Fraudulent dealers

Our man in Havana

undercover1 wrote:

I've been doing some research for some news stories I'd like to publish about imported cars, car clocking and fraudulent car spec advertising. While trawling through cars today I found 1 imported car being sold be 3 different dealership with each one listing different mileage and 1 dealership advertising a higher spec than the car actually is.

Here's the cars:
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=424996


http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=424384


http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=417621


I found this pretty interesting and sent an email, see below....

"I would like to enquire about the 2004 Toyota Celica VVTI 190BHP (AS
NEW, UNMARKED) 1.8 Petrol (ref. 88) - False advertising, this celica isn't
190bhp - the 190 models are VVTL-i engines and the rev counter goes to 9000 instead of 8 and they have an oval exhaust, not a round one."

and here's the resposne I got.....

"Inbox: celica
From: per4mancecarz@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: CarZone Website - USED CAR Query

go **** yourself u prick "

I hope you signed him up to every spam site going, just for fun!

JohnCleary

Bond-007 wrote:

I hope you signed him up to every spam site going, just for fun!

Gay German porn comes to mind!

prospect

ButcherOfNog wrote:

And the original poster was not enquiring to buy a car, from the mail its obvious you have no interest in buying, just pointing out what may have been a mistake.

Are you trying to defend the apparant response the OP received?

I run my own business, and I can tell you, you should never use abusive language or insults, especially in writing. If that company doesn't realise that, then it is quite obvious they are a half-arzed amature outfit.

maidhc

prospect wrote:

I run my own business, and I can tell you, you should never use abusive language or insults, especially in writing. If that company doesn't realise that, then it is quite obvious they are a half-arzed amature outfit.

I agree. I have now formed the opinion the dealer is actually a fraud, not to mention abusive, a well worded riposte pointing out the OP was wrong (or they dealer had made a mistake), would have caused me to have the opposite view.

Sleipnir

Only mobile numbers? A Hotmail address?

Personally I think somebody is buying and selling cars as a "dealer" when in fact they have no business setup at all. It 'looks' like a dealership so people would be more likely to trust it I guess.
Why don't you get in touch with Carzone.ie and let them know?

Wibbs

AlanD wrote:

Ha....this lad is a chancer.

Check this one out:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=413861

mileage quoted as 11,000 but odometer shows 112,000...what a muppett.

Class alright. He even shouts about it having it's original auction report(with the proper mileage). They all should have that. While this crowd are so obvious there are many many dodgy traders in this end of the market(the really criminal aspect shouldn't be overlooked either as the car trade is a good way to launder money). Why they are not prosecuted is beyond me. Then again why anyone would buy an imported Jap car without proper research is really beyond me. Guys like this will continue to trade as long as customers remain gullible.

bennyx_o

A friend of mine was looking at cars down here a while ago. TBH, most of the cars don't look the best. At least one of thwm had a full exhaust system, sittign inside the car. Some of them had rubbish all over the interier, all in japanese. The guy himself was loud and well, obnoxious(sp?)

upsfan

Ok, I couldn't resist emailing him myself:

>I would like to enquire about the 1999 Nissan Pulsar VZR (A GLANZA
>EATER) 1.8 Petrol (ref. 91) hi, u had a car on last week that was fast as
>fúck but it's gone now, anywayz I'm really looking for a car that's faster
>than fúck - doesn't have to be much, but a little over fúck would be nice.
>What do u suggest? Jeff

Response:
i suggest you lick the back of my balls

http://www.spam.la/?id=2314148

I will admit that this was not a genuine enquiry.

smash

upsfan wrote:

Ok, I couldn't resist emailing him myself:

>I would like to enquire about the 1999 Nissan Pulsar VZR (A GLANZA
>EATER) 1.8 Petrol (ref. 91) hi, u had a car on last week that was fast as
>fúck but it's gone now, anywayz I'm really looking for a car that's faster
>than fúck - doesn't have to be much, but a little over fúck would be nice.
>What do u suggest? Jeff

Response:
i suggest you lick the back of my balls

http://www.spam.la/?id=2314148

I will admit that this was not a genuine enquiry.

haha, that's priceless

cargrouch

upsfan wrote:

Ok, I couldn't resist emailing him myself:

>I would like to enquire about the 1999 Nissan Pulsar VZR (A GLANZA
>EATER) 1.8 Petrol (ref. 91) hi, u had a car on last week that was fast as
>fúck but it's gone now, anywayz I'm really looking for a car that's faster
>than fúck - doesn't have to be much, but a little over fúck would be nice.
>What do u suggest? Jeff
QUOTE]

Classic! You could have so much fun with this guy, he's more like a random insult generator than a car salesman.

Hotwheels

why not all email him? with a prize for the most informative insult

Mc-BigE

Hotwheels wrote:

why not all email him? with a prize for the most informative insult

good idea , but what about forwarding all emails to the SIMI ?
having said that, he's probably not a member!

Eoin

Here is a list of all his cars on carzone if you want a gander

Stephen

This guy clearly went to the Jack Thompson school of business.

JohnCleary

Ring him and ask him if his prices include VAT - If he says YES ask him for his VAT number! The next thing I think you'll hear is him hanging up the phone.

Or ring up and pretend to be the Revenue, tell him your calling down tomorrow for an audit

DukeDredd

This could be a fun game guys and girls. Emailed them earlier as follows:

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Hello,

I am enquiring about the car on carzone.ie located here: http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=387454 , Nissan 180SX **AS NEW-OUT OF THE BOX!!!!**.

Can you let me know if the car is being sold with it's box? It would be really useful as i don't have a garage to put the car into.

---

And the response:

---

its being sold with its box, any chance i could have a go of your box?????

---

His "name" seems to be conor mcgonagle.

Anyone else fancy emailing?! Best response from him wins!

Kimbot

Lad I work in Revenue and I was looking at a Levin in his place so I will email him from my work address and see what happens!!

Kersh

This is getting very good....:D

JohnCleary

jonny24ie wrote:

Lad I work in Revenus and I was looking at a Levin in his place so I will email him from my work address and see what happens!!

I've a feeling you may not get a response! Ask him if the price includes VAT, and if not... 'Can a cash payment me made wink wink'

-Edit- He's probably actually reading this thread, so he might only play along

Kimbot

Well mine is a genuine query, but mileage on the car does not match what is advertised and a few other little descrepencies and I have asked why that is!!

quarryman

ha he has a 99 civic there with 20,000 "genuine" miles.

run dougal, quite fast!

smash

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=403974

FRESH IN FROM JAPAN (WONT LAST LONG)

why, what's wrong with it..... some good cars up there alright, a good laugh looking through them. And I own a Celica 190 and you're right, he has 3 celicas there, only 1 is actually a 190 model.

Hotwheels

Grabs bag of popcorn and sits in comfy chair...
Excellent

carman1985

why would performance cars take pics of the odometer if he was trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes, I kno here that garage is my mate bought a civic type-r theren no probs at all!! very nice people

mike65

And the buig thumbs up with the first post! Words speading!

Mike.

carman1985

If You Can Actually See The Mileage On The Odometer Reading Itself Who Cares Wat The Add Says??????? Its There In A Picture So Wats The Fuss??? You Guys Are Reading Into This Far Too Much,

Wibbs

So wondering why the stated mileage of a car is way off is reading into it too much? Ok so. Equally why not just put the proper mileage in the ad in the first place. Lazyness, dishonesty, stupidity? Why can't all the imports come with their auction report? If this lot or anyone else is bringing them in they get one so why not show it to the customer? That shows the true mileage, accident damage etc. There are ( a very) few that do, why not the rest? This lot advertise one that has a report as if that's amazing. It's not. They should all come with one. Hmmmm I wonder why they don't?

JohnCleary

carman1985 wrote:

If You Can Actually See The Mileage On The Odometer Reading Itself Who Cares Wat The Add Says??????? Its There In A Picture So Wats The Fuss??? You Guys Are Reading Into This Far Too Much,

Don't suppose we have the owner of Perform4nce Cars here do we? Judging by the way he spells and the way he spells his company name :rolleyes:

Eoin

JohnCleary wrote:

Don't suppose we have the owner of Perform4nce Cars here do we? Judging by the way he spells and the way he spells his company name :rolleyes:

<geek>Pretty sure you could check the headers from the email address with the IP address of the posts</geek>

parsi

jonny24ie wrote:

Lad I work in Revenue and I was looking at a Levin in his place so I will email him from my work address and see what happens!!

I imagine that would in some way contravene the acceptable use policy of the Revenue's email... ? It would be fairly similar to sending it out on headed paper. It may come back to haunt ya.