Afghan hunger strike in St Patricks.

godfather69er

babybundy wrote:

get them out of the country look at the black student cunlea or something like that he was allowed back in and drives around with no tax insurance or licence and looking at how some polls and liths drive i say we should have done wat most europe did CLOSE THE BLOODY BORDERS

now that is racist, the fact is we need immigrants but, since we can choose which, and as the country especially dublin has its share of scum bags, we dont need to babysit the african and east europe scumbags,

babybundy

Mossy Monk wrote:

why close the borders? no one should have problems with people who are here legitimately

wat about those who are working for pittens and taking irish jobs you dont work in construction anyway you'll have the same opion when you lose your job to them

babybundy

in this country we are paying double and tripple taxes high cost of living and now we are expected to work for less just because an immigrant will work for half price

godfather69er

babybundy wrote:

wat about those who are working for pittens and taking irish jobs you dont work in construction anyway you'll have the same opion when you lose your job to them

maybe its because of your greed, if they can work on min wage why cant you

babybundy

union rates

Mossy Monk

babybundy wrote:

in this country we are paying double and tripple taxes high cost of living and now we are expected to work for less just because an immigrant will work for half price

dont be stupid. no one should be made work for slave wages. those employers should be jailed. your point about jobs being taken is ridiculous

babybundy

Mossy Monk wrote:

dont be stupid. no one should be made work for slave wages. those employers should be jailed. your point about jobs being taken is ridiculous

ya i agree jail the greedy employers i've seen it with my own eyes union rates should become law why work a dangerous 8 euro

First impressions last and they haven't started with a good one, their recent actions should be taken into account when and if there cases are reviewed one by one and to be honest with you they should be deported. They're not even in our country legally and there already breaking the law :mad:

What they are doing is wrong, plain and simple. We have rules and laws in place for a reason, just because they are Afghan still doesn't give them the right to come into our country and have a total disregard for them. I'm not a racist person but I do believe that they should be deported and on the bases of their recent actions too.
At the end of the day if they are allowed to stay and even if it's done through all the proper channels it will still be seen by the majority of the Irish people and the world as that their plan worked and they got what they wanted by carry it out.

Our government needs to send out a clear message "you can't get asylum here by using bullying tactics and we won't be threatened into giving you what you want!"

Terry

babybundy wrote:

what about those who are working for a pittance and taking irish jobs? you dont work in construction anyway. you'll have the same opinion when you lose your job to them

damn goobacks. they took our jobs.

it is true that there are some immigrants coming here and undercutting the prices of skilled construction workers, but it all balances itself out.
most of those i've seen working here on the cheap did piss poor work, so they are not exactly getting a good reputation for it.
you want a job done cheap? by all means employ one of these unproven workers, who will not guarantee their work and could be gone out of the country right after making a balls of your house. or you could just pay a skilled person to do the job properly.
at the end of the day, a job done poorly costs you more in the long run. you get what you pay for.
that's not to say all immigrants are going to rip you off. i know a german tiler. he'll charge you a lot of money, but you will get a perfect job done.

mikedragon32

babybundy wrote:

ya i agree jail the greedy employers i've seen it with my own eyes union rates should become law why work a dangerous 8 euro

Huh?

babybundy

i agree just deport them as an example

Degsy

If they want to work let them apply for work permits instead of applying for asylum.They know if they apply for asylum they get everything paid for and tax free as well.What about nigerians who work in toilets of pubs?They're providing no service and using the fear of racism to make people pay them.

babybundy

mikedragon32 wrote:

Huh?

read the last few boxes and you'll see

mikedragon32

babybundy wrote:

read the last few boxes and you'll see

The statement of yours which I quoted in my last post, made no sense whatsoever. Maybe it was down to absolutely no punctuation, but how can one work a dangerous 8 euro?

Hence: Huh?

babybundy

julep wrote:

damn goobacks. they took our jobs.

it is true that there are some immigrants coming here and undercutting the prices of skilled construction workers, but it all balances itself out.
most of those i've seen working here on the cheap did piss poor work, so they are not exactly getting a good reputation for it.
you want a job done cheap? by all means employ one of these unproven workers, who will not guarantee their work and could be gone out of the country right after making a balls of your house. or you could just pay a skilled person to do the job properly.
at the end of the day, a job done poorly costs you more in the long run. you get what you pay for.
that's not to say all immigrants are going to rip you off. i know a german tiler. he'll charge you a lot of money, but you will get a perfect job done.

i was working with a few sub contracted to us and one of our lads was nearly dragged out a window because a poll couldn't speak english fluent english should be required for the fas pass none of the **** of running the course in polish

babybundy

mikedragon32 wrote:

The statement of yours which I quoted in my last post, made no sense whatsoever. Maybe it was down to absolutely no punctuation, but how can one work a dangerous 8 euro?

Hence: Huh?

sorry my mistake i meant a dangerous job for 8 euro

yom 1

hellboy99 wrote:

Our government needs to send out a clear message "you can't get asylum here by using bullying tactics and we won't be threatened into giving you what you want!"

Absolutely spot on mate. Lets hope for once our poxy government carries out something they say they will do. Otherwise I'm afraid we'll have to be prepared for a free for all.

mikedragon32

babybundy wrote:

sorry my mistake i meant a dangerous job for 8 euro

Oh! That makes a bit more sense!

I totally agree that immigrants (for want of a better term) often do work for less than Irish, but often this is due to unscrupulous employers and agencies who take advantage of them, in the knowledge that the immigrant would have been paid even less at home so that it seems like a good wage.

It's not necessarily the immigrants fault and this arguement is slightly off topic anyway, as it goes to the broader spectrum of Immigration, which the majority of posters on this thread have no objection to.

If we were to close our borders as you have suggested, going by your train of thought, it should be a two way deal. How would you go on your holidays then?

Doctor Fell

I knew some Irish people were racist, but I'm really shocked at the level of intolerance, racism and lack of understanding of most of these posts. I am embarassed to be of the same race as some of you, with your infantile moronic attitudes. "Kick them out", "let them starve", "we'll have 3 billion people here if we let 40 stay", "I've got a sh*t job therefore screw the asylum seekers!".

Jesus!

First off, Ireland has a legal obligation to provide asylum for people whose lives are potentially in danger from their fellow countrymen. It seems fairly clear that these people qualify, but somehow our asylum system refused them - that seems to be a fault of the system, not their fault. So they are right to protest against it. Also, some of them have been waiting 5 years for their Appeal - u can't blame them for being p*ssed off and hopeless. And they cannot be legally deported yet because they haven't had their Appeal yet. So that's not an option. So u can't kick them out, u Nazis.

Secondly these people are, human beings :eek: :eek: Some of you seem to not realise this. What's wrong with you?
Bobby Sands was commemorated recently, yet now u are sneering at these people. What about the millions of Irish asylum seekers in the 1800's?? Should USA have kicked them out and "let them starve?"

Also, some d*ck head said about the case in England where Afghans hijacked a plane - yes, and they were allowed to stay and granted asylum!! U didn't mention that.

Also, they are in the country legally. And again, so what if some were Taliban associates? Do you not know that the Northern Alliance were notorious rapists and murderers before the USA gave them carte blanche? That opium production under the Taliban was virtually non-existant but now runs at 90% of the worlds supply comes from Afghanistan? The point is that murderous reprisals are a high probability should they return, if they had any connection with the Taliban. So again, I don't understand why they should be refused asylum under international conventions.

So enough of people's scumbag disgusting racist attitudes, you really make me sick. There are people in this society desperate enough to undergo the horrors of hunger strike, and all you can do is make inane nonsensical racist comments - you are the scourge of any society.

Degsy

Degsy wrote:

If they want to work let them apply for work permits instead of applying for asylum.They know if they apply for asylum they get everything paid for and tax free as well.What about nigerians who work in toilets of pubs?They're providing no service and using the fear of racism to make people pay them.

I've never actually paid them - all they do is sit there. Maybe offer me a towel, which I can get on my own anyway.

babybundy

If we were to close our borders as you have suggested, going by your train of thought, it should be a two way deal. How would you go on your holidays then?[/QUOTE]
germany and most of europe done it or placed resrictions on numbers coming in when the new states joined only ireland ,england and one other left the borders open . when it comes to wages they are told that the minimum wage in ireland is 7 something but we'll give you 8 10

Degsy

Doctor Fell wrote:

I knew some Irish people were racist, but I'm really shocked at the level of intolerance, racism and lack of understanding of most of these posts. I am embarassed to be of the same race as some of you, with your infantile moronic attitudes. "Kick them out", "let them starve", "we'll have 3 billion people here if we let 40 stay", "I've got a sh*t job therefore screw the asylum seekers!".

Jesus!

First off, Ireland has a legal obligation to provide asylum for people whose lives are potentially in danger from their fellow countrymen. It seems fairly clear that these people qualify, but somehow our asylum system refused them - that seems to be a fault of the system, not their fault. So they are right to protest against it. Also, some of them have been waiting 5 years for their Appeal - u can't blame them for being p*ssed off and hopeless. And they cannot be legally deported yet because they haven't had their Appeal yet. So that's not an option. So u can't kick them out, u Nazis.

Secondly these people are, human beings :eek: :eek: Some of you seem to not realise this. What's wrong with you?
Bobby Sands was commemorated recently, yet now u are sneering at these people. What about the millions of Irish asylum seekers in the 1800's?? Should USA have kicked them out and "let them starve?"

Also, some d*ck head said about the case in England where Afghans hijacked a plane - yes, and they were allowed to stay and granted asylum!! U didn't mention that.

Also, they are in the country legally. And again, so what if some were Taliban associates? Do you not know that the Northern Alliance were notorious rapists and murderers before the USA gave them carte blanche? That opium production under the Taliban was virtually non-existant but now runs at 90% of the worlds supply comes from Afghanistan? The point is that murderous reprisals are a high probability should they return, if they had any connection with the Taliban. So again, I don't understand why they should be refused asylum under international conventions.

So enough of people's scumbag disgusting racist attitudes, you really make me sick. There are people in this society desperate enough to undergo the horrors of hunger strike, and all you can do is make inane nonsensical racist comments - you are the scourge of any society.

I was that "dickhead" who said about the afghans highjacking a plane.Firstly can i remind you about what the charter says about abuse and secondly if it got them asylumn more fool the british or any government for caving in to thier demands.Highjacking is terrorism,would you like to be on a plane that was highjacked?Would you be happy if after you'd though you were going to die your *attackers* were granted the right to live in your country?
Ands thirdly,stop calling everybody racist,you're only showing yourself up.People who shout "racist" at the drop of a hat NEVER have a convincing argument for anything and have no credibility.

babybundy

Doctor Fell wrote:

There are people in this society desperate enough to undergo the horrors of hunger strike, and all you can do is make inane nonsensical racist comments - you are the scourge of any society.

thats not a protest thats BLACKMAIL ya degsy is right put a sock in it if you dont like my opion then why should listen to yours

babybundy

and dont bring bobby sands in to this

blu_sonic

babybundy wrote:

and dont bring bobby sands in to this

ah why not? go on for the laugh! watch people desperatly trying to parallel him and this it can only be funny

babybundy

no its an insult i am asking politly not if that doesn't work then i'll winge

HelterSkelter

babybundy wrote:

thats not a protest thats BLACKMAIL ya degsy is right put a sock in it if you dont like my opion then why should listen to yours

You're involved in the building industry, right? Have you ever been on strike or supported fellow workers on strike. A strike is blackmail as well.

mikedragon32

Doctor Fell wrote:

First off, Ireland has a legal obligation to provide asylum for people whose lives are potentially in danger from their fellow countrymen. It seems fairly clear that these people qualify

On what grounds? They say that their lives are in danger. Can you provide the evidence that they couldn't provide to the RAC?

Doctor Fell wrote:

but somehow our asylum system refused them - that seems to be a fault of the system, not their fault.

If their application failed it was because they failed to produce sufficient evidence, therefore it IS their fault

Doctor Fell wrote:

Also, some of them have been waiting 5 years for their Appeal - u can't blame them for being p*ssed off and hopeless.

As long as they are awaiting their appeal they are given accommodation and are either given direct provision or an allowance for living expenses. If they're pissed off, they have no right to be. The process takes this long because there was a large number of Asylum Applicants in the last 6 years or so and the system is at capacity. At least they're not in a facility like Sangattes, fenced in and unable to go anywhere legally. The freedom they get here has been abused to take over a place of worship of a faith not their own. Odd that.

Doctor Fell wrote:

So u can't kick them out, u Nazis.

Doctor Fell wrote:

So enough of people's scumbag disgusting racist attitudes, you really make me sick. There are people in this society desperate enough to undergo the horrors of hunger strike, and all you can do is make inane nonsensical racist comments - you are the scourge of any society.

Easy on the abuse there, Mister. Not all (if any) of us are racists and I defy you to produce anything on this thread that is inane or nonsensical written by me. To label any of us a scourge on society is to forget one thing. We are part of what makes this society.

Please note, I have attacked your post and not you, as the poster. Give it a try rather than posting flamebait.

Ag marbh

Doctor Fell wrote:

I knew some Irish people were racist, but I'm really shocked at the level of intolerance, racism and lack of understanding of most of these posts. I am embarassed to be of the same race as some of you, with your infantile moronic attitudes. "Kick them out", "let them starve", "we'll have 3 billion people here if we let 40 stay", "I've got a sh*t job therefore screw the asylum seekers!".

Jesus!

First off, Ireland has a legal obligation to provide asylum for people whose lives are potentially in danger from their fellow countrymen. It seems fairly clear that these people qualify, but somehow our asylum system refused them - that seems to be a fault of the system, not their fault. So they are right to protest against it. Also, some of them have been waiting 5 years for their Appeal - u can't blame them for being p*ssed off and hopeless. And they cannot be legally deported yet because they haven't had their Appeal yet. So that's not an option. So u can't kick them out, u Nazis.

Secondly these people are, human beings :eek: :eek: Some of you seem to not realise this. What's wrong with you?
Bobby Sands was commemorated recently, yet now u are sneering at these people. What about the millions of Irish asylum seekers in the 1800's?? Should USA have kicked them out and "let them starve?"

Also, some d*ck head said about the case in England where Afghans hijacked a plane - yes, and they were allowed to stay and granted asylum!! U didn't mention that.

Also, they are in the country legally. And again, so what if some were Taliban associates? Do you not know that the Northern Alliance were notorious rapists and murderers before the USA gave them carte blanche? That opium production under the Taliban was virtually non-existant but now runs at 90% of the worlds supply comes from Afghanistan? The point is that murderous reprisals are a high probability should they return, if they had any connection with the Taliban. So again, I don't understand why they should be refused asylum under international conventions.

So enough of people's scumbag disgusting racist attitudes, you really make me sick. There are people in this society desperate enough to undergo the horrors of hunger strike, and all you can do is make inane nonsensical racist comments - you are the scourge of any society.

Just back home to read this gem.

Spot on.

base2

I've emailed my support to the Minister and have gotten an acknowledgement back.

I'd say this to you all. Let your TDs know your stance on this so that they know where the votes are. We've been silent for too long on this stuff, letting a handful of obnoxious zealots have all the say.

blu_sonic

no a strike that follows the legal parameters is not blackmail its industrial action.

This Illigal "protest" is blackmail. What about the real victims here, the people the are tring to jump in the refugee que, should all the other asylem seekers just go and decide they won't follow the correct processes?

good statment there putting out isn't it?
"we would rather die, then go home and die".

babybundy

i'm sorry to say let them die in vain

blu_sonic

base2 wrote:

I've emailed my support to the Minister and have gotten an acknowledgement back.

I'd say this to you all. Let your TDs know your stance on this so that they know where the votes are. We've been silent for too long on this stuff, letting a handful of obnoxious zealots have all the say.

hope you posted a link to this thread

Kiera

Ag marbh wrote:

Just back home to read this gem.

Spot on.

What you really mean is: I couldn’t be arsed replying to everyone who was addressing me as I couldn’t back up my comments so I’ll jump in here coz this guy has said what I wanted to say but I’m (whats the word you use a lot?) Oh yeah, uneducated.

mikedragon32

HelterSkelter wrote:

You're involved in the building industry, right? Have you ever been on strike or supported fellow workers on strike. A strike is blackmail as well.

Not necessarily.

An official strike is a legal form of protest which is protected by our constitution.

Before a strike can be officially recognised there are procedures to be followed and the strike usually is as a result of the failure of these procedures to produce an agreement on the disputed issue.

If you mean an unofficial strike, then I agree, yes it is a form of blackmail, but they rarely succeed. The most recent rail dispute (and the one before that) are proof.

base2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor Fell
I knew some Irish people were racist, but I'm really shocked at the level of intolerance, racism and lack of understanding of most of these posts. I am embarassed to be of the same race as some of you, with your infantile moronic attitudes. "Kick them out", "let them starve", "we'll have 3 billion people here if we let 40 stay", "I've got a sh*t job therefore screw the asylum seekers!".

Jesus!

First off, Ireland has a legal obligation to provide asylum for people whose lives are potentially in danger from their fellow countrymen. It seems fairly clear that these people qualify, but somehow our asylum system refused them - that seems to be a fault of the system, not their fault. So they are right to protest against it. Also, some of them have been waiting 5 years for their Appeal - u can't blame them for being p*ssed off and hopeless. And they cannot be legally deported yet because they haven't had their Appeal yet. So that's not an option. So u can't kick them out, u Nazis.

Secondly these people are, human beings Some of you seem to not realise this. What's wrong with you?
Bobby Sands was commemorated recently, yet now u are sneering at these people. What about the millions of Irish asylum seekers in the 1800's?? Should USA have kicked them out and "let them starve?"

Also, some d*ck head said about the case in England where Afghans hijacked a plane - yes, and they were allowed to stay and granted asylum!! U didn't mention that.

Also, they are in the country legally. And again, so what if some were Taliban associates? Do you not know that the Northern Alliance were notorious rapists and murderers before the USA gave them carte blanche? That opium production under the Taliban was virtually non-existant but now runs at 90% of the worlds supply comes from Afghanistan? The point is that murderous reprisals are a high probability should they return, if they had any connection with the Taliban. So again, I don't understand why they should be refused asylum under international conventions.

So enough of people's scumbag disgusting racist attitudes, you really make me sick. There are people in this society desperate enough to undergo the horrors of hunger strike, and all you can do is make inane nonsensical racist comments - you are the scourge of any society.

Calling us Nazis, racists and dickheads? Thats what you're up against when you try and debate with reason on immigration.

Ag marbh

base2 wrote:

Calling us Nazis, racists and dickheads? Thats what you're up against when you try and debate with reason on immigration.

There has been Nazi like comments in the thread. There has been racist like comments on the thread and there have been certainly alot of dickheads.

Does the truth hurt?

babybundy

this tread should finish up its getting hot if this was face to face we would be throwing slaps soon

mikedragon32

Ag marbh, earlier today... wrote:

I answered every question asked early on in the thread.

This will be my last reply and will only be posting with updates and hopefully all the support will be successful.

Ag marbh, just now... wrote:

Just back home to read this gem.

Spot on.

This isn't an update...

Don't you just hate making a liar of yourself!

Ag marbh

Kiera wrote:

What you really mean is: I couldn’t be arsed replying to everyone who was addressing me as I couldn’t back up my comments so I’ll jump in here coz this guy has said what I wanted to say but I’m (whats the word you use a lot?) Oh yeah, uneducated.

Kiera, what exactly are you contributing to the thread? The last thing you said on topic must have been pages back. If you have a personal problem with me feel free to use th PM system because the only thing you have done is post comments each time I post.

My initial point in the thread was that these men should not be deported because of the human rights deprivation they face when they return home and I have stuck to supporting my opinion from the start. The rest got dragged into a loop of crap. I never changed my opinion once.

wes

Degsy wrote:

I was that "dickhead" who said about the afghans highjacking a plane.Firstly can i remind you about what the charter says about abuse and secondly if it got them asylumn more fool the british or any government for caving in to thier demands.Highjacking is terrorism,would you like to be on a plane that was highjacked?Would you be happy if after you'd though you were going to die your *attackers* were granted the right to live in your country?
Ands thirdly,stop calling everybody racist,you're only showing yourself up.People who shout "racist" at the drop of a hat NEVER have a convincing argument for anything and have no credibility.

Have to agree with this, how is asking a group of people to accept our asylum system racist. They are trying to skip the queue over other asylum seekers. The worst thing about this crowd is that they make the genuine asylum seekers look really bad with a stunt like this. Anything they do they have brought on themselves.

Ag marbh

mikedragon32 wrote:

This isn't an update...

Don't you just hate making a liar of yourself!

You can't win with you bunch can you?

When I posted that comment, it was abuse and then when I post I get more abuse. I'm content in my opinions so keep sending them cheap shots over, they're just bouncing right back.


ZZZ

Degsy

Ag marbh wrote:

There has been Nazi like comments in the thread. There has been racist like comments on the thread and there have been certainly alot of dickheads.

Does the truth hurt?

You're an absolute gob****e you know that?

Ag marbh

Degsy wrote:

You're an absolute gob****e you know that?

Yeah everyone with different opinions are gob****es. Thanks for the direct insult but i'm just stating facts and if you choose to disagree fair enough.

mwah

babybundy

now now dont be bitches to each other everyone is entitled to there opion

Heinrich

Ag marbh wrote:

You can't win with you bunch can you?

When I posted that comment, it was abuse and then when I post I get more abuse. I'm content in my opinions so keep sending them cheap shots over, they're just bouncing right back.


ZZZ

Admit it, you are winding us up! You could not be for real. You charge off in a huff proclaiming that you will be back with an update on the successful campaign of lawbreaking at St Pat's.

Can you get it into your head that we have laws here. Maybe we might be worse than those dictators elsewhere but WE ARE IN OUR COUNTRY WITH OUR LAWS WHICH WE RESPECT and if anyone comes here he/she must abide by our laws or pay the consequences. If these people tried that anwhere esle in the Middle East or Africa they would already be dead!

Kiera

Ag marbh wrote:

My initial point in the thread was that these men should not be deported because of the human rights deprivation they face when they return home and I have stuck to supporting my opinion from the start. The rest got dragged into a loop of crap. I never changed my opinion once.

So what should we do with them, AM? Should we give in to the hunger strike? What would be your answer to this?

Degsy

Ag marbh wrote:

Yeah everyone with different opinions are gob****es. Thanks for the direct insult but i'm just stating facts and if you choose to disagree fair enough.

mwah

Just giving you a taste of your own medicine.You've called me plenty of names and i havbt retaliated.
HAve you written up your 100 word essay on why these people should be allowed to stay yet?Because the way i see it everyone else has given you good reasons why they SHOULDNT stay and you've come back with nothing but nonsense..childish nonsense at that.

Dave!

calm it down lads, there's been some good points made in this thread and it's a good discussion, so I don't want it closed!

babybundy

Heinrich wrote:

WE ARE IN OUR COUNTRY WITH OUR LAWS WHICH WE RESPECT

well said