing are in the absolute minority and it is heartening that the Irish people are finally voicing their opinion on immigration and will no longer be subjugated by name calling.

    Ironically, this ridiculous protest will damage the credibility of ca 10% of asylum applicants who are deemed to have a valid case to remain in Ireland. If you had one iota of common sense, these are the people to whom you should direct your concern.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    I understand what the majority think but i'm just thinking for myself and it's how I feel. Nothing can make me see differently


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Sgt. Politeness


    Ag marbh wrote:
    Ignorance for the simple reason that you are wrong and clearly not educated on world affairs other than sky news or whatever other narrow minded news you watch.
    Says the school student.

    'school students against racism!!' You gonna hold hands and sing kum-by-yah by any chance? Wait til you leave school and have to live in the real world, you wont be such a hippy after that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Heinrich


    Ag marbh wrote:
    I'm calling him ignorant because he is. 'We are one of the only countries to..', that is pure ignorance to think that.

    Name calling would be prick, fucker, etc

    You are displaying a high degree of childishness with your constant ill thought out, nonsensical posts!

    These people have no business in using a protestant Cathedral for their protest. The protest, in the first place is not a just one. Our Taoiseach has said that these people will be processes within the framework of our constitution and one has already been rejected!

    Ireland has no obligation to harbour or grant asylum and will do so as is seen fit by the competent authority.

    The people occupying the Cathedral are in fact breaking the law and being a religious establishment the people in charge do not want to take action. If a Christian group occupied a mosque they would be lapidated to death. HYPOCRiCY springs to mind.

    Are there any mosques in Dublin which would serve the protesters better?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    disagreeing with the afghan's tactics and thinking they should be sent packing does not = racism, ignorance or lack of education.

    anyone claiming this should take a serious look at themselves and this situation.

    i've been on the anti-war marches and in many respects i am a bleeding heart liberal but this hunger strike is complete bull****, a stunt pulled by chancers in a bid to blackmail the counrty into submission. why are they in ireland? the Dublin Convention on Asylum Seekers says "someone seeking asylum is required to apply in the member state first entered". THIS IS NOT IRELAND. therefore we must come to the conclusion that they have specifically chosen ireland to come to. why? because ireland has a reputation abroad as a soft touch when it comes to asylum seekers and the welfare benifits afforded them. simple as that. end of story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    rb_ie wrote:
    Ignorance?

    Ag Marbh : You're a hypocrite to call anyone ignorant or uneducated. Though, you are a school child so I can't say I'm surprised.


    rb_ie,

    If you read the whole thread you would have came across the part where I was in work and also stating I work in networking. I am simply advertising what has been organised for anyone that might be interested in taking part. Also the ageism card was a nice try.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    Heinrich wrote:
    You are displaying a high degree of childishness with your constant ill thought out, nonsensical posts!

    These people have no business in using a protestant Cathedral for their protest. The protest, in the first place is not a just one. Our Taoiseach has said that these people will be processes within the framework of our constitution and one has already been rejected!

    Ireland has no obligation to harbour or grant asylum and will do so as is seen fit by the competent authority.

    The people occupying the Cathedral are in fact breaking the law and being a religious establishment the people in charge do not want to take action. If a Christian group occupied a mosque they would be lapidated to death. HYPOCRiCY springs to mind.

    Are there any mosques in Dublin which would serve the protesters better?

    I have already stated my disregard for the law so quoting what our idiot Taoiseach says means nothing for me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Ag marbh, you haven't made any decent points, and when I put logic to you, you just ignored it and said "I only care about these people". An admirable stance. Except, you can't answer the question of why they came here and not the nearest safe country. I think you know they're bullsh*tters, but you're just too stubborn to concede the fact.
    Ag marbh wrote:
    I have already stated my disregard for the law so quoting what our idiot Taoiseach says means nothing for me.

    lol... awesome :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Just The One


    They are trying to hold this country to ransom. And something that is really annoying me is that they are going on hunger strike by choice, the A&E staff are with them - which is fair enough, although I do have some slight issues with it but I can still understand it.

    They are being brought to already over-crowded hospitals - and these are the questions that I want answered... are they waiting on trolleys for hours, are they getting a bed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Heinrich


    Ag marbh wrote:
    I have already stated my disregard for the law so quoting what our idiot Taoiseach says means nothing for me.

    So the Taoiseach is now an idiot. You bandy around enough insults to keep us all mildly amused! If you despise our laws then you are to be despised. Whilst some laws might seem distateful they are there to be obeyed. That is part of our democracy.

    I am baffled with your volume of free time in your place of employment. I hope you don't get caught out by management.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    ag marbh, if you dont like the laws and rules in ireland maybe you should move to that utopian paradise which is afghanistan?

    i think this thread is pointless. anyone with half a brain in their head can see that there is no argument here. kick them out, by force if needeed. no compromise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭HelterSkelter


    julep wrote:
    i love how this line is trotted out every time muslims are accused of being suicide bombers or whatever.
    so, exactly what religion are the palestinians who regularly kill israeli's? what religion are the members of al qaeda? who decides on who is an innocent person and what exactly are the victims of suicide bombers guilty of?
    Aah come off it, the IRA were catholics and terrorists, does that make Catholics in Italy or Spain, for example, terrorists? There are 1.5 million Muslims in the UK and about 20,000 in Ireland. They have been here for generations and (apart from London Bombings) they live here in peace.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Ag marbh wrote:
    rb_ie,

    If you read the whole thread you would have came across the part where I was in work and also stating I work in networking. I am simply advertising what has been organised for anyone that might be interested in taking part. Also the ageism card was a nice try.
    So you're actually an adult?
    Oh dear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭mikedragon32


    For all the people who think this is an isolated incident:

    UNHCR report and go to page 4...

    This is clearly a tactic that is being tried elsewhere in Europe.

    I can't believe that their claim to stay here is anything other than economic. If they are fearful of their lives in Afghanistan, why attempt to take their own lives here. It makes no sense.

    Ag Marbh, do you think the students protesting today will be the same articulate young citizens on display on the RTE news last night? If so we can look forward to some great debating!

    Will you be going back down for another gawk at lunchtime today?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    rb_ie wrote:
    So you're actually an adult?
    Oh dear.

    </predictable>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    .

    Ag Marbh, do you think the students protesting today will be the same articulate young citizens on display on the RTE news last night? If so we can look forward to some great debating!

    Will you be going back down for another gawk at lunchtime today?

    Who can say?

    I have a half day today so i'll be heading down for 2.30


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Heinrich wrote:
    So the Taoiseach is now an idiot. You bandy around enough insults to keep us all mildly amused! If you despise our laws then you are to be despised. Whilst some laws might seem distateful they are there to be obeyed. That is part of our democracy.

    I am baffled with your volume of free time in your place of employment. I hope you don't get caught out by management.


    I hope he does get caught by management.I also hope he gets a grip on reality.Actually,one would soon give him a taste of the other...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Ag marbh wrote:
    Who can say?

    I have a half day today so i'll be heading down for 2.30


    Who cares what you say you're going to do?Yesterday you were full of the same rubbish and you didnt do a damn thing.Its all for nothing anyway as the taoiseach has said he wont deal with these people and i reckon he means it.Democracy prevails!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    Degsy wrote:
    I hope he does get caught by management.I also hope he gets a grip on reality.Actually,one would soon give him a taste of the other...

    Both of you are posting alot also so I don't know what you're talking about free time. I'm able to do two things at once unfortunately


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Ag marbh wrote:
    Both of you are posting alot also so I don't know what you're talking about free time. I'm able to do two things at once unfortunately


    :confused:
    The only thing you're doing with any degree of competence is talking complete rubbish!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    Degsy wrote:
    :confused:
    The only thing you're doing with any degree of competence is talking complete rubbish!

    Im feeling the same about alot of the stuff said here so...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭HelterSkelter


    Lads, this thread has turned into a farce with all your childish bickering. Give it a rest will ya?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Heinrich


    Ag marbh wrote:
    Both of you are posting alot also so I don't know what you're talking about free time. I'm able to do two things at once unfortunately

    My free time is not being paid for by some unfortunate employer who has skiving staff. I am at home and in the process of revamping my house. I have never used an employer's time or resources for personal e-mails or web surfing. Having a pretty good networked computer setup at home I feel more comfortable with the privacy and superior facilities. That way I have a clear conscience which does not have to be salved by visits to the principal Protestant Cathedral on a lost cause for lawbreakers. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Heinrich wrote:
    My free time is not being paid for by some unfortunate employer who has skiving staff. I am at home and in the process of revamping my house. I have never used an employer's time or resources for personal e-mails or web surfing. Having a pretty good networked computer setup at home I feel more comfortable with the privacy and superior facilities. That way I have a clear conscience which does not have to be salved by visits to the principal Protestant Cathedral on a lost cause for lawbreakers. :)


    And a lost cause it is.What a relief the government saw sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Aah come off it, the IRA were catholics and terrorists, does that make Catholics in Italy or Spain, for example, terrorists? There are 1.5 million Muslims in the UK and about 20,000 in Ireland. They have been here for generations and (apart from London Bombings) they live here in peace.
    oh for the love of god. or allah. or jehovah or whatever.
    i never said all muslims are terrorists, but the terrorists who are muslim carry out their acts in the name of islam. oh yes, they do. they believe they will be rewarded in heaven for killing non-believers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,447 ✭✭✭Archeron


    julep wrote:
    oh for the love of god. or allah. or jehovah or whatever.
    i never said all muslims are terrorists, but the terrorists who are muslim carry out their acts in the name of islam. oh yes, they do. they believe they will be rewarded in heaven for killing non-believers.

    He said Jehovah. Stone him!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    let's condense the thread. they should be kicked out because:
    • they went through loads of countries to get here. that alone breaks the law and invalidates their request
    • they went through the process and had their claims denied already
    • if the govt caves in, we'll have millions of people at our shores in days, all ready to starve themselves like spoiled children


    so ag marbh, in 100 words or less, why should they be allowed stay:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    julep wrote:
    oh for the love of god. or allah. or jehovah or whatever.
    i never said all muslims are terrorists, but the terrorists who are muslim carry out their acts in the name of islam. oh yes, they do. they believe they will be rewarded in heaven for killing non-believers.


    remember the crusades? that was christians slaughtering most of the world in the name of god. george bush honestly believes god guides all his actions. the problem isn't muslims, the problem is extremist idiots. they aren't exclusive to any ethnic group.

    what about ian paisley?

    what about hitler?

    they weren't muslim and they're pretty evil people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    If I were to write a paragraph the loop would start again and go on like the Duracell bunny

    Updates

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/76034


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Ag marbh wrote:
    If I were to write a paragraph the loop would start again and go on like the Duracell bunny


    Write in 100 words or less why the SHOULD be allowed to stay in spite of the decision of the government(who HAS analysed thier claims)not to.
    Please...go ahead..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Heinrich


    Ag marbh wrote:
    If I were to write a paragraph the loop would start again and go on like the Duracell bunny

    Updates

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/76034

    Rather than rise to the formidable challenge of writing 100 words on a cause you claim to be supporting you just keep waffling.

    Remember that you are probably the major instrument in this Duracell bunny debate.

    Let's see what you might be made of if you have the mental energy to come up with some decent text for a change. ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Ag marbh


    No.


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