Art History

the Shades

Actually having studied both and worked in galleries I've found that the artists who know and are interested in the history of art produce far more interesting work than those that go to college and then hit the galleries spouting the nonsense they were brain washed with by some art college teacher.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

A someone who very nearly failed art in the leaving some years ago, never went to art college and is not a semi-profeesional artist, can I give you some advice...?

Learn about the histroy of art. Even if you just skim over it, learn it. Then find artists you truly like and STUDY them. Not because you have to, because you like them. Learn from them. Any art or craft is always enhanced by learning from those who went before. Before you start breaking rules, you have to know what the rules are.

ThrownAway

The only artist I'm remotley intrested in is Van Gogh solely because of his intrest in eclipses but that's not even on the course and my teacher didn't cover him.

HoboJesus

My point was in response to:

"if it wasn't for art history you wouldn't really be studying art at all."

I don't dislike art history, I've caught myself ogling the works in my textbook when I should be studying numerous times. And I did say it was sometimes important, but I just dislike that in LC "Art" automatically includes "Art history". Also, if you need to study past artists to study art at all, then how did art even start in the first place? Finally, I used the word "some" intentionally, I know art history can have positive effects on a person's work, I just don't think it should be forced on all art students (at LC level).

This is a really boring point, and it's off-topic. There's an art history test on thursday whether I want it to be there or not. I'm glad the practical side is at least worth more .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

HoboJesus wrote:

My point was in response to:

"if it wasn't for art history you wouldn't really be studying art at all."

I don't dislike art history, I've caught myself ogling the works in my textbook when I should be studying numerous times. And I did say it was sometimes important, but I just dislike that in LC "Art" automatically includes "Art history". Also, if you need to study past artists to study art at all, then how did art even start in the first place? Finally, I used the word "some" intentionally, I know art history can have positive effects on a person's work, I just don't think it should be forced on all art students (at LC level).

This is a really boring point, and it's off-topic. There's an art history test on thursday whether I want it to be there or not. I'm glad the practical side is at least worth more .

In all fairness, you could be talking about almost anything on the leaving!! How would you feel if the Art History had a bit more variety? More contempoary artists as well as past masters to choose from?

the Shades

HoboJesus wrote:

My point was in response to:
I'm glad the practical side is at least worth more .

but it's not, it's three seperate papers that combined are worth more, individually none of them carry as much weight.

annettemc

our teacher never did ANY art history with us so i have to cram it all in tomorrow basically and thursday morning. where can i get information on visit to art gallery? anyone know???

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

annettemc wrote:

our teacher never did ANY art history with us so i have to cram it all in tomorrow basically and thursday morning. where can i get information on visit to art gallery? anyone know???

www.artrenewal.org
www.artcyclopedia.com

Be warned, they're big

Zeuz

Art history, hmmm .....




yep im screwd... although we did a bit of history in school we had 4 differnet teachers in our 2 years of Art, and it didnt go exactly to plan.

For one When the Art gallary visit was on, I was not aloowd to go As I was wearing BLACK runners, the principal, (F***ker) siad i must get off bus pr**k.

so I am cluless abou that but I will use ur links "Ikky" so thanks,

So what I would like to know, is What is the minimum every one is studying?

TiM_rEAPeR

You guys are making me so god dam mad, e-gad! learning off 5 6 essays is joke. I can draw pretty dam good and at the moment im sureto be sitting on a high C, history of art Is a cake and the english flows so im determined that im ONLY going to have to be learning newgrange and impressionism (maybe cubism/surrealism).
The appreciation is also hilarious, make a sculpture, re-design a cat.. this is only 35.5%, preparing 7 essays like its an entire course is not what this test was designed for, you have to talk with meaning and understanding and not heaving a leart off scribe.

Sawa

TiM_rEAPeR wrote:

You guys are making me so god dam mad, e-gad! learning off 5 6 essays is joke. I can draw pretty dam good and at the moment im sureto be sitting on a high C, history of art Is a cake and the english flows so im determined that im ONLY going to have to be learning newgrange and impressionism (maybe cubism/surrealism).
The appreciation is also hilarious, make a sculpture, re-design a cat.. this is only 35.5%, preparing 7 essays like its an entire course is not what this test was designed for, you have to talk with meaning and understanding and not heaving a leart off scribe.

Its 37% I thought, I'd say I got about a B2 in my practical so far and compared to my other subjects thats well good for me so I dont wanna ruin the chance of getting a good grade and a few badly needed points by not studying my ass off tomorrow for art history. im gonna "prepare" essays but all im gonna do is make little cards for each topic, not specific essays, it will take me a few hours. you'd be surprised what sticks in your head when you make little flash card things. its amazing!

xnightwishx

What do you do for art history when all u have done in class is practicals? I've got a one a4 page note on one qusetion per section...so basically I'm f*****

bounty_hunter

annettemc wrote:

our teacher never did ANY art history with us so i have to cram it all in tomorrow basically and thursday morning. where can i get information on visit to art gallery? anyone know???

Don't panic about the visit to the gallery question. If you're completely stuck, choose a relatively unknown local artist/make one up and invent an exhibition and pieces of work. Nobody will check that it really happened, or even that the artist actually exists. You can quite easily get away with making up this whole question.

You'll need to know a specific list of things that you should have a basic idea of before you go into the exam. You should try and get hold of some sample essays to see the basic structure of how it should go. I can't remember all the things, but I'll try to get back to you on it before the exam if nobody else does first. In the meantime, here's a list of roughly what you'll need to include:

- An introduction with a bit about the artist and their background, and maybe a tiny bit about the gallery
- The overall layout of the area within the gallery that the exhibition was held in/description of the main features (for example, bare stone walls, high ceilings, wooden ceiling beams, etc. You'll need to include a diagram of this)
- The lighting in the gallery
- How the work was displayed (eg. hung directly on the wall, on plinths, on the floor. Were there title tags displayed underneath, or were the titles displayed in a leaflet that was handed out?)
- Fairly in-depth descriptions (plus diagrams) of a few pieces you particularly liked
- A closing paragraph on your reaction to the exhibition

NB. The diagrams are very important. Make them up.

I've definitely missed a couple of things out here, but with this basic formula you really can't miss out on too many marks. As I said, I'll get back to this. This question really is easy marks, make the most of it.

Shrimp

3 Solid pages (not including drawings) is enough for each essay...

I think the whole idea of drawings pictures in the history test is an absolutely retarded idea, it is completely void, as they serve no purpose* and don't do the original any justice.

Don't say they help explain the drawing, if you are able to do it right and compose yourself, you shouldn't have a problem.

deisedolly

Shrimp wrote:

3 Solid pages (not including drawings) is enough for each essay

How would you write 3PAGES on anything?? For example if you're writing about newgrange there is only a certain amount you can write and it certainly wont add up to 3 pages even with drawings!

I only managed about 3/4 of a page to 1 page in the pres and I got on fairly well!
I can't believe I've left this till the night before AGAIN, some serious cramming to do tonight and tomorrow morning!!

captainzapp

awh jeez you guys are making me feel so much better! at least most of us are doomed together. seriously, some of you have never done art history in class? bizarre...
is stone age, iron age and manuscripts enough for the irish art section?
is miró, dalí, picasso, some impressionists and romantics enough for european art?
am i completely screwed in apreciation as missed the only apreciation class in visiting a gallery and have therefore done NOTHING for that section?

deisedolly

If the visit to a gallery doesnt come up in section III i am flucked!!

ThrownAway

Don't worry even if it doesn't come up there will be some kind of design question like ''design an outdoor room''.

I know I could waffle on for ages about that one and draw lots of diagrams.

deisedolly

ThrownAway wrote:

Don't worry even if it doesn't come up there will be some kind of design question like ''design an outdoor room''.

I know I could waffle on for ages about that one and draw lots of diagrams.

Yeah but is there not some sort of specific way of answering those type questions??
We never practised anything like that!

ThrownAway

I doubt it and even if that's the case they'll at least give me marks for creativity.

Shrimp

deisedolly wrote:

How would you write 3PAGES on anything?? For example if you're writing about newgrange there is only a certain amount you can write and it certainly wont add up to 3 pages even with drawings!

I only managed about 3/4 of a page to 1 page in the pres and I got on fairly well!
I can't believe I've left this till the night before AGAIN, some serious cramming to do tonight and tomorrow morning!!

good luck with that...

chairs

i cant believe anyone is stressing out about art history! for me it's just a nice, easy going last exam. Going for a B and i don't think Art history is difficult at all. I'm just gonna look at a couple of things for Irish Art and european art tonight for an hour or two. Then do one of the "design a poster" type questions on 3. :cool:

PrettyInPunk

Shrimp wrote:

good luck with that...

i was thinking the same... for a newgrange Q youd be writing 3 pages..maybve 4 with diagrams.

bounty_hunter

captainzapp wrote:

am i completely screwed in apreciation as missed the only apreciation class in visiting a gallery and have therefore done NOTHING for that section?

Read my post above.

blah blah blah

deisedolly wrote:

Yeah but is there not some sort of specific way of answering those type questions??
We never practised anything like that!

Yeah there is a specific way of answering those questions. I hate the museum question and i'm really crap at it. I asked my teacher about doing a different one, one of the architechture ones or something, but he couldnt find some book he had with what was needed for those questions. He told me to just do the museum question anyway because you can lose a lot of marks if you dont write what it is you're meant to know for those question.
So now i dunno what to do!

blah blah blah

oh and thanks for the tips bounty_hunter

deisedolly

Shrimp wrote:

good luck with that...

Thanks :rolleyes:

TiM_rEAPeR

I find that been decent enough at english really help with history of art, the trick to this exam is deception and passion with combined interest..

For example, always use outrageour adjectives, nice fluent drawn out sentences and words that convey you really understand what your talking about..

Dont just write, for example... Here are some facts about Newgrange: (this is only a vague example) "Newgrane is decorated with concentric circles and has has a decorated entrance stone..."

These two simlpe facts can be strung out and drawn + added with your own meaning to create "Throughout newgrange we see many examples of art and design, although all meaning has been lost through time it is speculated that their decorations served for astronomical and religious belief, some ever argue that an elaborate language is interwoven throughout this kidney shaped mound. On seeing the entrance stone during a class visit I was amzed to see just how well preserved the concentric spirals and lozenges were. It was clear that the triple spiral lozenges were of significant importance and it was highly regarded that the served as either a map of the surrounding landscape or a laungage of shapes and spirlas. blah blah blah" (dont hold me on the validity of this statement, I know its only 90% accurate + missing a few things)

You see how easy that was., now combine a diagram, personal oppinions and the few basic facs and your well on the way to writing 20+ pages.

Also, always give an introduction to any period your discussing, Refer to at least 2 artists in the choses period and at least 2 diagrams... colour, layout composition! anything! Deceive the examiner into thinking this kid knows what the hell hes talking about. Confidence is the key.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

TiM_rEAPeR wrote:

I find that been decent enough at english really help with history of art,

...unlike posting on boards?

bounty_hunter

Those are some very good points Tim_rEAPeR.

It sounds mad, but try to think of the stereotypical image of some mad artist with paintbrush in hand nattering on about their passion for somethingororother, and model your writing style on this.
Artistic flair when writing will be rewarded much more highly than simple statement of facts. That isn't to say you shouldn't be armed with the appropriate facts, but my point is that you can generally waffle your way towards gaining marks even if you're not 100% sure of what you're talking about

annettemc

Thanks A Million!!!thank You Thank You Thank You!

annettemc

OKAY!!!So what topics are most likely to come up???I know this has been asked before but theres no harm right?
I have done/planning to do:
Pre-Christian Ireland
Romanesque and Gothic
Bits here and there of Renaissance
Cezanne (someone said he might come up)
I still have to think about the Appreciation question but I have tomorrow morning. Do I need to do more Irish history eg contemporary artists or would that just be a waste of time considered I still have a loada stuff to learn?

smemon

lads, lads, lads :rolleyes: 3 simple questions, 3 things to look over: :cool:

1. newgrange
2. Leonardo di caprio
3. no study required, happy days

god, you guys are actually making art history sound complicated

deisedolly

Predicting newgrange eh smemon? I hope you're right!

smemon

deisedolly wrote:

Predicting newgrange eh smemon? I hope you're right!

your dam right i am deisedolly, wasnt up in 05, 04 or 03
it was on the pre's though - dunno if that means anything.

gud ole leonardo should be there too in some shape or some, wasnt up last year and he usually is.

dont forget lads and ladettes, we have the sheet with pictures on it so if the worst comes to the worst yee can bluff your way through it referring LOADS to the pictures and giving your take on them.

bottom line - Q3 is your lifesaver, you'll get 40/50 with common sense and 3 A4pages.

Q1 should be newgrange - i think we all know about that - a big old hill with a passage through it surrounded by rocks

Q2 ;hit or miss. da vinci should be there, if not gothic & romanesque usually turn up.

don't fret my comrades, this is easier than you think.

Bakharwaldog

bounty_hunter wrote:

It sounds mad, but try to think of the stereotypical image of some mad artist with paintbrush in hand nattering on about their passion for somethingororother, and model your writing style on this.
Artistic flair when writing will be rewarded much more highly than simple statement of facts. That isn't to say you shouldn't be armed with the appropriate facts, but my point is that you can generally waffle your way towards gaining marks even if you're not 100% sure of what you're talking about

Nice one, i actually think this might work....:)
so simple

Zeuz

smemon wrote:

1. newgrange
2. Leonardo di caprio
3. no study required, happy days

I would Say

1 - Newgrange
2 - Giotto

Glazun

K.. >_> so I think I'll just do Newgrange, Impressionists / Favism and the gallery.

I answered all these questions in my mocks and got a B1.. o_____O' I swear my teacher is too nice with marks or something.

bounty_hunter

c_k_m wrote:

Nice one, i actually think this might work....:)
so simple

Disclaimer: I hereby renounce all responsibility if you don't waffle properly and subsequently get a bad result

ThrownAway

Tomorow I'm studying

Newgrange
Da Vinci/ Massaccio
Romanesque and Gothic
Gallery question

I'm definitely going to fail this paper tomorow but will pass the subject as a whole.

smemon

ThrownAway wrote:

Tomorow I'm studying

Newgrange
Da Vinci/ Massaccio
Romanesque and Gothic
Gallery question

I'm definitely going to fail this paper tomorow but will pass the subject as a whole.

not if you study that lot. go in aiming for an A and not a pass.

ThrownAway

smemon wrote:

not if you study that lot. go in aiming for an A and not a pass.

I will get an A1 in the written paper tomorow
That better?

Inside I'm dying

I've about two hours to get it all covered ...
get up at nine
study till eleven
get ready
head off to school at 1

HoboJesus

smemon wrote:

your dam right i am deisedolly, wasnt up in 05, 04 or 03
it was on the pre's though - dunno if that means anything.

They usually try to predict what's coming up in the LC when making the pres, they probably just saw what you did. Here's hoping they're right =p

deisedolly

The gallery question has been up like 4years in a row, last time it didn't make an appearence was 2001, lets hope they'll give it to us!

Funkstard

Right...I've basically done all the facets of impressionism (surely I have the question covered), Da Vinci, and for Ireleand just Newngrange & neolithic tombs. I don't have a gallery question prepared, I did a planning of an exhibition....apart from that it's all coming from my head

chairs

i know some stuff on van gogh, new grange and impressionism. shud be grand. is it true you can just make up a "local" artist for the exhibition question? I'll either do that or one of those easy design a poster types

bounty_hunter

chairs wrote:

i know some stuff on van gogh, new grange and impressionism. shud be grand. is it true you can just make up a "local" artist for the exhibition question? I'll either do that or one of those easy design a poster types

Of course it is. Surely you mean is it true you can get away with it Yes, you can. As long as you make is plausable. With a bit of common sense you'll be fine.

chairs

haha yeah i suppose you're right! I'm all for getting away without knowing things so sounds good, excellent

Zeuz

bounty_hunter wrote:

Of course it is. Surely you mean is it true you can get away with it Yes, you can. As long as you make is plausable. With a bit of common sense you'll be fine.

Bounty Hunter is like a Motivational Life Saver

bounty_hunter

All hail me

I wanna know how you all got on today btw.