Honda Type-R's

DubNside

Anyone have advice/expierience with Honda Type-R's, i.e Civic's and Integra's?

I have been looking at 97 and 98's of both models, but the average price appears to be about €11,000! A lot for a car of that year. Although I mean of course i know they come with 170-210BHP and look great but, are they worth it?

In terms of 1. Insurance 2.Value 3. Resale Value 4.Reliabilty/Servicing?

Kimbot

My GF has a 96 ITR and its a beast of a car!!
You can pick up one second hand cheaper if you look around, but if going for an INtegra 98 is better, bigger wheels as standard, HID lights as standard, bigger brakes, better inlet manifold, and a few other features!!
I am servicing her car myself over the weekend!! They are not too bad to sort once you have an idea of what you are doing. Pop a post in www.manic-motorz.com cos alot of them on there have tyre R's or experience with type R's!!

kdevitt

DubNside wrote:

In terms of 1. Insurance 2.Value 3. Resale Value 4.Reliabilty/Servicing?

1 - Not worth it
2 - Not worth it
3 - Worth it
4 - Worth it

bspoke

Would this interest you at all

Honda civic 1996 with 1998 Civic type-r Engine. 102k.
Car was imported in sept 05 and I bought it straight away..... I had just bought a SiR and took this for a spin, deposited straight away lol

Going through midlife crises atm so want a convertable.

Spec

EK4
B16b type-r engine

193.1 BHP Proven twice
148.9 Lbs Torque Proven twice.

Full Spoon streetwise exhaust system,
Spoon 4-2-1 manifold (heatwrapped),
HKS induction kit with custom ram and turbine,
Spoon throttle body
NGK iridium plugs and NGK leads
Uprated oil pump B18c
Uprated fuel pump B18c
Apexi ECU and power fc commander,
4.9 final drive
Excedy racing clutch
Lighten flywheel
Oil pressure and oil temp guages
buddyclub coilovers
Volks rays TE37’s 15” lightweight wheels with brand new tyres
after market Steering wheel
Front and rear strut bars
EK9 front lights
Jdm rear lights
Clear side repeators
Spoon FRP bonnet
EK9 grill
type-r splitter rear
JDM splitter front
Bride bucket racing seat Driver side
Bucket seat in passinger.
Type r gear knob etc..
Clifford concept 650 with prox sensors and blackjax
Pioneer mep7700 head unit
Alpine front components and tweeters
Alpine Amp
Pioneer rear speakers.

Very very quick car and prob the torqueist hondas Ive even seen or drove.... Evo beater

Looking for 12,500euro.

I know the owner fairly well and the car has been very well looked after. All of the work since it arrived from Japan has been carried out by Tuning Factory (Honda gods) and it is generally regarded to be one of the finest examples of civics going at the moment

Kimbot

Have to agree with Bspoke here, that is one savage quick car!!

bspoke

Quick isnt the word. When that thing hits vtec it makes baby jesus cry

DubNside

Not sure yet at all about the Type-R's, i did have a VTi, Irish car which was pretty good.
Im just worried about getting a modified one through the NCT.

I was considering insuring through 123.ie, for the flat rate of €990.

bspoke

I think (but dont quote me on it yet) that this one is NCT'd. All the work has been professionally carried out - its not just some guy ordering everything off ebay and slapping it on himself. Most of the work was done in japan and everything else was done by Tuning Factory.

This thing is seriously quick and will embarrass many bigger engined cars. It also has the advantage that it is a type r engine in what may as well be a 1.4 body so you get that sleeper aspect but also it doesnt stand out to thieving scum.

Then again the clifford with proximity sensors and blackjack would see off 99% of the thieves out there

Kimbot

Modified cars can go through the NCT no bothers mate! If you have a de-cat just pop the cat back in!!
Pop over to manic-motors and take alook alot of people there have modified vtecs and have not had a bother getting it through the NCT!!

bspoke

Yeah while you are over on Manic look up a guy called Buzz. Thats his car and he will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about it.

DubNside

Thanks for the advise, i guess the only other worry is that if i had to re-sell a type-r you'd only get enthusiast willing to buy it.

Who would be the best to buy off? And dya reckon insurance companys such as 123.ie would not insure an import?

I know of someone who bought a used 1.5Vtec from Tuning factory and the engine blew on it after a couple of months!

bspoke

As with any sports car you will generaly only get enthuasists buying them. How many N/A 1.6 cars can you name that are capable of pushing 200 bhp though.

TF dont sell cars they only work on them so i cant understand that bit

Kimbot

Not really, alot of people would buy a type r for its looks mate!!

Depends, some come in from Japan in a bad way!! Its just luck of the draw!! As I said pop over to manic, there you will find stuff like tell tale signs of wear and what not!! Also there is a full list there of insurance companies that insure performance cars!!

Well TF are Vtec specialists!! It could have blown from many different things, oil too low, not maintained right! If you are going to TF they do a discount for manic members

Kimbot

bspoke wrote:

TF dont sell cars they only work on them so i cant understand that bit

It could have just had the stickers on the car!!

bspoke

Or the owner could have had TF do some work and then ran his engine into the ground

Kimbot

Exactly!! Like any car, if you want it to keep going then you have to maintain it right!!

And one important thing with a vtec engine is MAKE SURE THERE IS ENOUGH OIL IN IT I cannot stress that enough, no oil and the engine goes boom, vtec runs off OIL!!

DubNside

bspoke wrote:

TF dont sell cars they only work on them so i cant understand that bit

This would have been a few years back ,it was a standard 1.5sohc that they had done up and sold on, i also seen them trying to sell a Civic with a 1.8 integra engine!

Wonder how easy it is to upgrade the engine? from a 1.6 to 1.8...

Kimbot

Its pretty easy with honda's!! You can have a 1.6 head with a 1.8 bottom block and all 1.8 internal in the engine!!

Henry Ford III

How are the insurers on this car and all it's mods?

DubNside

Sounds good, wonder what the general cost would be?

Wibbs

The ITR is a little cracker of a car(have one myself). Bulletproof reliability, and great handling. It's a bit raw though as it's pretty much pure car without all the comforts you may be used to. If you can afford it, go for the 98 spec onwards, it's a better car. The pre 98's are much cheaper. As for buying, it's not the "luck of the draw". Insist on a japanese auction report as there are a lot of clocked dogs out there. I wouldn't buy without one tbh. That will tell you a lot about the car, or do as I did and bring one in yourself. It'll save you money(especially with the yen at the minute) and you'll know the car's history. There are many sites out there that will buy at auction on your behalf. VRT seems to be getting bigger every month with these though. Check first.

You could just get the standard 1.8 vtec integra as the power difference isn't too much, the insurance will be less and they have more comforts. Put it another way, you'll sooner or later get into trouble if you drive a type r to it's limits.

TheBazman

I drive a 350Z and my insurance is €2100 with St Pauls (thru' Glennons) I think St. Pauls will insure most things

Henry Ford III

They insure me.

unkel

That '96 Civic looks immaculate. No offence, but €12.5k for a 10 year old small family hatch is just plain silly imho. And it's white

Joeface

I agree Unkel.

Integra's are excellent , own one at the mo , not an R-Type ( wish i did but if i did i would be dead) Only thing I can see wrong with the Integra is the Back tends to be or feel very light and will catch u out at some stage in a bend. other that that I cant fault any thing .And for non Turbo charged engines OMG there un real.
Getting it straight form Import would prob be the way to go rather than buying second hand, No offence to car modders but Import parts are hard enough to get with out someone having modded the car before you. AND IF U GET ONE DONT BODY KIT IT , Integras dont need it they Look good enough all ready

also , Fully Comp insuranse €600 , For an Rtype was quoted €900.

Kimbot

unkel wrote:

That '96 Civic looks immaculate. No offence, but €12.5k for a 10 year old small family hatch is just plain silly imho. And it's white

Unkel, for €12.5k its well worth it, the spec sheet is higher than any other Civic around, It is one of the fastest in the country and is only a 1.6!!

unkel

jonny24ie wrote:

Unkel, for €12.5k its well worth it, the spec sheet is higher than any other Civic around, It is one of the fastest in the country and is only a 1.6!!

Well you're probably right saying it is worth it because someone will actually pay that price. Supply and demand I suppose. Still mad money imho

One could get a good M3 for similar money...

Kimbot

You could get a M3 but if you were into performance and wanted a Civic then this is the car for you!!

DubNside

unkel wrote:

One could get a good M3 for similar money...

M3 for 12.5k! maybe a 92 model!!?

DubNside

Just had a look around Carzone, I reckon I may go for a 1.6VTi Irish car, I have an old DC sports manifold, and ill probably get an Induction kit... anyone recommend where i can get a good kit from with the pipe?

bspoke

Joeface wrote:

Getting it straight form Import would prob be the way to go rather than buying second hand, No offence to car modders but Import parts are hard enough to get with out someone having modded the car before you.

Eh??? Parts are not difficult to get at all. There are tons of places selling top quality jap parts over here (tuning factory, couture auto) its juat a csae of actually reasearching the parts and how they affect the car rather than buying something cause its got a spoon or mugen sticker on it.